Hennessey

[robin1864]

Aug 19, 2019 21:10:25 GMT gimli said:

Aug 19, 2019 19:54:41 GMT robin1864 said:

Looking toward the future, do we have any promising youngsters coming up? 

George Ratcliffe, 18 year old at Cardiff City, won the academy player of the year award last season. But that's not really saying much seeing as the academy hasn't produced a quality player since Rambo over 10 years ago...

Ratcliffe is on loan at Barry Town for the season, so I can't see him making any impact at international level for quite a while, if at all.

So yeah, it's looking quite bleak on the goalkeeper front unless some dual-qualified player pops up.

The way Danny Ward's career is going is really disappointing. He wasted far too many seasons in the Liverpool reserves. He's 26 now and only has 72 first team appearances in the league, with no prospect of making any more any time soon. Surely he must feel like he's wasting his career?

We've got Christian Dibble in goal for us, but I can guarantee he'll be dropped as soon as Lainton returns to full fitness because he's dropped too many clangers already, and at 25 years old there's no way he's ever going to play for Wales. 

I'd place more faith in Ratcliffe coming good if he played for Swansea, Cardiff's academy sounds pretty grim. 

Ward is getting paid a handsome amount to be a back-up, I doubt he'd care too much.

Very grim times ahead, it seems 

[erasedcitizen]

Do we even have anyone starting in goal in the football league? This is truly baffling.

[fiveattheback]

Aug 19, 2019 21:10:25 GMT gimli said:

Aug 19, 2019 19:54:41 GMT robin1864 said:

Looking toward the future, do we have any promising youngsters coming up? 

George Ratcliffe, 18 year old at Cardiff City, won the academy player of the year award last season. But that's not really saying much seeing as the academy hasn't produced a quality player since Rambo over 10 years ago...

Ratcliffe is on loan at Barry Town for the season, so I can't see him making any impact at international level for quite a while, if at all.

So yeah, it's looking quite bleak on the goalkeeper front unless some dual-qualified player pops up.

The way Danny Ward's career is going is really disappointing. He wasted far too many seasons in the Liverpool reserves. He's 26 now and only has 72 first team appearances in the league, with no prospect of making any more any time soon. Surely he must feel like he's wasting his career?

Cardiff produced Matondo, not their fault Man City poached him

[marsvolta]

The one thing in our favour is that to be fair to Hennessy, the lack of game time hasn’t effected him in the past. ( ignoring the obvious joke from those who don’t rate him saying that he is rubbish whether he plays regularly or not)

[gimli]

Aug 19, 2019 21:44:02 GMT fiveattheback said:

Aug 19, 2019 21:10:25 GMT gimli said:

George Ratcliffe, 18 year old at Cardiff City, won the academy player of the year award last season. But that's not really saying much seeing as the academy hasn't produced a quality player since Rambo over 10 years ago...

Ratcliffe is on loan at Barry Town for the season, so I can't see him making any impact at international level for quite a while, if at all.

So yeah, it's looking quite bleak on the goalkeeper front unless some dual-qualified player pops up.

The way Danny Ward's career is going is really disappointing. He wasted far too many seasons in the Liverpool reserves. He's 26 now and only has 72 first team appearances in the league, with no prospect of making any more any time soon. Surely he must feel like he's wasting his career?

Cardiff produced Matondo, not their fault Man City poached him

True. Not sure Warnock would have given him a chance yet though. I'm sure a couple of the u23/academy players have what it takes to make it at Championship level but they will never get a chance with Warnock at the helm. I'm secretly hoping for him to get sacked/retire within the next couple of months and have him replaced with a modern thinking manager that will give the likes of Coxe, Waite and Spence a chance.

[fiveattheback]

Aug 19, 2019 21:59:27 GMT gimli said:

Aug 19, 2019 21:44:02 GMT fiveattheback said:

Cardiff produced Matondo, not their fault Man City poached him

True. Not sure Warnock would have given him a chance yet though. I'm sure a couple of the u23/academy players have what it takes to make it at Championship level but they will never get a chance with Warnock at the helm. I'm secretly hoping for him to get sacked/retire within the next couple of months and have him replaced with a modern thinking manager that will give the likes of Coxe, Waite and Spence a chance.

