Hennessey

[fiveattheback]

Jan 26, 2023 15:48:38 GMT cogancoronation31 said:

No.

They're the same age, so they're both ageing.  One of them is ageing having last played for PSG and Real Mardrid, winning La Liga, Ligue 1 and multiple Champions Leagues.  The other hasn't been a regular since 2018 at Palace.

[rushy]

GK's are GK's, using their feet may be de rigeur these days but they are no better than traditional keepers, you didn't see farcical mistakes every week from playing out from the back like today , and players can't even take corners from in the D anymore, minds opened, more like opened goals.

[dai]

Forest apparently looking to sign 36 year old ex Madrid keeper Navas. So I'd imagine they don't trust Wayne to be temporary no1. Shame because he's good enough.

[iot]

Navas deal gone through, Hennessey deemed not good enough to be a second choice keeper. Think we need to move to Ward now and hope someone like like Benjamin, Eddie Beach, or Dan Barden breaks through in the next 2-3 years.

[robin1864]

*COUGH* MAXWELL *COUGH*

[allezlesrouges]

Wayne's choice is clear, career wind down, or join a Championship club and become a regular again. If he doesn't do the latter his place in the squad comes into question for me. Would prefer us to make Ward number 1, and get a new number 3 in for the future

[highbury06]

Jan 30, 2023 9:14:29 GMT dai said:

Forest apparently looking to sign 36 year old ex Madrid keeper Navas. So I'd imagine they don't trust Wayne to be temporary no1. Shame because he's good enough.

2 low shots conceded against MU costed him.

Will still start tomorrow, and then that could be it for his season

[highbury06]

While I think Wayne is still a better choice than Ward in the national team at the moment, the euro is in 2024, he would be 37 at that time with v little football played since 2019.
So yes, Ward shd be reinstated as no.1, though I doubt he would still starts for Lei next season (or maybe LEI relegates so he remains no1)

[cogancoronation31]

Wayne is still my number 1 for Wales. Even if Forest appearances will now be limited, he can still get a move in the summer on 12 month contract to a decent club who can keep him match-fit until 2024!

Regarding the arrival of Keylor Navas, his new colleague at Forest, I wondered out of curiosity whether they would have played against each other back in 2012 in the Gary Speed memorial match (which Costa Rica won, 1-0).

But on checking, it seems that Wayne was injured (Lewis Price stood in for him) - but Navas did play for CR.

[garynysmon]

Its a shame that Henderson's injury didn't happen a week or two later.

[fiveattheback]

Feb 2, 2023 14:59:51 GMT cogancoronation31 said:

Wayne is still my number 1 for Wales. Even if Forest appearances will now be limited, he can still get a move in the summer on 12 month contract to a decent club who can keep him match-fit until 2024!

Regarding the arrival of Keylor Navas, his new colleague at Forest, I wondered out of curiosity whether they would have played against each other back in 2012 in the Gary Speed memorial match (which Costa Rica won, 1-0).

But on checking, it seems that Wayne was injured (Lewis Price stood in for him) - but Navas did play for CR.

Hennessey's shown no appetite to do that at all in the last few years

Ward is playing regularly, he should get the number 1 shirt.

[garynysmon]

Yeah, beyond all doubt for me now. Hennessey's days are over, Danny Ward's spot is safe.

[highbury06]

Feb 2, 2023 15:36:22 GMT garynysmon said:

Its a shame that Henderson's injury didn't happen a week or two later.

and if he is out for less than a month, Navas wont be purchased… ironic

[highbury06]

Feb 2, 2023 17:29:52 GMT garynysmon said:

Yeah, beyond all doubt for me now. Hennessey's days are over, Danny Ward's spot is safe.

Im not sure if we can qualify for 2024 euros

[erasedcitizen]

Feb 5, 2023 14:57:11 GMT highbury06 said:

Feb 2, 2023 17:29:52 GMT garynysmon said:

Yeah, beyond all doubt for me now. Hennessey's days are over, Danny Ward's spot is safe.

Im not sure if we can qualify for 2024 euros

Because Hennessey isn't in goal?

