Hennessey

[jimexotic]

Let's not mess about anymore, it's over. Ward is approaching his prime years and finally playing regular top flight football for a fairly decent side and playing well too. Wayne, as good as he's been, has been a bench warmer for years and it's not changing now, he can continue to be in the squads but Ward should have the shirt now and hopefully for the next 6 years or so.

It was a stupid, stupid mistake from Wayne and a clear sign of rust, I don't like to point the finger but with 11 we probably just about hang on, beat England and go on to win the World Cup. Well maybe not but still, it was Sunday League stuff from our most experienced player and a real shame.

[melynwy]

I think he was right to come for the ball, but a complete misjudgement once he got there. I feel for him.

[aberbeeg]

If he’s playing regular football he makes that ball the fact he’s very ring rusty meant he got sent off. Small margins but ultimately the story of our big stars this tournament 

[fiveattheback]

Nov 29, 2022 12:25:59 GMT dai said:

Nov 29, 2022 12:10:30 GMT fiveattheback said:

I'm surprised how little's been made of it, it really is a shocker.  If he doesn't get sent off then we probably don't lose the game despite the performance and go into this game with at least some kind of chance of progression

Personally, I cannot blame Wayne that much for the 'howler'.  He did a few good saves previously in the match. It wasn't his fault that the rest of the team decided to give Iran free reign to attack at every given opportunity. If they didn't play quite so sh*te he wouldn't have had to make such a rash decision.

He didn't have to go for a karate kick regardless of how poorly the team played

[toshfan]

Nov 29, 2022 10:34:10 GMT melynwy said:

Let's dream for a moment that the improbable happens tonight, and that we go through and get a decent run. Does Hennessey reclaim his spot after the suspension if Ward is merely solid rather than outstanding? How long is the suspension? Does he walk back in for the quarter final?!

And if, as expected, we are out after tonight, is that it now for him as our first choice?

If he was sent off for Serious Foul Play rather than a DOGSO then it is a moot question as an SFP is usually a 2 game ban.

[jimexotic]

Another thing, in the unthinkable event that we get through Ward will have played well, no question, he'll deserve to stay in. Imagine if we got through, dropped Premier League regular Ward for Wayne and he does something stupid again which could be down to his rustiness? The Ukraine game was 6 months ago, he can't dine out on that forever, you're only as good as your last game does have some truth to it.

[insertname]

A wag on the Leicester forum pointed out that Ward must have the worst goals conceded to minutes on the pitch ratio of any keeper in World Cup history! 😂

[marsvolta]

Is it a three game ban? Or only one?

The way I looked at it was it was a straight red for the challenge as opposed to a professional foul.
I think the red gave the yellow because he didn’t think it was a clear goal scoring opportunity as the player was going away from goal, plus we had a player covering (Neco I think). The VAR then brought his attention to the fact that it was a more serious challenge.

[allezlesrouges]

We shouldn't have picked Wayne based on a good game 6 months ago. I think it has really shot us in the foot. Like you say I think we do get a point, and if we did beat England tonight we would potentially knock them out with a win

The most form GK in the PL for me was a no brainer to start with

[conwy10]

Nov 29, 2022 16:10:39 GMT allezlesrouges said:

We shouldn't have picked Wayne based on a good game 6 months ago. I think it has really shot us in the foot. Like you say I think we do get a point, and if we did beat England tonight we would potentially knock them out with a win

The most form GK in the PL for me was a no brainer to start with

Whilst yes it did cost us against Iran the goalkeeping situation was the one I was least concerned with.

In Hennesseys defence too the midfield/defence were asking for trouble. They were incredibly high and couldn't live with the Iran strikers. They'd started to hammer us and I'm guessing he was questioning if he could help them out by clearing in behind.

[welshrover]

The one thing that also has'nt been mentioned is that the Iran forward was offside so it should have been stopped before it got to that point.

They briefly showed the footage but never dwelt on it.

