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Post by texan on Jan 24, 2018 18:27:26 GMT
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Post by pendragon on Jan 25, 2018 5:11:25 GMT
Ah... He's also mentioned having a balance of "new" and "experienced" in the backroom set-up. From the way he was talking, I took the "experience" to refer to someone who's knowledgeable about the Welsh set-up. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 25, 2018 16:32:30 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jan 25, 2018 16:36:44 GMT
not a surprise
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 25, 2018 17:53:22 GMT
I'd like to see Scholes brought in as tackling coach.
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 25, 2018 17:57:39 GMT
In a more pessimistic mode, I'm seriously worried about a 'Neville brothers at Seville' scenario developing: two know-it-alls with no experience coming in thinking that talking a good tactical game on the tellie translates into revolutionising football on the pitch, only to fail humiliatingly and miserably.
The FAW have rolled the dice on Giggs, and now Giggs is going to roll the dice on some other similarly inexperienced backroom staff. That's two much dice for my liking when you're talking our best squad ever.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 25, 2018 19:13:33 GMT
In a more pessimistic mode, I'm seriously worried about a 'Neville brothers at Seville' scenario developing: two know-it-alls with no experience coming in thinking that talking a good tactical game on the tellie translates into revolutionising football on the pitch, only to fail humiliatingly and miserably. The FAW have rolled the dice on Giggs, and now Giggs is going to roll the dice on some other similarly inexperienced backroom staff. That's two much dice for my liking when you're talking our best squad ever. I don't mind Scholes coming in as a coach, he was an amazing player, we need someone who's a career football coach leading it though. It was nowhere near my first choice but Giggs, Scholes and Osian with Osian leading the camps I'd be fine with. Giggs, Scholes and Butt and we chuck away any chance we got of qualifying. Obviously players fall into coaching after their careers but we need someone who's been everywhere, seen it all. We're getting a huge Man United bubble at Wales, Man United were world beaters, Wales unfortunately aren't. If they highlight Left back as a weakness what will they do? They can't spend £20 million to solve it. All they will know is what worked at Man United. Giggs has spoke about how he wants more competitive training sessions, what if it doesn't work? What if players get niggles from working too hard? What if the players get fatigued? He can't change it because he doesn't know any different, it was the Man United way and that's all he knows, all his coaches were ex Man United players who only know the Man United way. I fear it's a disaster waiting to happen and a disaster we can see coming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 19:22:31 GMT
In a more pessimistic mode, I'm seriously worried about a 'Neville brothers at Seville' scenario developing: two know-it-alls with no experience coming in thinking that talking a good tactical game on the tellie translates into revolutionising football on the pitch, only to fail humiliatingly and miserably. The FAW have rolled the dice on Giggs, and now Giggs is going to roll the dice on some other similarly inexperienced backroom staff. That's two much dice for my liking when you're talking our best squad ever. Fill and Gurry were at Valencia. Peter Lim’s friendship goes a long way. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 26, 2018 0:00:26 GMT
I think it's a follow on from 'Class of 92: A league of their own' TV Series. Class of 92: Out of their League.