[hooky]

Lets wake up. Hennessey is simply not good enough. He was very good in that Ukraine game but Cooper, a fellow Welshman, does not trust him as anymore than a back up. The best thing that could happen is Navas gets signed and he gets pushed out and hopefully gets a gig in the Championship. I guess his wage may be too high for that to happen though? If he stayed in goal then for all we know he may have ended up being the difference between Forest staying up or going down (in a bad way) and that would not be good for Welsh football would it?

Ward is getting a run thank goodness. At least there is a bit of faith in him at this moment and right now he is getting experience / game time playing against the best strikers in the Premier League and so that is as good as it could be for Wales.

[jimexotic]

Ward just needs to get some regular football experience under his belt, which he's getting now, it's not over for him, he's 29. Wayne, on the other hand, has been a sub for so long that that, combined with his age, makes him the less desirable of the two. Either way we need some of the kids coming through to establish themselves as number ones somewhere and then progress.

[allezlesrouges]

I'm still amazed we passed up the opportunity to start the form GK in the Premier League at the World Cup, and instead went for a backup GK who hadn't been playing, and who has been very quickly demoted to 3rd choice at his club just over a month later

[insertname]

We’d have been going home a lot sooner if we had!

Let’s be fair the only reason people are talking about Ward being Wales no. 1 is because he’s playing every week, that’s it. Ability wise he is below par and since the resumption of the premier league Leicester have gone back to conceding goals left right and centre and in order to win their attack has to work over time to cancel out the goals they give away, of which Ward is obviously a significant part. The Leicester forum have seen enough, his stats on long range shots are awful and there was also that stat before Faes joined where if you got a shot on target against Leicester it had a 50% chance of resulting in a goal - pathetic.

He’s not premier league quality and I’d argue not even top end championship quality. Without a prospect coming through that looks to have a bright future in the game I can see goalkeeper being a problem position for Wales going forward.

[erasedcitizen]

How could we have gone home from the world cup any sooner?

[insertname]

If we had lost to the US and Iran, which after seeing the goals that Ward conceded against England I would think there was a decent chance of!

[allezlesrouges]

Feb 6, 2023 2:41:57 GMT insertname said:

We’d have been going home a lot sooner if we had!

Let’s be fair the only reason people are talking about Ward being Wales no. 1 is because he’s playing every week, that’s it. Ability wise he is below par and since the resumption of the premier league Leicester have gone back to conceding goals left right and centre and in order to win their attack has to work over time to cancel out the goals they give away, of which Ward is obviously a significant part. The Leicester forum have seen enough, his stats on long range shots are awful and there was also that stat before Faes joined where if you got a shot on target against Leicester it had a 50% chance of resulting in a goal - pathetic.

He’s not premier league quality and I’d argue not even top end championship quality. Without a prospect coming through that looks to have a bright future in the game I can see goalkeeper being a problem position for Wales going forward.

Playing every week is vital for a goalkeeper, we've seen the negative impact not playing has had on Wayne. It doesn't really make sense to say "the only reason we're talking about him is because he meets a key metric for selection". It's a bit like saying "the only reason we're talking about Mullin is because he's scoring bucket loads of goals"

For me Ward's performances were poor initially, albeit Leicester were conceding a bucket load of high xG chances, but then he hit a good spell of form before the WC. Since then, Leicester have been conceding more, but notably Leicester opted to sign defenders this transfer window, rather than being in a new keeper. For me that tells me a lot about Wayne vs Hennessey. Leicester strengthened their defence and we're happy to keep Ward as no.1 - whereas Forest were faced with the prospect of Wayne being effective no.1 and decided to buy someone else instead

We've also seen Ward have a promotion season at Championship level, so I think saying he's not even decent Championship level is a bit incredulous

[llan123]

I think a lot of the recent contributors to this thread are forgetting Hennessey is 37 next year, his career at the top level is over and I also cant see any Championship clubs taking a punt on him. I think he will be more than happy to see out his career as third choice at Forest personally.

