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Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2018 14:27:20 GMT
Symons was as well as Roberts
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Post by welshiron on Jan 15, 2018 14:29:35 GMT
My concern is a top academy will come in for Roberts and he will leave as he has no chance of promotion to first team boss. He may now feel it's time for him to cash in and who could blame him.
Could end up being a much bigger loss to welsh football than Coleman
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 15, 2018 14:44:01 GMT
Does Giggs have a day on the Technical Director role anyway?
My gut is telling me he won’t be kept on as assistant which would be a mistake and will see social media in meltdown. If there is hatred for Giggs now, wait to see what happens if he does not retain Osh
Giggs does though have to do things his own way, same as Coleman had to do.
I just hope Osian is a part of that plan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 20:58:14 GMT
I’m hearing Scholes will be his assistant.
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Post by garyspeedloyal on Jan 15, 2018 23:21:39 GMT
If we don't employ Welsh Backroom Staff then the Welsh Way and Coach Education programme will have been in vain, no way can we hire these key roles from outside Wales, even our Chief Exec, said of the manager, Welsh, definatley not English.
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Post by quetzal on Jan 15, 2018 23:28:03 GMT
We do get carried away in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon. What was true then(July 2015)is still true now. Yes Osh has done a great job. But when are we going to qualify at youth level?  |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 16, 2018 8:55:52 GMT
Part of me think Osian may decide not to stay on as assistant, and that choice will be his?
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 16, 2018 9:27:00 GMT
We do get carried away in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon. What was true then(July 2015)is still true now. Yes Osh has done a great job. But when are we going to qualify at youth level? Welsh clubs don't look out of place against English clubs at foundation level. Competing and winning matches, tournaments etc. Either this will be a long term master stroke for Osian or progressing Welsh youngsters hits a major wall at age 13/14, where English teams seem to pull away, that we can't seem to figure out. |
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Post by evans1282 on Jan 16, 2018 12:00:09 GMT
We do get carried away in Wales. Osian hasn't achieved anything on paper yet. None of the age groups have qualified for anything and the 24 u15 squad that won the Victory Shield with 14 English born players. Hardly youth development in Wales. I think and pray this will all change soon. What was true then(July 2015)is still true now. Yes Osh has done a great job. But when are we going to qualify at youth level? Unlike some other countries our model is providing players for the first team ,more like a club side.Our neighbours for example have win and performed well in tournaments lately,but how many if them will transition to full internationals.Our system works with a limited pool and actually develops players. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 17, 2018 16:06:31 GMT
As someone mentioned in another thread, the calibre of ex-players coming to Wales to do their coaching badges is all down to this man.
He needs backing to the hilt from Giggs and the FAW. Credit where its due.
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Post by cymroircarn on Jan 18, 2018 8:23:32 GMT
As of last night Giggs has not spoken to him yet.
Quote from Osh:
“My feeling is it’s important he gets whoever he wants by his side so he has the best chance to succeed in the job," said Roberts.
Fingers crossed he is in Giggs plans.
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2018 13:03:14 GMT
It looks pretty clear to me Giggs doesn't want to keep him on. Fair enough he couldn't have confirmed in the press conference that Osian would 100% continue before having the chance to speak to him, but he could have said he'd like Osian to remain in his role. He then hasn't spoken with Osian at all over the last couple of days and now Osian has made it clear that he is happy to continue. I guess it's gonna be Giggs and Scholes leading us into the qualifiers then...
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 18, 2018 20:44:58 GMT
As someone mentioned in another thread, the calibre of ex-players coming to Wales to do their coaching badges is all down to this man. He needs backing to the hilt from Giggs and the FAW. Credit where its due. How he has set it up for Wales is the work of a genius. Bring the greatest minds in football together under the Wales system and pass on that information to coaches and players for the next generation. The main problem with Osian Roberts is he just gets on with his job and people don't realise what he's doing. If he shouted about what he's done in the media like most do people would realise. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 20, 2018 22:56:00 GMT
I've just been to an evening with Osian Roberts in Llanrwst. From the sounds of it he's sending messages he won't continue in the Welsh set up. Hope I'm wrong. Spoke a lot about the Giggs appointment and the Euros.