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Post by pendragon on Feb 2, 2018 8:54:36 GMT
To be fair, I've read a few media reports and it looks to me as if the media has jumped on a chance remark to conclude that Giggs has been in talks with Scholes to join the Welsh set-up. He basically just said, "I speak to him all the time" and mentioned that they had watched a Salford game together during that weekend. Of course, that isn't to say that they haven't had talks about the matter... |
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Post by gwernybwch on Feb 2, 2018 18:44:44 GMT
To be fair, I've read a few media reports and it looks to me as if the media has jumped on a chance remark to conclude that Giggs has been in talks with Scholes to join the Welsh set-up. He basically just said, "I speak to him all the time" and mentioned that they had watched a Salford game together during that weekend. Of course, that isn't to say that they haven't had talks about the matter... Being as the first weekend after he was appointed he went to watch Salford play, I'd be severely p!ssed off if the main reason he went to Salford wasn't to have serious talks with Scholes, Butt etc about joining the coaching team. If that wasn't his primary reason, why on earth was he watching non-league football when the entire Welsh squad were playing somewhere over the weekend. Although nothing is really surprising me about Giggs so far; watches Salford FC and Newport County, gives an interview about England Women's football, has only "in one way or another" spoken to Bale....... |
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Post by insertname on Feb 3, 2018 1:36:09 GMT
To be fair, I've read a few media reports and it looks to me as if the media has jumped on a chance remark to conclude that Giggs has been in talks with Scholes to join the Welsh set-up. He basically just said, "I speak to him all the time" and mentioned that they had watched a Salford game together during that weekend. Of course, that isn't to say that they haven't had talks about the matter... Being as the first weekend after he was appointed he went to watch Salford play, I'd be severely p!ssed off if the main reason he went to Salford wasn't to have serious talks with Scholes, Butt etc about joining the coaching team. If that wasn't his primary reason, why on earth was he watching non-league football when the entire Welsh squad were playing somewhere over the weekend. Although nothing is really surprising me about Giggs so far; watches Salford FC and Newport County, gives an interview about England Women's football, has only "in one way or another" spoken to Bale....... Yep, you really hoped for the best but he is acting exactly as his media persona suggested he would. I feel totally disconnected from him, like we have picked a random Englishman who has no connection to Wales to manage us. It feels very odd. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Feb 3, 2018 11:20:50 GMT
Being as the first weekend after he was appointed he went to watch Salford play, I'd be severely p!ssed off if the main reason he went to Salford wasn't to have serious talks with Scholes, Butt etc about joining the coaching team. If that wasn't his primary reason, why on earth was he watching non-league football when the entire Welsh squad were playing somewhere over the weekend. Although nothing is really surprising me about Giggs so far; watches Salford FC and Newport County, gives an interview about England Women's football, has only "in one way or another" spoken to Bale....... Yep, you really hoped for the best but he is acting exactly as his media persona suggested he would. I feel totally disconnected from him, like we have picked a random Englishman who has no connection to Wales to manage us. It feels very odd. It does feel very strange, you'd have thought by now he'd have his backroom staff sorted out and ready to move forward with China preparations. There's been very little information from any sources since his appointment, don't think it bodes well for the future. He was a very controversial choice and this silence won't endear him to anyone. I'm having doubts now re: Osian's future involvement with the 1st team and concerned we'll end up with a host of ex ManU assistants. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Feb 3, 2018 11:30:29 GMT
Must agree I thought back room staff be sorted by now. Not as if he hasn't been planning it to the appointment.
And I assume he laid down his plans and staff in interviews for the job??
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Post by conwy10 on Feb 3, 2018 13:15:56 GMT
To be fair, I've read a few media reports and it looks to me as if the media has jumped on a chance remark to conclude that Giggs has been in talks with Scholes to join the Welsh set-up. He basically just said, "I speak to him all the time" and mentioned that they had watched a Salford game together during that weekend. Of course, that isn't to say that they haven't had talks about the matter... Being as the first weekend after he was appointed he went to watch Salford play, I'd be severely p!ssed off if the main reason he went to Salford wasn't to have serious talks with Scholes, Butt etc about joining the coaching team. If that wasn't his primary reason, why on earth was he watching non-league football when the entire Welsh squad were playing somewhere over the weekend. Although nothing is really surprising me about Giggs so far; watches Salford FC and Newport County, gives an interview about England Women's football, has only "in one way or another" spoken to Bale....... Is this really surprising anyone though? There was a core of vocal posters on here saying this months ago and got the automated response of "moaning about friendlies" "who do you want Guardiola?" He owns Salford City, it's like his biggest love at the minute, of course he'll be there at every opportunity. The one thing Giggs will never bring to the table is dedication, if it's between Wales and anything else Wales will come second. If Peter Lim wants him to do something for Salford City and the FAW want him to represent Wales at an event I can tell you right now which will be a priority. I'm in a similar position where I'm doing my own project and involved with clubs elsewhere, guess which one gets my attention 24/7 and which ones I do the minimum required for. If Giggs is at Wales for 4 years it's 4 years, Salford City is his life and legacy. Salford City is his love and his passion, the manager of Wales is just his job. |