[insertname]

Nov 29, 2022 16:10:39 GMT allezlesrouges said:

We shouldn't have picked Wayne based on a good game 6 months ago. I think it has really shot us in the foot. Like you say I think we do get a point, and if we did beat England tonight we would potentially knock them out with a win

The most form GK in the PL for me was a no brainer to start with

Would Ward have saved that Iranian shot that required every mm of Hennesseys reach to save? I wouldn’t have put money on it

[highbury06]

What I have to say is that Hennessey is still very much a better GK then Ward based on this WC.
Hennessey made 2 spectacular saves again Iran including one similar to the first goal Ward conceded.
Yes he received a RC but he took one for the team. If he didnt gamble we would have been 0-1 10 mins before they scored.

[highbury06]

Nov 29, 2022 10:34:10 GMT melynwy said:

Let's dream for a moment that the improbable happens tonight, and that we go through and get a decent run. Does Hennessey reclaim his spot after the suspension if Ward is merely solid rather than outstanding? How long is the suspension? Does he walk back in for the quarter final?!

And if, as expected, we are out after tonight, is that it now for him as our first choice?

Ward was shit

[insertname]

Some posts in here haven’t aged well

[allezlesrouges]

Nov 29, 2022 23:44:08 GMT highbury06 said:

Nov 29, 2022 17:54:28 GMT insertname said:

Would Ward have saved that Iranian shot that required every mm of Hennesseys reach to save? I wouldn’t have put money on it

What I have to say is that Hennessey is still very much a better GK then Ward based on this WC.
Hennessey made 2 spectacular saves again Iran including one similar to the first goal Ward conceded.
Yes he received a RC but he took one for the team. If he didnt gamble we would have been 0-1 10 mins before they scored.

Hennessey didn't take one for the team, he came out for a ball he misjudged and didn't need to come out for, then kneed the player in the head instead of kicking the ball because he was rusty. All he had to do was not clatter him and Neco was covering. Yes he made a good save before that, no doubts, but goalkeeper is more than flashy saves

We have to put faith in Ward as the no.1 now, especially now he's a PL regular. We're shooting ourselves in the foot if we don't

[insertname]

We do but that’s damning with faint praise- it’s more the case that we don’t have anyone else who is credible if we don’t give Ward a chance rather than Ward making a great case that he is number one. If we had a half decent alternative who was under 35 Ward’s place as number one would be under serious threat.

That free kick man, I just can’t get over his positioning. It’s so bad

[allezlesrouges]

I agree, I just think with Ward no.1 at his clubs we need to back him as no.1 - it doesn't say much about our confidence in Ward when we're picking an inactive Hennessey over him, and I do wonder whether that plays a part. He's clearly looked better at Leicester now his confidence has grown, so I'm willing to throw our lot in with him, but hopefully someone does emerge who can challenge him, as if Ward gets injured you feel we would be in trouble

[insertname]

Look at the goals tonight - we’re in trouble if we stick with Ward too. I’m probably extra bitter because a few months back I got drunk and made a stupid bet with a mate that Wales wouldn’t lose to England so seeing that first goal go in in the way it did hurts extra bad. Even the English comms, rather than big up the England player which they usually need no excuse to, were pointing at the keeping. As for the third, well….

We’re in a mess all over the pitch and goalKeeper is very much part of that equation. Davies is just a third keeper so who else is there? Dan Barden I guess

[highbury06]

pretty certain we will be back to league C calibre, behind slovakia, ukraine, austria, czech, scotland, ireland etc.
So whoever starts doesnt make a difference.
but yeah, wayne, gareth, rambo, joe, they should all retire for good for the youngsters to come in.