He should have stepped down at the end of last season, hopefully the next manager will utilise the academy

The Under 18s won their division last season, so the talent is obviously there

[pendragon]

I agree, it is one of our biggest concerns right now although Hennessey tends to turn up (far more often than not) for Wales.

I still think he'd be better off moving in to a team of a lower calibre but where he plays regular first-team football than remain at Palace.

[CrackityJones]

Aug 19, 2019 21:42:02 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Do we even have anyone starting in goal in the football league? This is truly baffling.

Owen Evans (on loan from Wigan) is starting for Macclesfield in League 2.

Also Euro16 squad bard Owain Fôn Williams is back in Scotland playing for Hamilton and getting rave reviews.

[cogancoronation31]

Have seen OFW make some great saves for Hamilton Accies online - why not bring him back into the squad for Azer? As well as getting regular game time again, and being an "old head", his guitar playing and cool North Walian character might help boost morale within the squad?

[bale-droed]

I’d give Owain Fon Williams the jersey for two games . He fucking deserves it

[1gwaunview]

Can't see any of Hennessy,Ward or Maxwell playing many games this season unless there are injuries to their respective clubs No1s. Davies' best chance is if Butland moves abroad before Continental window closes or January window here.

At least OFW is currently playing, and playng well by all accounts. Why not give him a chance?

Ward seems quite happy with the occasional cup game and bench warming on big money.

Hennessy currently out of favour as previously stated, big risk going cold into this important International period.

Davies see above...

Maxwell, not International class and seems to be heading backwards in his career.

I think it's more than a slight concern, especially if we have an inexperienced defence.

[erasedcitizen]

Aug 20, 2019 8:05:10 GMT CrackityJones said:

Aug 19, 2019 21:42:02 GMT erasedcitizen said:

Do we even have anyone starting in goal in the football league? This is truly baffling.

Owen Evans (on loan from Wigan) is starting for Macclesfield in League 2.

Also Euro16 squad bard Owain Fôn Williams is back in Scotland playing for Hamilton and getting rave reviews.

I knew about OFW, but cheers. Unreal that Owen Evans is the highest up goalkeeper we have starting in the English system.

Glad Owain is doing well. He may well be due a call up then but I'd still start Hennessey.

[allezlesrouges]

Aug 20, 2019 11:10:41 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Can't see any of Hennessy,Ward or Maxwell playing many games this season unless there are injuries to their respective clubs No1s. Davies' best chance is if Butland moves abroad before Continental window closes or January window here.

At least OFW is currently playing, and playng well by all accounts. Why not give him a chance?

Ward seems quite happy with the occasional cup game and bench warming on big money.

Hennessy currently out of favour as previously stated, big risk going cold into this important International period.

Davies see above...

Maxwell, not International class and seems to be heading backwards in his career.

I think it's more than a slight concern, especially if we have an inexperienced defence.

For me this doesn't become a concern unless it continues into next season. Hennessey has been in and out of the Palace team before and it hasn't affected his form for us. I can't see Hennessey, Ward and Davies all being no.2s for more than 1 season. Only then I think we should start to worry.

[CrackityJones]

Agree that Hennessey's current lack of game time shouldn't be any more of an issue than it has in the recent past. He may well force his way back into the starting 11 soon, he has before.

[welshiron]

In Wayne I trust.

As for Danny Ward he is becoming the new Jason Brown

[insertname]

Aug 19, 2019 21:10:25 GMT gimli said:

Aug 19, 2019 19:54:41 GMT robin1864 said:

Looking toward the future, do we have any promising youngsters coming up? 

George Ratcliffe, 18 year old at Cardiff City, won the academy player of the year award last season. But that's not really saying much seeing as the academy hasn't produced a quality player since Rambo over 10 years ago...

Ratcliffe is on loan at Barry Town for the season, so I can't see him making any impact at international level for quite a while, if at all.