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Post by pendragon on Feb 3, 2018 20:34:59 GMT
To be fair, I've read a few media reports and it looks to me as if the media has jumped on a chance remark to conclude that Giggs has been in talks with Scholes to join the Welsh set-up. He basically just said, "I speak to him all the time" and mentioned that they had watched a Salford game together during that weekend. Of course, that isn't to say that they haven't had talks about the matter... Being as the first weekend after he was appointed he went to watch Salford play, I'd be severely p!ssed off if the main reason he went to Salford wasn't to have serious talks with Scholes, Butt etc about joining the coaching team. If that wasn't his primary reason, why on earth was he watching non-league football when the entire Welsh squad were playing somewhere over the weekend. Although nothing is really surprising me about Giggs so far; watches Salford FC and Newport County, gives an interview about England Women's football, has only "in one way or another" spoken to Bale....... I see your point. I do think a resolution is required as to his backroom staff set-up as soon as possible. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 8, 2018 13:54:44 GMT
Really insightful radio interview with Osian here:
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05wn9xn
Touches on his background, coaching education, relationship with Speed, Euro success and future of the set up. Well worth a listen. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 23, 2018 19:07:28 GMT
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Post by conwy10 on Feb 23, 2018 20:18:54 GMT
“And sources close to Giggs say Roberts will be part of the coaching team after he convinced the Manchester United legend of his worth to the Wales cause.“
Happy Osian Roberts is staying involved, that quote is everything that’s going wrong with Welsh football at the moment though. Osian seems a humble person, if it was me and they asked me what I could bring to the set up I’d laugh and close the door on my way out.
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Post by yanto on Feb 24, 2018 10:15:40 GMT
“And sources close to Giggs say Roberts will be part of the coaching team after he convinced the Manchester United legend of his worth to the Wales cause.“ Happy Osian Roberts is staying involved, that quote is everything that’s going wrong with Welsh football at the moment though. Osian seems a humble person, if it was me and they asked me what I could bring to the set up I’d laugh and close the door on my way out. You've never had a job interview then? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 10:42:24 GMT
Ryan Giggs will appoint Chris Coleman's assistant manager Osian Roberts as part of his backroom staff. www.bbc.com/sport/football/43175213The new manager also hopes to appoint Dutchman Albert Stuivenberg and Tony Strudwick as a part of his overhaul. Strudwick would replace Wales' former conditioning coach, Dr Ryland Morgans. The Football Association of Wales' former performance psychologist, Dr Ian Mitchell, who was part of Chris Coleman's backroom staff during their Euro 2016 campaign, has joined England. The news of Roberts staying on will be happy news for Wales supporters. Roberts was one of the candidates interviewed to succeed Coleman. Roberts, the FAW's technical director, had previously told BBC Sport Wales that he was "in talks," with Giggs over a potential role. While Roberts' role is set to be confirmed, no agreement has yet been reached with Stuivenberg. Giggs and Stuivenberg formed part of Louis van Gaal's coaching team at Manchester United from 2014 to 2016. He is currently out of work having been sacked before Christmas as manager of Belgian First Division club Genk. Stuivenberg also had spells as youth coach at Feyenoord and Al Jazira Club and as manager of the Netherlands under-17 and under-21 teams. Strudwick and Giggs also have a relationship formed at Old Trafford as Strudwick, 43, was part of Sir Alex Ferguson's backroom team. |
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Post by conwy10 on Feb 24, 2018 19:20:11 GMT
“And sources close to Giggs say Roberts will be part of the coaching team after he convinced the Manchester United legend of his worth to the Wales cause.“ Happy Osian Roberts is staying involved, that quote is everything that’s going wrong with Welsh football at the moment though. Osian seems a humble person, if it was me and they asked me what I could bring to the set up I’d laugh and close the door on my way out. You've never had a job interview then? Yeah, just not for jobs I already have. If I’m going into a new set up obviously that’s understandable, they need to know, they don’t know me. If they bring in a new manager and he has the nerve to ask me what I can do I’d probably laugh and redirect him to someone else who can answer on my behalf and get on with what I’m doing. After years of service you shouldn’t have to sell yourself to anyone, either you’re good and they know it or you aren’t good enough and you walk away. We all know Osian’s good enough. |