[robin1864]

Feb 5, 2023 18:32:02 GMT hooky said:

Lets wake up. Hennessey is simply not good enough. He was very good in that Ukraine game but Cooper, a fellow Welshman, does not trust him as anymore than a back up. The best thing that could happen is Navas gets signed and he gets pushed out and hopefully gets a gig in the Championship. I guess his wage may be too high for that to happen though? If he stayed in goal then for all we know he may have ended up being the difference between Forest staying up or going down (in a bad way) and that would not be good for Welsh football would it?

Ward is getting a run thank goodness. At least there is a bit of faith in him at this moment and right now he is getting experience / game time playing against the best strikers in the Premier League and so that is as good as it could be for Wales.

Scathing, we can't even use the anti-Welsh conspiracy to defend Wayne here.

2 PL teams in a row have seen him as a back-up option despite his performances for Wales, I think it's fair to say he's long lost his place at the top level and needs to look abroad or lower down the leagues. Ward, Maxwell & Davies should be our three keepers, and keep eyes on the likes of Barden, Pradic and Benjamin for the future.

[jimexotic]

Rangers, Celtic or Hearts

[fiveattheback]

Feb 6, 2023 13:23:28 GMT robin1864 said:

Feb 5, 2023 18:32:02 GMT hooky said:

Lets wake up. Hennessey is simply not good enough. He was very good in that Ukraine game but Cooper, a fellow Welshman, does not trust him as anymore than a back up. The best thing that could happen is Navas gets signed and he gets pushed out and hopefully gets a gig in the Championship. I guess his wage may be too high for that to happen though? If he stayed in goal then for all we know he may have ended up being the difference between Forest staying up or going down (in a bad way) and that would not be good for Welsh football would it?

Ward is getting a run thank goodness. At least there is a bit of faith in him at this moment and right now he is getting experience / game time playing against the best strikers in the Premier League and so that is as good as it could be for Wales.

Scathing, we can't even use the anti-Welsh conspiracy to defend Wayne here.

2 PL teams in a row have seen him as a back-up option despite his performances for Wales, I think it's fair to say he's long lost his place at the top level and needs to look abroad or lower down the leagues. Ward, Maxwell & Davies should be our three keepers, and keep eyes on the likes of Barden, Pradic and Benjamin for the future.

Mad that Maxwell is uncapped

[robin1864]

Feb 6, 2023 19:29:48 GMT fiveattheback said:

Feb 6, 2023 13:23:28 GMT robin1864 said:

Scathing, we can't even use the anti-Welsh conspiracy to defend Wayne here.

2 PL teams in a row have seen him as a back-up option despite his performances for Wales, I think it's fair to say he's long lost his place at the top level and needs to look abroad or lower down the leagues. Ward, Maxwell & Davies should be our three keepers, and keep eyes on the likes of Barden, Pradic and Benjamin for the future.

Mad that Maxwell is uncapped

A senior Welsh keeper who has done well for himself and a proven Championship player who's played more games in the last 5 years than Hennessey & Ward combined.

Bizarre that some wanted Tom King, an Englishman playing in League 2, ahead of him.

[allezlesrouges]

[surge]

Feb 6, 2023 23:14:27 GMT robin1864 said:

Feb 6, 2023 19:29:48 GMT fiveattheback said:

Mad that Maxwell is uncapped

A senior Welsh keeper who has done well for himself and a proven Championship player who's played more games in the last 5 years than Hennessey & Ward combined.

Bizarre that some wanted Tom King, an Englishman playing in League 2, ahead of him.

Owain Fon Williams, Adam Davies and Tom King have 5 caps between them. 

3rd choice keeper appears to be role for a young player who just wants foot in the door, or an older pro who has played lots of games so can offer experience without expecting to start, or a person who thinks they can get ahead of second choice keeper on way to starting role or someone who enjoys the experience without expecting to play. 

There were times where I'd have Chris Maxwell as second best keeper in Wales, at times last season where arguably he was best keeper in Wales, but maybe he inferred he'd be starting out as third choice and didn't want that. 

[captainhaddock]

any news on where hes going or is he retiring?