Hennessey

[melynwy]

nstead of going on about in different threads, I'll try and show what I mean about Hennessey here.


Throughout his career, he has conceded a large number of goals, yet rarely looks at fault and rarely makes a howler. I've said it time and time again that has a knack of making average shots look great, and this is because he can't get near them due to poor footwork.

It was clearly evident in the goal Croatia scored against us, and it was also evident in the save he made in the second half against Slovakia - look at it again and you'll see that its a tame shot and fairly central to the goal, yet Hennessey is at full stretch despite starting his dive only a couple of feet away. I'll admit, he got down quick, but he made the save look difficult (and impressive) by being at full stretch when he shouldn't have been.

The first half save against Croatia was, fair play, a good one.

Back to the Croatia goal. Here is Hennessey just as the shot is being fired:



As you can see, his right foot is pretty much in line with the penalty spot. Decent goalkeeping technique would see Hennessey pushing off this right foot in order to dive to the right. Ideally, he would take a short step to the right before diving in order to cover more ground.

Here, however, is Hennessey starting his dive:




His right foot has somehow moved to the left! It totally to the contrary of how a goalkeeper should dive - he's losing ground before he even starts diving! It's almost as if his right foot collapses underneath him and that he's launching from his left foot. Look at the goal again in slow-motion and watch his feet, and you'll see that it just doesn't look right. Had he launched himself from his right foot in the position he was in in the first picture, it would have been an easy save. As it is, he didn't even reach the ball.

[iot]

Oct 15, 2019 13:58:23 GMT melynwy said:

nstead of going on about in different threads, I'll try and show what I mean about Hennessey here.


Throughout his career, he has conceded a large number of goals, yet rarely looks at fault and rarely makes a howler. I've said it time and time again that has a knack of making average shots look great, and this is because he can't get near them due to poor footwork.

It was clearly evident in the goal Croatia scored against us, and it was also evident in the save he made in the second half against Slovakia - look at it again and you'll see that its a tame shot and fairly central to the goal, yet Hennessey is at full stretch despite starting his dive only a couple of feet away. I'll admit, he got down quick, but he made the save look difficult (and impressive) by being at full stretch when he shouldn't have been.

The first half save against Croatia was, fair play, a good one.

Back to the Croatia goal. Here is Hennessey just as the shot is being fired:



As you can see, his right foot is pretty much in line with the penalty spot. Decent goalkeeping technique would see Hennessey pushing off this right foot in order to dive to the right. Ideally, he would take a short step to the right before diving in order to cover more ground.

Here, however, is Hennessey starting his dive:




His right foot has somehow moved to the left! It totally to the contrary of how a goalkeeper should dive - he's losing ground before he even starts diving! It's almost as if his right foot collapses underneath him and that he's launching from his left foot. Look at the goal again in slow-motion and watch his feet, and you'll see that it just doesn't look right. Had he launched himself from his right foot in the position he was in in the first picture, it would have been an easy save. As it is, he didn't even reach the ball.

Hey - don't take this the wrong way, but are you making these comments from an informed position? i.e. have you any experience playing in goal / coaching etc. to know the intricacies in goalkeeping technique? I only ask because I have no idea myself, so whilst I follow the points you're making, it's impossible for me to tell whether they are valid or whether they're quite typical of a goalkeeper's technique. I would have to compare with other goalkeepers to see whether this truly is a flaw in his technique

[melynwy]

Oct 15, 2019 14:42:08 GMT iot said:

Hey - don't take this the wrong way, but are you making these comments from an informed position? i.e. have you any experience playing in goal / coaching etc. to know the intricacies in goalkeeping technique? I only ask because I have no idea myself, so whilst I follow the points you're making, it's impossible for me to tell whether they are valid or whether they're quite typical of a goalkeeper's technique. I would have to compare with other goalkeepers to see whether this truly is a flaw in his technique

Very fair question, and I myself would like to have a pro keeper’s opinion on this. I’d be quite happy to be explaned to why I’m wrong!

I’m not making these comments from an informed position, other than having played in goal a bit when I was younger. But this goes against everything I was ever taught about diving, and also against any intuition about reaching a point in the air as quickly as possible.

[texan]

If the ball is skimming the ground away from you at pace and your power for the spring came from the leg closest to the ball, your body would arc naturally in the air and you may not get down in time. In order to get down to ground level the closest leg needs to collapse, therefore its much harder to use it to generate power for the spring/leap across. As a result, under those circumstances keepers generally use the trailing leg to generate power as the lead leg is collapsing to get across and down in the shortest time.