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Post by benrhosgad on Jan 20, 2018 23:53:33 GMT
I've just been to an evening with Osian Roberts in Llanrwst. From the sounds of it he's sending messages he won't continue in the Welsh set up. Hope I'm wrong. Spoke a lot about the Giggs appointment and the Euros. why what did he say? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 0:42:02 GMT
I've just been to an evening with Osian Roberts in Llanrwst. From the sounds of it he's sending messages he won't continue in the Welsh set up. Hope I'm wrong. Spoke a lot about the Giggs appointment and the Euros. Please don't be true. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 21, 2018 11:00:44 GMT
You can’t drop that bombshell and not tell us more.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 12:51:19 GMT
I've just been to an evening with Osian Roberts in Llanrwst. From the sounds of it he's sending messages he won't continue in the Welsh set up. Hope I'm wrong. Spoke a lot about the Giggs appointment and the Euros. Elaborate, please! |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2018 13:21:21 GMT
Sorry it was a wild night, just coming to my senses now. I think everyone that was there agreed it was the vibe he was giving out. Notable things he said was he doesn't want to be involved just for the sake of it or to make the fans happy, it needs to be right for Wales, Giggs and himself, if not all 3 are met he'll walk away with no hard feelings. He won't accept a lesser role in the system, he needs to have equal or greater say in the team affairs than he did Under Coleman.
He felt he was best positioned for the job, made a few jokes on the matter that I don't think would be right to say as it wasn't malicious just joking with the audience.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2018 13:31:29 GMT
Said that a major change to the set up since Speed came in were players wanted to come in and play now, they focussed on getting the social aspect of Wales right and built it from there adding more to it. Some players didn't fit into that which needed to adapt or be told they weren't required. Said it's a seemless transition from Under 16's all the way to the national team, same atmosphere and players enjoy it.
Said a large focus on what Wales do is concentrated on getting the players ready for senior international football so we don't come close once every 15 years, we'll always be competing and to do that they need to keep adding young players to supplement the squad.
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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 21, 2018 15:08:39 GMT
Sounds like he could be putting it in Giggs and FAW minds that he wants that assist role, which I really hope he does. I haven't a problem with Scholes in a coaching role, but Os is the best at what he been doing.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2018 15:54:49 GMT
Sorry it was a wild night, just coming to my senses now. I think everyone that was there agreed it was the vibe he was giving out. Notable things he said was he doesn't want to be involved just for the sake of it or to make the fans happy, it needs to be right for Wales, Giggs and himself, if not all 3 are met he'll walk away with no hard feelings. He won't accept a lesser role in the system, he needs to have equal or greater say in the team affairs than he did Under Coleman. He felt he was best positioned for the job, made a few jokes on the matter that I don't think would be right to say as it wasn't malicious just joking with the audience. He felt he was best positioned for the managers job sorry, didn't make that clear. Got told on the Monday he was unsuccessful. He was apparently texting Bellamy back and forth all weekend seeing if they heard anything. Also another interesting part was Giggs was originally going to do his coaching education in Wales but he decided to do it in England as the dates for the course clashed with a Man United friendly (bought the whole room to laughter). He seemed a really down to earth person, didn't shy away from any question and answered a few he probably shouldn't have. If anyone wants to know more just let me know but I'm being wary of spamming the forum. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 21, 2018 16:02:38 GMT
Cheers Conwy. It’s been very quiet from the Wales camp since Giggs was announced as boss, I’m hoping that’s because they’re all sitting round figuring out how best to move forward.
Hint: LISTEN TO OSIAN
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2018 17:47:28 GMT
Cheers Conwy. It’s been very quiet from the Wales camp since Giggs was announced as boss, I’m hoping that’s because they’re all sitting round figuring out how best to move forward. Hint: LISTEN TO OSIAN No problem, it was a really good night. Yeah I completely agree, let him do his thing, sometimes a working thing doesn't need a revolution. I'm quite interested to see what comes of it. Obviously there was never going to be any breaking news revealed in Llanrwst but it was a good insight. Someone asked why Harry Wilson was not in the Wales squad as much as expected considering when he made his debut. It was hoped he would have kicked on more than he did and not breaking into the Liverpool team has affected his progress but there's still high hopes for him. He commented that Harry Wilson has been top scorer for Liverpool U21, been captain, played so many games, done everything he can but has played in the Liverpool first team less than Ben Woodburn. Similar for Ward he needs to be playing first team. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 18:52:38 GMT
There’s a similar vibe on Twitter from a Wales Away account. The owner of which was also in attendance.