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Post by yanto on Feb 25, 2018 19:14:40 GMT
You've never had a job interview then? Yeah, just not for jobs I already have. If I’m going into a new set up obviously that’s understandable, they need to know, they don’t know me. If they bring in a new manager and he has the nerve to ask me what I can do I’d probably laugh and redirect him to someone else who can answer on my behalf and get on with what I’m doing. After years of service you shouldn’t have to sell yourself to anyone, either you’re good and they know it or you aren’t good enough and you walk away. We all know Osian’s good enough. Tbh thats the kind of attitude which breeds complencey in any organisation, and if I worked with anyone who had an attitude like that they would not get a look in. And tbh I doubt very much Osian thinks like that or condones it. It is a new set up, giggs is not cookie, all change, everyone justifies theor position. Giggs does not know Osian other than knowing he worked with Cookie, not the same at all. Would you want players getting picked on the basis of what they have done previously? |
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Post by conwy10 on Feb 25, 2018 21:11:33 GMT
Yeah, just not for jobs I already have. If I’m going into a new set up obviously that’s understandable, they need to know, they don’t know me. If they bring in a new manager and he has the nerve to ask me what I can do I’d probably laugh and redirect him to someone else who can answer on my behalf and get on with what I’m doing. After years of service you shouldn’t have to sell yourself to anyone, either you’re good and they know it or you aren’t good enough and you walk away. We all know Osian’s good enough. Tbh thats the kind of attitude which breeds complencey in any organisation, and if I worked with anyone who had an attitude like that they would not get a look in. And tbh I doubt very much Osian thinks like that or condones it. It is a new set up, giggs is not cookie, all change, everyone justifies theor position. Giggs does not know Osian other than knowing he worked with Cookie, not the same at all. Would you want players getting picked on the basis of what they have done previously? Yeah I know Osian wouldn’t be like that, through all this all he’s getting is more and more respect from me with what he’s going through, he has the patience and understanding of a saint. So do you think it’s right to pull Osian in and say “so what is it that makes you qualified for this job?” If Giggs doesn’t know his achievements and what Osian Roberts has done in his career that’s shocking, this isn’t a 16 year old applying for job, this is a career professional and there’s no respect being showed his way. I would like players getting judged on performances for Wales over a selected period of time. If it was based on the last year probably Bale and Williams would be sweating but they’re huge players for us so will be picked based on what they’ve achieved. I appreciate that we’ll have different opinions, I just have so much respect for Osian Roberts and I see what’s happening as a slap in the face to him, he deserves better in my opinion. There isn’t a lot in Welsh football who isn’t just here to be on the gravy train but I think all he has on his agenda is to make Wales as strong as it can be. |
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Post by alarch on Feb 26, 2018 10:30:08 GMT
The issue here is establishing a functioning working relationship between Giggs and Osian. It isn't a matter of Osian proving his credentials - more that Giggs (or any new manager) needs to believe that they can work effectively together. Given that they've both applied for the same job it's obviously going to be uncomfortable at first - but hopefully Giggs can see the bigger picture here. Roberts' comments have been very diplomatic and reflect the sensitivity of the situation. As long as Roberts is a significant figure in the new setup under Giggs then I'll be reassured that we can have some degree of continuity from the previous two regimes.
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Post by alarch on Jun 18, 2018 11:41:05 GMT
Yet more kudos for the FAW coaching programme. A recent article in the Guardian about Mido has this quote from the ex-player: “I’ve changed my attitude in everything I’m doing and I’ve learned from my mistakes. I’ve worked on myself so much to become a good coach and now I’m very well educated. Marcel Desailly, who is working with us at BeIn Sports, convinced me to go to the Welsh coaching programme and said that it was the best thing for me to get a good education. And he wasn’t wrong.” www.theguardian.com/football/2018/jun/14/mido-doctor-said-continued-lifestyle-die-before-40 |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 23, 2019 7:35:04 GMT
Our Assistant Manager even spends his down time catching up with football coaches. We are truly blessed to have somebody that is so dedicated to Welsh football.  |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 23, 2019 15:15:04 GMT
Pity he didn't get the Wales job.
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Post by richierich333 on Jun 23, 2019 20:20:42 GMT
Pity he didn't get the Wales job. He was my choice |
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Post by cadno on Jun 23, 2019 21:55:28 GMT
Pity he didn't get the Wales job. He was my choice Me too. |
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