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Post by welshowl on Nov 12, 2021 12:37:05 GMT
Azerbaijan 1 - Luxembourg 3. I swear Luxembourg just became a decent team overnight. Not quite overnight....it's an interesting article here about their improvement in recent times.
"The trick has been turning the country’s overwhelmingly amateur talent pool into a professional one. As recently as 20 years ago, Luxembourg’s senior national team was made up of teachers, bank employees and civil servants. Now, with the country having established links with clubs in neighbouring states, the coach Luc Holtz can choose from players in the top divisions of Portugal, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland and Ukraine."
As with other lower ranked teams, NAtion League will have given them moire useful epxerience and more confidence. Luxembourg league clubs have been doing better in European competitions too.
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Post by iot on Nov 12, 2021 15:56:30 GMT
Unless I'm missing anything, the only result really to look out for this evening is in the Italy v Switzerland game wher ewe should hope for a home win.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 19:23:16 GMT
Unless I'm missing anything, the only result really to look out for this evening is in the Italy v Switzerland game wher ewe should hope for a home win. Strong Italian line up. I might be wrong but I only see an Italian win. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 20:02:22 GMT
Unless I'm missing anything, the only result really to look out for this evening is in the Italy v Switzerland game wher ewe should hope for a home win. Strong Italian line up. I might be wrong but I only see an Italian win. Swiss take the lead. I’d hate to see Italy in the play offs |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 12, 2021 20:05:50 GMT
Strong Italian line up. I might be wrong but I only see an Italian win. Swiss take the lead. I’d hate to see Italy in the play offs Yes not good news! |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 12, 2021 20:51:56 GMT
Could we end up playing Scotland? I’d actually hate that
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 21:14:14 GMT
Could we end up playing Scotland? I’d actually hate that Depends. I’d hate to face Spain or Italy |
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Post by insertname on Nov 12, 2021 22:02:20 GMT
Could we end up playing Scotland? I’d actually hate that Depends. I’d hate to face Spain or Italy Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 22:17:28 GMT
Depends. I’d hate to face Spain or Italy Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. Yeah absolutely. Lets win these two games. |
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Post by zakbaby on Nov 12, 2021 23:03:52 GMT
Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. Yeah absolutely. Lets win these two games. Yes, I remember leaving the stadium after the match and saying to my mate "why is everyone cheering, weve fucked this up" |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 12, 2021 23:19:52 GMT
Depends. I’d hate to face Spain or Italy Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. These are the current standings, at the moment if we're not seeded it's Serbia, Sweden, Switzerland, Croatia, Poland or Scotland away in the first leg It's not looking likely Italy or Spain will be in the mix now. Either way VERY unlikely that we will end up with 2 kind draws. We're going to have a tough game at some point, but let's do our best to make the 1st one at home against one of the teams in the bottom list |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 12, 2021 23:21:47 GMT
Could we end up playing Scotland? I’d actually hate that Yes it's a possibility in either scenario. We can play anyone in the playoffs in the final fixture |
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Post by insertname on Nov 12, 2021 23:42:07 GMT
Yeah absolutely. Lets win these two games. Yes, I remember leaving the stadium after the match and saying to my mate "why is everyone cheering, weve fucked this up" I’m glad I wasn’t the only one! A desperate night really. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 12, 2021 23:44:51 GMT
Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. These are the current standings, at the moment if we're not seeded it's Serbia, Sweden, Switzerland, Croatia, Poland or Scotland away in the first leg It's not looking likely Italy or Spain will be in the mix now. Either way VERY unlikely that we will end up with 2 kind draws. We're going to have a tough game at some point, but let's do our best to make the 1st one at home against one of the teams in the bottom list I wouldn’t fancy Norway or the Czechs but the rest would be decent if we were seeded. Ukraine are a poor side if we could take the game to them and force the pace of the game. If we end up seeded who replaces us in the unseeded side? |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 23:46:37 GMT
These are the current standings, at the moment if we're not seeded it's Serbia, Sweden, Switzerland, Croatia, Poland or Scotland away in the first leg It's not looking likely Italy or Spain will be in the mix now. Either way VERY unlikely that we will end up with 2 kind draws. We're going to have a tough game at some point, but let's do our best to make the 1st one at home against one of the teams in the bottom list I wouldn’t fancy Norway or the Czechs but the rest would be decent if we were seeded. Ukraine are a poor side if we could take the game to them and force the pace of the game. If we end up seeded who replaces us in the unseeded side? We couldn’t play the Czechs is what I understand. You can’t draw out someone who was in the same group in qualifying. |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 12, 2021 23:51:11 GMT