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 21, 2018 21:19:41 GMT
There’s a similar vibe on Twitter from a Wales Away account. The owner of which was also in attendance. Just seen that now. The person interviewing him was someone off Welsh radio, he bluntly asked if he was going to China? Osian replied along the lines of 'I've never been, I'd love to go but if I don't I'll be watching the team and hoping they do well'. Nearly every direct question about his role with the national team he hinted he might not be there. I mean if he'd said "looking forward to the trip" no one would have second guessed it. Osian seems like someone who presents himself well and every word is carefully thought out, my feeling is he made sure he put that extra bit on to possibly foreshadow what's to come. Again hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:29:38 GMT
The main prerequisite to Giggs or anyone else getting the job should have been that Osian stays put, or gets a more influential role. Hopefully the FAW had the same priority but haven't let OR in on that as yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 10:08:42 GMT
Osian Roberts in Wales role talks with manager Ryan Giggs www.bbc.com/sport/football/42769849Osian Roberts says he is in ongoing talks with new Wales manager Ryan Giggs about being part of his backroom staff. Roberts was assistant manager under former boss Chris Coleman, who led Wales to the Euro 2016 semi-finals before failing to reach the 2018 World Cup in Russia. "Ryan and I have spoken," Roberts confirmed, adding there are "no sticking points" between them. But Roberts says Giggs must be confident in the appointments he makes. "We're continuing to have dialogue and we'll see what happens as we continue to discuss things," said Roberts, the Football Association of Wales technical director. "The important thing at this stage is that we both are clear about how we see things. Do we see it as the way forward for the national team? "The important thing is that Ryan has 100% commitment and trust from the staff that he has working for him. He must feel that as a manager. "So hopefully we'll be in a situation soon to make it clear that whichever way this works, then it's the best thing not only for Ryan, but for Welsh football." 'Vacancies within the set-up' Roberts is aware of reports linking Giggs' former Manchester United team-mates Paul Scholes, Nicky Butt and Mike Phelan with roles in the Wales set-up. "There's been plenty of rumours, but as far as I'm aware I think he's still in discussions with two or three potential members of staff," Roberts told BBC Radio Cymru's Post Cyntaf programme. "There's obviously vacancies within the current set-up. "The important thing is that he gets the dynamics of that group right because we need to hit the ground running going into the China Cup. "So it's important he takes his time and we get the right conclusion." Trust and '100% commitment to succeed' Roberts says he would not find it difficult to work for Giggs, having also applied to succeed his former boss Coleman. "I see it as a strength that someone has that aspiration and feels that they've got that contribution to make," said Roberts. "The important thing is that there's trust between those people involved. "There's a 100% commitment to succeed whoever's in whichever role." If Roberts is not part of Giggs' management team, he says the two must develop a good working bond. Roberts added: "If it doesn't work out that I continue with the team Ryan and I will have to have a great relationship regardless, because in my role as technical director, planning for the future, and Ryan's role as national team manager, planning for the here and now, that relationship and that co-operation and collaboration is key." |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 24, 2018 14:04:18 GMT
Well from that it sounds like he's committed to the Technical Director role at least and isn't going any where.
Anyone notice if Osian was at the draw with Giggs and Ian Gwyn Hughes? I didn't spot him.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Jan 24, 2018 14:15:12 GMT
Got to remember Osian's Technical role (FAW Trust-Full time job) is totally seperate to his assistant role (FAW - Part time) (Coleman/Symons/Roberts - will now be (Giggs/A N other/ A N other). They are 2 different jobs, but linked for obvious reasons. I would call it being released for 10 days or so to go with the senior squad.  , but its more than that of course. So Giggs' decision on his assistant(s) does not have a baring at all imo on his Technical role with the FAW Trust. also FAW delegates at the draw are: Ryan Giggs (Team Manager), Jonathan Ford (Chief Executive), David Griffiths (President), Ian Gwyn Hughes (Head of Public Affairs) and Mark Evans (Head of International affairs). www.dragonsoccer.co.uk/newsite/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1516779130&archive=&start_from=&ucat=5& |
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