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Post by quetzal on Aug 2, 2019 7:39:56 GMT
Think i’ll go on YouTube and watch Wales in the Euros.......again. Thanks for everything Osh
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Post by llyn on Aug 2, 2019 7:59:36 GMT
Being a devil's advocate, possibly more than his relationship with Giggs I'm sure the money Morocco are paying is a very big factor in Osian moving on. Probably sets him and his family up for life so he may have gone whatever. Just hope good appointments are made to replace him.
In respect of Giggs, if performances don't pick up and we don't qualify through the group then with a squad that should be good enoough, there won't be any reason not to go for someone else for the play offs which would be months away. But sadly, I'm sure the FAW will stick with Ryan whatever happens.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Aug 2, 2019 8:44:09 GMT
Diolch yn fawr Osh!
Really sad to see Osian leave, we do indeed owe him a massive "thank you". Good luck in Morocco, and hope to see you back one day - I'm convinced that we will.
That said, I do think that many in this thread are being overly negative. There are three points a-begging for Ryan and the lads against Azerbaijan, something to collect in Slovakia and then it's "game on" to beat the Croats in Cardiff, mid-October.
It's all do-able, guys! I'm not a BOJO fan by any stretch of the imagination, but a can-do spirit is no bad thing sometimes
Cymru am byth!
PS: Is it right that Carl Robinson, having left Vancouver Whitecaps, is available at present? Could he be an Osian replacement? Carl and Ryan did play together in the Toshack set-up, but I don't know how well they got on?
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 2, 2019 8:55:38 GMT
The FAW are rapidly losing any good will we had with them. The majority of fans didn't want Giggs and we were told to give him the benefit of the doubt, but we saw this crap coming a mile off and now it's happening. Giggs doesn't give a shit and spends most of his time working for another FA on the other side of the planet and who and where the fuck is Stuivenberg? The reality is that Giggs is way over his head and he has done nothing to show he gives a fuck, exactly like we predicted. Selfish character who only cares about his wants and needs. The only time we ever hear from him is a week or two before qualifiers. He never does any interviews here and is never in Wales. This is not how an international manager should behave and i'm not surprised Osian has gone off to Morocco. I expect other to follow Roberts out of there. No wonder Giggs' family have disowned him.
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Post by texan on Aug 2, 2019 9:02:16 GMT
I want to know why he's gone.
I've spoken to him on a few occasions over the years and am friends.with a number of people that are close to him. I know that his passion for Welsh football drives him.
I want to know why he'd leave the Welsh Tech Dir role only to take the exact same job in Morocco?! Not for the challenge surely...they job's nowhere near done here. Money perhaps? Never struck me as someone who would be influenced by that tho.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Aug 2, 2019 9:16:55 GMT
Ryan Giggs did turn up at the Urdd Eisteddfod in Cardiff not so long ago, and has visited other Welsh events this year. It's just not right to say that he never does interviews and is never in Wales.
It would be good, though, if RG personally volunteered a vote of thanks to OR, wishing him well etc (I should add that the brief "thank you" statement from the FAW on its website is a bit muted IMO, and not as profuse as it could be - perhaps there had been a disagreement about OR's rightful status and remuneration?)
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Post by zenith on Aug 2, 2019 9:41:48 GMT
Ryan Giggs did turn up at the Urdd Eisteddfod in Cardiff not so long ago, and has visited other Welsh events this year. It's just not right to say that he never does interviews and is never in Wales. It would be good, though, if RG personally volunteered a vote of thanks to OR, wishing him well etc (I should add that the brief "thank you" statement from the FAW on its website is a bit muted IMO, and not as profuse as it could be - perhaps there had been a disagreement about OR's rightful status and remuneration?) Not to be pedantic, but that was on the same day as the squad announcement for Croatia/Hungary being held at the Millennium Centre (the same venue). |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 2, 2019 10:22:53 GMT
Ryan Giggs did turn up at the Urdd Eisteddfod in Cardiff not so long ago, and has visited other Welsh events this year. It's just not right to say that he never does interviews and is never in Wales. It would be good, though, if RG personally volunteered a vote of thanks to OR, wishing him well etc (I should add that the brief "thank you" statement from the FAW on its website is a bit muted IMO, and not as profuse as it could be - perhaps there had been a disagreement about OR's rightful status and remuneration?) Not to be pedantic, but that was on the same day as the squad announcement for Croatia/Hungary being held at the Millennium Centre (the same venue). So he was only in Wales because he had to be. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 2, 2019 10:29:56 GMT
Yeah clutching at straws with those examples.