I wouldn’t fancy Norway or the Czechs but the rest would be decent if we were seeded. Ukraine are a poor side if we could take the game to them and force the pace of the game. If we end up seeded who replaces us in the unseeded side? We couldn’t play the Czechs is what I understand. You can’t draw out someone who was in the same group in qualifying. To be honest, with the exception of Scotland, I couldn't see us getting a result away to any of those seeded teams. I think this is why we have to go sh-t or bust this week. I really worry the Estonia home game is going to come back to haunt us. |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 12, 2021 23:55:20 GMT
We couldn’t play the Czechs is what I understand. You can’t draw out someone who was in the same group in qualifying. To be honest, with the exception of Scotland, I couldn't see us getting a result away to any of those seeded teams. I think this is why we have to go sh-t or bust this week. I really worry the Estonia home game is going to come back to haunt us. We got to go for it |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 1:55:19 GMT
I wouldn’t fancy Norway or the Czechs but the rest would be decent if we were seeded. Ukraine are a poor side if we could take the game to them and force the pace of the game. If we end up seeded who replaces us in the unseeded side? We couldn’t play the Czechs is what I understand. You can’t draw out someone who was in the same group in qualifying. Not sure that is a rule tbh. We Global said it wasn't and they are pretty reliable |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 1:56:06 GMT
We couldn’t play the Czechs is what I understand. You can’t draw out someone who was in the same group in qualifying. To be honest, with the exception of Scotland, I couldn't see us getting a result away to any of those seeded teams. I think this is why we have to go sh-t or bust this week. I really worry the Estonia home game is going to come back to haunt us. Well if we had beaten Estonia we'd only have needed a win tomorrow to be seeded is my understanding, sonyes it's already haunting us in that respect. That result mean we needed something out of Belgium home |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 1:56:47 GMT
These are the current standings, at the moment if we're not seeded it's Serbia, Sweden, Switzerland, Croatia, Poland or Scotland away in the first leg It's not looking likely Italy or Spain will be in the mix now. Either way VERY unlikely that we will end up with 2 kind draws. We're going to have a tough game at some point, but let's do our best to make the 1st one at home against one of the teams in the bottom list I wouldn’t fancy Norway or the Czechs but the rest would be decent if we were seeded. Ukraine are a poor side if we could take the game to them and force the pace of the game. If we end up seeded who replaces us in the unseeded side? Too many variables to say |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 13, 2021 3:30:43 GMT
Depends. I’d hate to face Spain or Italy Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. I just meant because Scotland are becoming an excellent team full of confidence that would be really tough to beat and I think there are far better draws |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 13, 2021 3:47:37 GMT
Give me Scotland any day of the week. This is what I dislike about Welsh football, the back slapping always goes before the harsh reality. I recall our 10 minute window of opportunity against the Fins in our penultimate game to go top of the group for 2004 qualification and yet, admittedly with 10 men, we just went into our shells and didn’t look like we had any appetite to try and top the group and at the end of the game everyone in the stadium was cheering because we qualified for the poxy play off- look how that ended up. I can see it again now, all the back slapping for limping into the play offs and we’ll draw Italy or Spain away. We’ll be as good as out if that happens. I can’t help but feel we need our destiny as in our own hands as possible here. Let’s not be reliant on a kind tie because we’ll likely not get it. Home tie or bust imo. I just meant because Scotland are becoming an excellent team full of confidence that would be really tough to beat and I think there are far better draws Scotland a quality team. Players comfortable on the ball. Hard to explain their 20 year slump really. |
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Post by longtimelurker on Nov 13, 2021 8:35:55 GMT
If Wales get 4 points and Scotland lose to Denmark, do we get a home tie?  |
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Post by steveh on Nov 13, 2021 8:41:37 GMT
That’s my understanding yes, they’d have 14 points and we’d have 15.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 13, 2021 9:06:55 GMT
In Group H it's a straight shootout between Croatia and Russia for top spot. Croatia have to beat Russia at home to clinch it. A draw sees Russia top the group. Again will be important one to keep an eye on, as we don't want Croatia slipping into the playoffsRussia are looking a slick operation at the moment, for me they are on par with an aging Croatia now. I couldn't see us getting anything out of an early spring game in Moscow. The Swiss looked good last night, a better side than the one in the summer. Out of those currently projected to have home ties, by far our best chance of progressing is against bonny Scotland. If I'm reading this right, in order for us to nip into the home groups we have to at least win Belarus and draw Belgium? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 9:48:13 GMT