This is usually the technique employed by big keepers like Khan, Buffon, Schmeichel etc over the years, the exception to the rule is usually smaller keepers. Wayne definitely ain't one of them!

Having said that, what Wayne often does is shimmy that trailing leg slightly away when planting it for the leap costing him a good few inches of reach. Being kind, that shimmy may be a purposeful attempt to force the shooter to fire in the direction Wayne wants him to go. I have seen other keepers do it on occasion to great effect but he does it bloody often.

Then again...it may just be an annoying habit he has!

[dai]

I think Wayne's size might come into play a bit. He's a big lad, and not the leanest so his reaction time movement will be slower than say a De Gea or Neuer for example.

I can't really blame him for the goal when three Croatians were allowed to pass so freely at the edge of the box to get into a goal scoring position.

[cadno]

Oct 15, 2019 16:01:46 GMT dai said:

I think Wayne's size might come into play a bit. He's a big lad, and not the leanest so his reaction time movement will be slower than say a De Gea or Neuer for example.

I can't really blame him for the goal when three Croatians were allowed to pass so freely at the edge of the box to get into a goal scoring position.

As they pointed out on motd wales, both goals conceded in this camp were essentially because of poor positioning from our midfielders.

[johnoster]

Ethan has a centre backs instinct to get back behind the ball when the opposition break, rather than sticking with his man.

Worked to block the first shot against Slovakia.

[manulike]

WAYNE'S WORLD ;-)))

Have fun v City

[underwood]

A welcome 90 mins & hopefully holds his place.

[pendragon]

Oct 19, 2019 15:34:50 GMT manulike said:

WAYNE'S WORLD ;-)))

Love that reference

Hopefully, it should catch on!

[iot]

Bbc updates suggest he had a brilliant start to the match, making 5 saves and a couple of them really good ones. Conceded 2 towards the end of the half, no idea whether he was at fault at all

[iot]

Bbc updates raving about his second half performance, describing him as motm. Wales'no.1!

[underwood]

This is the best news we’ve had in ages.
Hopefully Poch will see the light & realise he needs Ben in his side too. Or the new Spurs manager will at least....

[holmesdaleultra]

Just back from the match.

Wayne could have done more about the goals i thought but otherwise pulled off a fair few great saves.

[1gwaunview]

In the Daily Express team of the weekend with 8.5 marking . Well done Wayne. Wonder if he'll keep his place?

According to the paper made 21 saves against Man City.

[allezlesrouges]

I'm now convinced big Wayne will beat Gunter to 100. Although if Gunter starts playing for Reading again it could get interesting.

[manulike]

Had a very solid game and produced three spectacular saves to give Palace a deserved draw.

Two of those were very low to his right - which was supposed to be his weak area ;-)

The two actual goals and the third that was chalked off, were more down to chaotic defending off corners.

[jbt95]

Great to see Wayne playing.

I notice McCarthy is the other GK on the bench, is Guaita injured?

[iot]

Oct 27, 2019 18:30:52 GMT manulike said:

Had a very solid game and produced three spectacular saves to give Palace a deserved draw.

Two of those were very low to his right - which was supposed to be his weak area ;-)

The two actual goals and the third that was chalked off, were more down to chaotic defending off corners.

Hmmm, from the reaction on twitter, that review seems to be at odds with what Palace fans thought. I looked at twitter half time, and his name was trending - for all the wrong reasons. Then I saw a video of the first goal where he flapped at the cross badly, took about 5 seconds to get up, by which time he was out of position to save the shot. He's the best we've got, but he does have a lot of errors in him which is why guita will come back in once fit, and rightly so.

[welshiron]

Getting in some games before November so a rare bit of good news

[robin1864]

Oct 27, 2019 22:11:52 GMT iot said:

Oct 27, 2019 18:30:52 GMT manulike said:

Had a very solid game and produced three spectacular saves to give Palace a deserved draw.

Two of those were very low to his right - which was supposed to be his weak area ;-)

The two actual goals and the third that was chalked off, were more down to chaotic defending off corners.