As someone said above, it would help if we can get some sort of statement from Giggs soon. Osian has been integral to our rise from ragtag fc (words of our illustrious manager) to a serious top 20 international outfit. Giggs does not appear to have a clue how to maintain that without him.
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 2, 2019 13:05:53 GMT
Where the fuck is Giggs? Wanking about in the footballing backwater of Vietnam, that's where. Giggs needs to fucking go, he isn't taking this job seriously and he only turns up in Wales during matches. We all saw this coming when it came to the FAW and Walesonline appointing the fucker. Carl Robinson was the man! and if not, Bellamy would be better!! Didn't Swansea turn Giggs down because his presentation was disappointing? Bellamy blew the FAW away apparently, but they didn't give him the job, pathetic! Still can't believe they gave Giggs the job ahead of Bellamy |
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Post by vader on Aug 2, 2019 14:11:02 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster.
Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth.
How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving?
Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG.
I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes.
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Post by bringbackelmo on Aug 2, 2019 14:46:31 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. Hi Ryan |
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Post by foxmulder on Aug 2, 2019 15:02:23 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. Hi Ryan. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 2, 2019 15:14:27 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. You've only to notice the number of anglo Welsh youngsters in the current Wales set up to see the effect Osian has had on them, he had a major role in recruiting/convincing many of them and brought them through the age group teams. |
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 2, 2019 17:09:53 GMT
He’s just released a statement that includes ‘I thought I was right for the main job but the FAW in their wisdom thought otherwise’
Ouch!
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Post by Toffeeman on Aug 2, 2019 17:19:00 GMT
Just read Osian's statement on his twitter page,lots of various elements of 'thank you' and 'being 'grateful' for his opportunities but can't see anything reference 'why' - as someone who was a year below him in his school year, put it down to his proffesionalism,I guess.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 2, 2019 17:50:46 GMT
Being a devil's advocate, possibly more than his relationship with Giggs I'm sure the money Morocco are paying is a very big factor in Osian moving on. Probably sets him and his family up for life so he may have gone whatever. Just hope good appointments are made to replace him. In respect of Giggs, if performances don't pick up and we don't qualify through the group then with a squad that should be good enoough, there won't be any reason not to go for someone else for the play offs which would be months away. But sadly, I'm sure the FAW will stick with Ryan whatever happens. My thoughts since the appointment have been that the FAW will give Giggs 4 years. I think Giggs will have said to them, we'd could qualify for Euro 2020 but there will be a transition phase and we may fall short. By the time WC qualifying comes around we'll have a talented squad with good experience who can have a real crack at getting us to a World Cup. I think they will also let Giggs have time to adjust to the job given it's his first management experience, as they did with Cookie where they gave him the benefit of the doubt and it really paid off. Also Osian may have just agreed to stay on to help Giggs adjust to the demands of the set up, with one eye on him departing should an opportunity come along. The reality is we'll never know, but now is time for us to adjust to life without Osian and stick to the same principles that have created so much success for us. We should be able to follow Osian's principles without Osian himself being there. |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 2, 2019 17:53:22 GMT
Ryan Giggs did turn up at the Urdd Eisteddfod in Cardiff not so long ago That was because we had a squad announcement. |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 2, 2019 17:55:13 GMT
Carl Robinson was the man! and if not, Bellamy would be better!! Didn't Swansea turn Giggs down because his presentation was disappointing? Bellamy blew the FAW away apparently, but they didn't give him the job, pathetic! Still can't believe they gave Giggs the job ahead of Bellamy Maybe cause Bellamy was under investigation by CCFC at the time? |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 2, 2019 18:06:47 GMT
Still can't believe they gave Giggs the job ahead of Bellamy Maybe cause Bellamy was under investigation by CCFC at the time? Wasn't it this year all that stuff happened with Cardiff and Bellamy? |
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Post by georgetm1 on Aug 2, 2019 18:17:47 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. I want him to be a success, but everything we were worried that would happen, is actually happening. The problem with Giggs is that seeing as he is our national team boss, why is he in Vietnam coaching kids and not kids in Wales? This to me shows that he doesn't give a shit and the fact that he is never here re-enforces it. If he didn't want to hang around in his own country and just swan off to Asia every 5 seconds then why did he take the job and why did the FAW give someone with such little experience so much leeway to mess us around? It's as if the FAW bent over backwards for him when it should have been the other way around. Bring back Coleman ffs, at least he gave a shit and we knew he gave a shit. Giggs is the complete antithesis of Coleman and his behaviour completely shows us this. If Giggs didn't treat this job like a holiday we would cut him more slack. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Aug 2, 2019 18:18:18 GMT
Good luck in your new job Mr Roberts you have certainly done a fantastic job and served Wales well.