So yeah, it's looking quite bleak on the goalkeeper front unless some dual-qualified player pops up.

The way Danny Ward's career is going is really disappointing. He wasted far too many seasons in the Liverpool reserves. He's 26 now and only has 72 first team appearances in the league, with no prospect of making any more any time soon. Surely he must feel like he's wasting his career?

His bank balance says that Danny is quite happy, thank you.

[robin1864]

Aug 20, 2019 13:33:57 GMT CrackityJones said:

Agree that Hennessey's current lack of game time shouldn't be any more of an issue than it has in the recent past. He may well force his way back into the starting 11 soon, he has before.

Guaita has had 2 good showings so far, it's going to take an injury or resting for cup games to get Hennessey in front of him IMO, which isn't a great place to be.

[welshiron]

Maybe a move to Germany for Wayne 🤣

[cymruramdcfc]

Aug 21, 2019 10:58:50 GMT welshiron said:

Maybe a move to Germany for Wayne 🤣

[CrackityJones]

Played the full 90 tonight. Suppose that’s better than nothing ahead of next Friday’s game.

[melynwy]

Oct 14, 2019 12:25:49 GMT iot said:

Sept 10, 2019 9:23:16 GMT iot said:

- For all the stick Hennessey's received (and I was torn between starting him or Ward myself), he made an outstanding save in each match. Had Ward started, we may have come out of those games with 0 points. 

Sorry to go on about this, but I have to disagree.

The Croatia goal should have been a simple, unspectacular save. But yet again, Hennessey's poor footwork made the shot look much better than it was. Look at it again in slow-motion, and you'll see quite clearly that Hennessey's leading foot moves away from the ball as he launches his dive. This is astonishingly poor technique for a professionally trained goalkeeper. The standard diving technique is - for obvious reasons - to take a step towards the ball to launch your dive. Hennessey on the other hand is moving himself further from the ball, meaning he's nowhere near the ball at full stretch. See also Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarters. A good strike made to look great by Hennessey's poor technique.

Same poor technique was evident in the saves in the past two matches, especially the one against Slovakia. I'll concede he did get down quickly, but it was a fingertip save at full stretch even though the shot was actually quite central. Proper diving technique would have made him reach the ball much easier.

[conwy10]

Oct 14, 2019 19:37:54 GMT melynwy said:

Oct 14, 2019 12:25:49 GMT iot said:

- For all the stick Hennessey's received (and I was torn between starting him or Ward myself), he made an outstanding save in each match. Had Ward started, we may have come out of those games with 0 points. 

Sorry to go on about this, but I have to disagree.

The Croatia goal should have been a simple, unspectacular save. But yet again, Hennessey's poor footwork made the shot look much better than it was. Look at it again in slow-motion, and you'll see quite clearly that Hennessey's leading foot moves away from the ball as he launches his dive. This is astonishingly poor technique for a professionally trained goalkeeper. The standard diving technique is - for obvious reasons - to take a step towards the ball to launch your dive. Hennessey on the other hand is moving himself further from the ball, meaning he's nowhere near the ball at full stretch. See also Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarters. A good strike made to look great by Hennessey's poor technique.

Same poor technique was evident in the saves in the past two matches, especially the one against Slovakia. I'll concede he did get down quickly, but it was a fingertip save at full stretch even though the shot was actually quite central. Proper diving technique would have made him reach the ball much easier.

I might be missing it but I can’t see what you mean. From the look of it his movement is shuffling from the right to the left towards the centre of goal, which would probably be the best position for a goalkeeper with a shot from the centre of goal. Even if his footwork isn’t the best, no idea if it is, should we be analysing his footwork when the team have been torn to pieces?

[melynwy]

Oct 14, 2019 20:59:06 GMT conwy10 said:

Oct 14, 2019 19:37:54 GMT melynwy said:

Sorry to go on about this, but I have to disagree.