[bale-droed]

No they shouldn’t retire yet. That’s madness. Germany 2024 I think none of that outfield will be over 34. Imagine if Croatia had gotten rid of 37 year old Modrić at 33 or if Macedonia got rid of Pandev, he was 37 at his only major tournament. We need a reality check. Gunter and J Williams should go based on they ain’t good enough Ramsey , Allen , Bale, Wayne by the start of qualifying will be definitely in our squad of best options. We took Bale off Johnson Johnson who I love did nothing

[melynwy]

Nov 29, 2022 23:44:08 GMT highbury06 said:

Nov 29, 2022 17:54:28 GMT insertname said:

Would Ward have saved that Iranian shot that required every mm of Hennesseys reach to save? I wouldn’t have put money on it

What I have to say is that Hennessey is still very much a better GK then Ward based on this WC.
Hennessey made 2 spectacular saves again Iran including one similar to the first goal Ward conceded.
Yes he received a RC but he took one for the team. If he didnt gamble we would have been 0-1 10 mins before they scored.

He did not take one for the team, he made a massive misjudgement that effectively ended our Worlc Cup campaign.

He was arguably correct in the decision to come off his line, but made a huge mistake in trying to deal with it. He would have been equally correct in deciding to stay back seeing as that kind of play is not a regular part of his game.

As I've said for year, neither him nor Ward are very good, but are still the best we have. Hennessey is certainly more consistent, which mich get him the nod for a while yet, but in terms of ability there's not much between them.

Both seem to have poor positioning coupled with a very ineffective diving technique, which when combined means they're pretty hopeless with any decently placed long range shot. Neither ever takes a step towards the ball before diving, and they seem to move their propelling leg away from the bell when diving, losing reach. They never seem to really propel themselves towards the ball. The result is that they're always at full stretch and it makes the shot look better. Being taller, it means Hennessey has more chance of reaching the ball, but in reality a lot of the goals that look to be 'unstoppable' against them would be fairly routine for better keeper.
Yesterday's free kick was an example - even if we ignore Ward's positioning error, the dive attempt itself was very weak and made the shot look better. Hennessey has been the same with many long range shots.

[allezlesrouges]

Nov 30, 2022 0:55:56 GMT insertname said:

Nov 30, 2022 0:40:00 GMT allezlesrouges said:

I agree, I just think with Ward no.1 at his clubs we need to back him as no.1 - it doesn't say much about our confidence in Ward when we're picking an inactive Hennessey over him, and I do wonder whether that plays a part. He's clearly looked better at Leicester now his confidence has grown, so I'm willing to throw our lot in with him, but hopefully someone does emerge who can challenge him, as if Ward gets injured you feel we would be in trouble

Look at the goals tonight - we’re in trouble if we stick with Ward too. I’m probably extra bitter because a few months back I got drunk and made a stupid bet with a mate that Wales wouldn’t lose to England so seeing that first goal go in in the way it did hurts extra bad. Even the English comms, rather than big up the England player which they usually need no excuse to, were pointing at the keeping. As for the third, well….

We’re in a mess all over the pitch and goalKeeper is very much part of that equation. Davies is just a third keeper so who else is there? Dan Barden I guess

He was poor, but more me it's more a question of getting him comfortable in the shirt. He's come into that game as a 2nd choice, I think and hope that if he is the man at club level and the man for us that we see an improvement

[morg]

Is there any more news on this kid?

m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/international-soccer/wales-keeping-tabs-on-cork-citys-everton-target-david-harrington-42056575.html

[scarfer]

although Gk's tend to have longer careers than outfield players (both domestically and internationally), I can see him retiring from international football very soon.

[ontheroadagain2]

Hennessey in goal for Forest at Man U tonight.

[conwy10]

Nov 30, 2022 10:42:25 GMT scarfer said:

although Gk's tend to have longer careers than outfield players (both domestically and internationally), I can see him retiring from international football very soon.

I don't see why he'd need to. It's not like it's affecting his game time at club level. Might as well go alomg with Wales even if its the sub keeper. I'd rather him, Ward and a young keeper to Ward, young keeper and King or Davies.

[rushy]

Talking of keepers , anybody see the farcical goal Swansea conceded against Reading, yet another example of goalies being forced to play football from the back and reason why they lost the game.

[dai]

I know its soaking out there but he just sort of fluffed what looked like a straightforward save.

[erasedcitizen]

Oh dear Wayne.