But as one poster put it Ryan gets the blame again.
Give him a chance remember Coleman did not start off to well.
In Ryan we trust.
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Post by gwernybwch on Aug 2, 2019 18:52:36 GMT
Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. Quite possibly that some of us are blinded by their dislike of Giggs, but the backwards steps that Welsh international football have taken can be laid at his door - total lack of engagement with the fans, poor tactical and strategic decisions. Overall a lack of commitment to the role. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? We are sure about how great Osian was because we can remember what Welsh football was like before he arrived. Apart from Toshack putting in place a system to develop the international team, the FAW was a shambles. Now we have a coaching scheme which is world reknown, excellent facilities and achieved something few other small nations have achieved; a semi-final of a major tournament. His commitment isn't questioned because he has worked his nuts off for the last nine years, only to be upstarted by a guy whose main benefit is to increase promotional value for the FAW. Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. Not bizarre at all. If you follow Osian on social media, you will see him working tirelessly outside of the international break. You will see that Giggs does anything and everything to avoid being involved in Welsh football. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. The S4C documentary "Osian" is a good start for your education. |
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Post by quetzal on Aug 2, 2019 19:34:50 GMT
Giggs might feel the weight of the world is off his shoulders and he can now do it his way. I feel writing these words that i’m Clutching at straws. But trying to look for positives from this train wreckage
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 2, 2019 19:50:46 GMT
Giggs might feel the weight of the world is off his shoulders and he can now do it his way. I feel writing these words that i’m Clutching at straws. But trying to look for positives from this train wreckage Coleman always said he only started succeeding once he moved away from Speed's philosophy. Who knows, you could be right. Fingers crossed. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 2, 2019 20:17:31 GMT
He’s just released a statement that includes ‘I thought I was right for the main job but the FAW in their wisdom thought otherwise’ Ouch! Not very professional. I have a lot of sympathy for him but I thought he had more class than to backbite his former employer. He doesn’t need to say anything- the FAW will self destruct soon enough and it will make him look better that he left before it really went to shit. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 2, 2019 20:21:39 GMT
Hi, longtime lurker, first time poster. Don't want to get off on the wrong foot here but can't help but think a lot of fans are totally blinded by their dislike for Giggs. Any setback we suffer is laid at his door while anything positive he gets mild praise through gritted teeth. How is everyone so sure about how great Osian Roberts is/was? And why is his commitment not being called into question seeing as he's the one leaving? Comments about not hearing from Giggs except for around 2 weeks before a game? Bizarre to say the least. How much coverage or exposure does any international manager get when there are no fixtures? Next to zero, same as RG. I'd love to be educated on how you are all so sure about everything that goes on behind the scenes. I want him to be a success, but everything we were worried that would happen, is actually happening. The problem with Giggs is that seeing as he is our national team boss, why is he in Vietnam coaching kids and not kids in Wales? This to me shows that he doesn't give a shit and the fact that he is never here re-enforces it. If he didn't want to hang around in his own country and just swan off to Asia every 5 seconds then why did he take the job and why did the FAW give someone with such little experience so much leeway to mess us around? It's as if the FAW bent over backwards for him when it should have been the other way around. Bring back Coleman ffs, at least he gave a shit and we knew he gave a shit. Giggs is the complete antithesis of Coleman and his behaviour completely shows us this. If Giggs didn't treat this job like a holiday we would cut him more slack. You want Coleman back without Osian? Good luck with that! Total Poundland appointment. I’d rather we stopped the lazy token Welshman appointments, actually did some research and try and tempt someone with a good pedigree of qualifying small countries like ours. What’s Lars Lagerback up to these days? Scandinavia is a gold mine for managers like that. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 2, 2019 20:38:53 GMT
Still can't believe they gave Giggs the job ahead of Bellamy Maybe cause Bellamy was under investigation by CCFC at the time? That was over a year after Giggs became manager |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 3, 2019 9:55:53 GMT
Good luck in your new job Mr Roberts you have certainly done a fantastic job and served Wales well. But as one poster put it Ryan gets the blame again. Give him a chance remember Coleman did not start off to well. In Ryan we trust. You've a very trusting nature. 
I'm afraid I'll need a hell of a lot more convincing given the current situation.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 3, 2019 10:15:34 GMT
He is young and has only really known good times.
I worry Giggs could take us back to a Gould type era.
Just wish FAW had given Osian the job
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