The Croatia goal should have been a simple, unspectacular save. But yet again, Hennessey's poor footwork made the shot look much better than it was. Look at it again in slow-motion, and you'll see quite clearly that Hennessey's leading foot moves away from the ball as he launches his dive. This is astonishingly poor technique for a professionally trained goalkeeper. The standard diving technique is - for obvious reasons - to take a step towards the ball to launch your dive. Hennessey on the other hand is moving himself further from the ball, meaning he's nowhere near the ball at full stretch. See also Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarters. A good strike made to look great by Hennessey's poor technique.

Same poor technique was evident in the saves in the past two matches, especially the one against Slovakia. I'll concede he did get down quickly, but it was a fingertip save at full stretch even though the shot was actually quite central. Proper diving technique would have made him reach the ball much easier.

I might be missing it but I can’t see what you mean. From the look of it his movement is shuffling from the right to the left towards the centre of goal, which would probably be the best position for a goalkeeper with a shot from the centre of goal. Even if his footwork isn’t the best, no idea if it is, should we be analysing his footwork when the team have been torn to pieces?

Is this the save or the goal? Its painfully clear with Croatia’s goal in slow-mo - Hennessey’s right foot goes to the left, giving him no momentum to leap from. It should certainly be analysed because it’s costing us goals.

I didn’t study the save so much, so you may have a point there.

[conwy10]

Oct 14, 2019 21:12:11 GMT melynwy said:

Oct 14, 2019 20:59:06 GMT conwy10 said:

I might be missing it but I can’t see what you mean. From the look of it his movement is shuffling from the right to the left towards the centre of goal, which would probably be the best position for a goalkeeper with a shot from the centre of goal. Even if his footwork isn’t the best, no idea if it is, should we be analysing his footwork when the team have been torn to pieces?

Is this the save or the goal? Its painfully clear with Croatia’s goal in slow-mo - Hennessey’s right foot goes to the left, giving him no momentum to leap from. It should certainly be analysed because it’s costing us goals.

I didn’t study the save so much, so you may have a point there.

Fair play to you if you spotted that though, should be one for the goalkeeping coaches. The goal I meant, good save afterwards though. I know he’s not one of the best in the world, I think he does a decent job, don’t know if Ward could do better.

[1gwaunview]

We don't have much choice but to play Wayne at present even if he is sub at Palace, on the whole I think he does a fair job for us.

Besides what's been mentioned about his footwork, I've noticed he seems very reluctant to come out for crosses as well, which given a man of his stature you'd think he'd be far more commanding of his area.

Ward has gone backwards since leaving Liverpool and Davies can't get in the Stoke team either.

[dai]

Are we really questioning Wayne after he kept us in both matches with two superb saves?

There are still some aspects which worry me - cross collecting being the main one, but he's earned his place even more in my eyes now.

[johnoster]

I'd hope that by the start of next season both Hennessey and Ward will be starters for teams.

Might be in the championship but it's better than them not playing at all.

[garynysmon]

Hennessey is number one. Ward is going to have to do something to dislodge him, which won't happen while he sits on Leicester's bench.
TBH its turned out to be a disastrous transfer for him hasn't it? He'd have played more games had he stayed at Liverpool!

[melynwy]

Oct 15, 2019 12:04:04 GMT dai said:

Are we really questioning Wayne after he kept us in both matches with two superb saves? .

I want to see them again but I’m not convinced they were great saves. They looked impressive because he was at full stretch and only got a fingertip to them... but I’m not sure he needed to be at full stretch (for the same reason as I stated above re. the goal)

Granted he got down quick for the Slovakia save, but something’s not right when you’re at full stretch for a shot that, from memory, was not really going to the corner.

No comment on the Croatia save yet as I want to see it again.

Conversely, I think he’s quite good in the air! I think his main asser is that he performs consistently regardless of the occasion. He can handle the big occasion to the best of his ability, and that has been a great asset for us.

[melynwy]

I've just had a look at both saves again. Fair play, the one v Croatia is a fine save.

The second half save against Slovakia, however, is a routine save made to look difficult by poor footwork. Same as the Croatia goal, Hennessey's leading foot seems to give way under him and move away from the ball. If he launched from his standing leg instead of collapsing it like this, it would have been far less of a stretch,