In Group H it's a straight shootout between Croatia and Russia for top spot. Croatia have to beat Russia at home to clinch it. A draw sees Russia top the group. Again will be important one to keep an eye on, as we don't want Croatia slipping into the playoffsRussia are looking a slick operation at the moment, for me they are on par with an aging Croatia now. I couldn't see us getting anything out of an early spring game in Moscow. The Swiss looked good last night, a better side than the one in the summer. Out of those currently projected to have home ties, by far our best chance of progressing is against bonny Scotland. If I'm reading this right, in order for us to nip into the home groups we have to at least win Belarus and draw Belgium? We had a 50/50 chance of getting in with just 1 win before last night, not sure if that has changed |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 9:56:08 GMT
The table here on wiki makes it clear. We can get in with just a win against Belarus as it stands, but we would need to beat Belarus by a big margin & hope Denmark beat Scotland by a few whilst we only lose by a minimal margin against Belgium Norway could gain goal difference and overtake both of us though in theory 4 points guarantees should be the realistic aim IMO en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(UEFA) |
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Post by hooky on Nov 13, 2021 10:17:37 GMT
I am not his biggest fan but everyone would agree Page messed up big time versus Estonia. As I said at the time Brennan should have been brought on not Joniesta when Wilson went off. As said we would probably have a home play off assuming we beat Belarus tonight if he had not screwed up. Then that surprise Czech game - we should have beaten them but for errors
As for our potential play off opponents:
Home:
Serbia 🇷🇸 - If we were Scotland then I'd probably fancy us but we always seem to have a mistake in us when we play them and they were there for the taking in our last WC campaign but we managed to screw up. Away from home - can't see us winning.
Sweden 🇸🇪 - Should be beatable but we always struggle against their athleticism. They will be far better coached than us too. Away from home - can't see us winning,
Croatia 🇭🇷 - As above. Again beatable on paper but ....
Switzerland 🇨🇭 - After seeing how they are playing and coached - no chance
Poland 🇵🇱 - They have been poor for the last 35 years but we always play extremely poorly against them. They should be beatable / are worse than the Czech Republic in my opinion but their star striker would probably have a field day against us/
Scotland 🏴. They are just solid aren't they? They would not concede some of the pathetic goals we have. More beatable than most of the others and how I would love to get revenge for the past. However, they would be favourites at Hampden
Away:
Norway 🇳🇴 Can't see our defence doing well against Harland. We would simply have to score more than them but they are well drilled.
North Macedonia 🇲🇰 Yes please but would not be the walk over many expect
Ukraine 🇺🇦 Beatable
Austria 🇦🇹 Very beatable. If their players turn up with fight in their belly then a difficult game
Czech Republic 🇨🇿 We can do it but no walkover
WE MUST GET A HOME DRAW. The problem is our weakness is our coaching and that is where I fear we may fall down
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Post by dai on Nov 13, 2021 10:26:05 GMT
So are we better off getting an away draw??
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Post by pclaude on Nov 13, 2021 10:29:03 GMT
I am not his biggest fan but everyone would agree Page messed up big time versus Estonia. As I said at the time Brennan should have been brought on not Joniesta when Wilson went off. As said we would probably have a home play off assuming we beat Belarus tonight if he had not screwed up. Then that surprise Czech game - we should have beaten them but for errors As for our potential play off opponents: Home: Serbia 🇷🇸 - If we were Scotland then I'd probably fancy us but we always seem to have a mistake in us when we play them and they were there for the taking in our last WC campaign but we managed to screw up. Away from home - can't see us winning. Sweden 🇸🇪 - Should be beatable but we always struggle against their athleticism. They will be far better coached than us too. Away from home - can't see us winning, Croatia 🇭🇷 - As above. Again beatable on paper but .... Switzerland 🇨🇭 - After seeing how they are playing and coached - no chance Poland 🇵🇱 - They have been poor for the last 35 years but we always play extremely poorly against them. They should be beatable / are worse than the Czech Republic in my opinion but their star striker would probably have a field day against us/ Scotland 🏴. They are just solid aren't they? They would not concede some of the pathetic goals we have. More beatable than most of the others and how I would love to get revenge for the past. However, they would be favourites at Hampden Away: Norway 🇳🇴 Can't see our defence doing well against Harland. We would simply have to score more than them but they are well drilled. North Macedonia 🇲🇰 Yes please but would not be the walk over many expect Ukraine 🇺🇦 Beatable Austria 🇦🇹 Very beatable. If their players turn up with fight in their belly then a difficult game Czech Republic 🇨🇿 We can do it but no walkover WE MUST GET A HOME DRAW. The problem is our weakness is our coaching and that is where I fear we may fall down I just don’t see the results falling for a home draw. Denmark might be half arsed against Scotland though 10 from 10 should be a good incentive. I think a big win tonight is essential to have any chance. We then need to match whatever Scotland do. And if we both lose the Czechs come back into it. |
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