Hmmm, from the reaction on twitter, that review seems to be at odds with what Palace fans thought. I looked at twitter half time, and his name was trending - for all the wrong reasons. Then I saw a video of the first goal where he flapped at the cross badly, took about 5 seconds to get up, by which time he was out of position to save the shot. He's the best we've got, but he does have a lot of errors in him which is why guita will come back in once fit, and rightly so.

Manulike's optimism regarding Wayne has to be taken with a shovel of salt. I won't believe it till I see him put in a stellar performance wearing a Wales shirt. 

This sounds more akin to what we've all seen throughout this campaign:

[marsvolta]

Oct 28, 2019 2:30:06 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 27, 2019 22:11:52 GMT iot said:

Hmmm, from the reaction on twitter, that review seems to be at odds with what Palace fans thought. I looked at twitter half time, and his name was trending - for all the wrong reasons. Then I saw a video of the first goal where he flapped at the cross badly, took about 5 seconds to get up, by which time he was out of position to save the shot. He's the best we've got, but he does have a lot of errors in him which is why guita will come back in once fit, and rightly so.

Manulike's optimism regarding Wayne has to be taken with a shovel of salt. I won't believe it till I see him put in a stellar performance wearing a Wales shirt. 

This sounds more akin to what we've all seen throughout this campaign:

If you’re looking to Twitter for positivity then you won’t get far.

Still, Nice of L.i.am/GilesyL14’s to add his thoughts and balance by calling Wayne a flappy nonce.

[iot]

Oct 28, 2019 2:30:06 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 27, 2019 22:11:52 GMT iot said:

Hmmm, from the reaction on twitter, that review seems to be at odds with what Palace fans thought. I looked at twitter half time, and his name was trending - for all the wrong reasons. Then I saw a video of the first goal where he flapped at the cross badly, took about 5 seconds to get up, by which time he was out of position to save the shot. He's the best we've got, but he does have a lot of errors in him which is why guita will come back in once fit, and rightly so.

Manulike's optimism regarding Wayne has to be taken with a shovel of salt. I won't believe it till I see him put in a stellar performance wearing a Wales shirt. 

This sounds more akin to what we've all seen throughout this campaign:

Nonsense, he's had three stellar performances in this game. Watch Slovakia home back -he pulled off 2 or 3 great saves. He also made vital contributions in the last double header. The only absolute howler was against Azerbaijan, but thankfully that didn't cost us. Without him, we would be potentially up to 5 points worse off.

[manulike]

Oct 28, 2019 2:30:06 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 27, 2019 22:11:52 GMT iot said:

Hmmm, from the reaction on twitter, that review seems to be at odds with what Palace fans thought. I looked at twitter half time, and his name was trending - for all the wrong reasons. Then I saw a video of the first goal where he flapped at the cross badly, took about 5 seconds to get up, by which time he was out of position to save the shot. He's the best we've got, but he does have a lot of errors in him which is why guita will come back in once fit, and rightly so.

Manulike's optimism regarding Wayne has to be taken with a shovel of salt. I won't believe it till I see him put in a stellar performance wearing a Wales shirt. 

This sounds more akin to what we've all seen throughout this campaign:

Neh.
There is only one Palace fan who's opinion actually matters :+)

[iot]

Guaita back fit and comes straight back into the side with hennessey dropping to the bench. He's roughly the same age and is clearly the club's no.1 (from what I've seen, he looks like a very decent keeper too). Hennessey's actually done well in his absence, so it's extremely unlikely he will regain the no.1 spot. Sooner or later he will have to decide whether he's happy being second choice or whether it's time to move on.

[welshiron]

Move where?

[1gwaunview]

Does this Guaita come out for crosses? To me that's Wayne's major fault given his stature, almost glued to the line/six yard box. Should ask the oracle Nev for advice.

[allezlesrouges]

From a Welsh perspective his run in the side has been quite timely. Agree though, the end of the season might be time for Big Wayne to move on for first team football.

[iot]

Nov 3, 2019 14:29:46 GMT welshiron said:

Move where?

Where? Dunno. That's between him, his agent and whoever may be interested. I'm not saying he should move on, but that's the decision he'll be faced with - stay as a second choice or move to become a no.1 at another club. I have no idea whether another prem club would be interested in him as their no.1, so the choice may be staying as a no.2 in the prem or dropping down to the champ to become a no.1. I would certainly not begrudge him, at this stage of his career, if he opted for the former! 

[jbt95]

Thought the Palace keeper looked dodgy.