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Post by flynnfan on Feb 25, 2012 0:18:37 GMT
Speed was an excellent choice, so is Coleman. I'm convinced we'll compete in the next campaign. At the risk of offending anyone on this board didn't Redknapp recently say "All us Managers are over rated, its mostly down to the players" - Wales now have a Premiership first XI and even a respectable second XI! I think it was ffwtbol on twitter who said that most of the players on our current stand by list would have been in the first 11 a few years back! Ched Evans has 21 goals already this season and can't even make the squad. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Feb 25, 2012 8:36:25 GMT
Speed was an excellent choice, so is Coleman. I'm convinced we'll compete in the next campaign. At the risk of offending anyone on this board didn't Redknapp recently say "All us Managers are over rated, its mostly down to the players" - Wales now have a Premiership first XI and even a respectable second XI! I think it was ffwtbol on twitter who said that most of the players on our current stand by list would have been in the first 11 a few years back! Ched Evans has 21 goals already this season and can't even make the squad. Yep look at some of the players we have had starting matches in recent years. Steve Evans, David Partridge, Glyn Garner etc. Our sqaud now is very strong and although we have encountered a terrible tragedy we need to get behind Coleman and our team of very good players. We are now ranked higher than we have been since 1995 so surley it's time to try and feel positive. |
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Post by jonathandearth on Feb 27, 2012 12:04:28 GMT
From this article: www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/02/26/osian-roberts-set-to-take-charge-of-the-wales-91466-30406919/ Coleman was appointed on 19th January - 6 weeks before the Costa Rica game. But Osain Roberts is picking the team. It makes no sense, even if is some sort of tribute to Gary Speed. It wouldn't make it any less of a tribute if Coleman picked the team. We can't mess about - Coleman will only be in charge for 2 matches before the vital qualfiers start. By being in charge on Wednesday would have given him 50% more experience. Perhaps he would have chosen a different squad and team. It's nonsensical. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 27, 2012 12:15:21 GMT
True that Coleman should be the manager for this game him and gary were best mates it would surely be an honour and a privlage to take charge of such a game, the decision was probably made before the coleman appointment!
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Post by jonathandearth on Feb 27, 2012 12:24:40 GMT
If so it was a hasty and highly regretable decision.
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Post by Tim P on Feb 27, 2012 12:57:10 GMT
Don't rule out the possibility that, especially with Verheijen gone, Coleman pretty much will be in charge in all but name.
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Post by stu on Feb 27, 2012 18:30:35 GMT
Perhaps he would have chosen a different squad and team. It's nonsensical. Assuming he didn't pick this squad then there's no way he'd have picked any more than a few different players. The first XI picks itself, we know that by now. The only real issue is who will replace Ramsey. |
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Post by jonathandearth on Feb 29, 2012 14:43:46 GMT
Coleman is going to be our manager isn't he, not just a selector.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 12:40:10 GMT
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Post by llannerch on May 11, 2012 13:25:29 GMT
I'd argue that that was in place previously
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 14:02:43 GMT
It was in place allready under flynn!Surely the faw should send whoever they intend to replace flynn to NYC with coleman and the full squad to understand the way coleman works and what coleman exspects from the boss of the youth levels!
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Post by flynnfan on May 11, 2012 20:46:54 GMT
Does anyone know what Coleman's philosophy is?
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My guess is that we'll play the 4-3-3/4-5-1 hybrid that Hughes introduced to Wales, and Gary Speed revived. Coleman seemed to favour this at Fulham at least (probably heavily influenced by Hughes his time as a Wales player under Hughes for a couple of years)
Interstingly Flynn often played a very dfferent system at u21 level to Toshack with the seniors. Whilst Toshack seemed to have a boner for 5 at the back with variations in midfield/attack, Flynn tended to stick to his favoured 4-4-2 but with a narrow midfield 3 and one wide man (usually Macdonald wide right) One of the few times Flynn deviated from this formula and went for an attcking 4-3-3 (with, I think, Vokes, Evans and Church all in the starting line up) we lost a crucial game vs Bosnia.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on May 11, 2012 20:59:24 GMT
His Fulham team played very attractive passing football from what i can remember, couldnt tell you much about his sides abroad or Coventry mind.
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Post by welshwizard79 on May 11, 2012 22:00:15 GMT
Or maybe that he wants players to turn up?!
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Post by zakbaby on Aug 16, 2012 1:45:31 GMT
after last nights game i'm wondering if cc is really happy with the 'gary speed' type of way we're playing? Would he like to change to a more direct 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 perhaps? I think that he's really caught in a bad situation where he's trying to honour his departed friend and keep the players sweet as they've said they like this way of playing.i think he really needs to put his own mark on his team or it could be disaster before it starts for him.he's the boss,the players play as he wants.i feel sorry for him as it appears he cant win either way?
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Post by idiot on Aug 16, 2012 7:20:30 GMT
good post
i agree,he's caught in a very bad position,following speed was going to be tough for whoever got the job
sense says that we should keep our playing it on the ground ways as our best players are suited to it,the option of knocking it long to morison should also be a tool we shouldnt be afraid to use if needs must of course
i have sympathy for him,regardless of what you might think of the guy,you can tell its obviously quite an honour for him to take the role on but i dont think it could have come under worse circumstances or at a worst time for him
lets face it,that run we were on with speed was due to the lack of pressure on the players due to us being out of the group,i didnt believe for a second that form would continue in whats turned out to be a very tough group
if coleman isnt comfortable coaching what he's trying to coach now then speeds legacy or not he should put his own stamp on things
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 13:17:38 GMT
Yes - zero from three and no goals. Even with a squad that good. When was the last time a Wales manager with a squad this good made them look that bad? It will be time to get Hartson in for a bit of cheerleading next. The WCQ campaign will be over by October. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 16, 2012 15:03:22 GMT
A full squad performed that poorly in a friendly in august against australia last season
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 16:19:45 GMT
A full squad performed that poorly in a friendly in august against australia last season Yeah - I see Bananaman trotted out this garbage in today's Walesonline as well. Against Australia we were not that poor - at least we had a shape - we just played a lot of keep ball possession but did not build enough attacks or urgency in our offense that day. Under Speed there was a significant emphasis on the retaining of possession (which built on the Toshack era) and this development started to pay dividends in the later games under Speed as we were able to develop a cutting edge to the possession game. Coleman has unravelled everthing in a few months - last night we had 8 premier league players in the starting line up that could not string more than 4 or 5 passes together in succession. There was absolutely no shape to the team that I could make out. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 16, 2012 16:27:29 GMT
He started with the same shape as Speed used to, its hardly Colemans fault they couldn't pass a ball is it?
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 16, 2012 16:32:59 GMT
We were embarrasingly poor against the aussies people were questioning speeds appointment
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Post by welshwizard79 on Aug 16, 2012 17:52:46 GMT
If Allens goal went in maybe the game would have been different. The save from Begovic was very good and their goals were from defence cock ups. It was a pre season friendly and therefore the players are gonna be rusty. More worringly Belgium stuffed Holland 4-2!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 21:50:11 GMT
with Bellamy Morison Bale starting, and Vaughan/Collison back in the midfield then we should look a much better team. Ricketts>Gunter 100%. And Ben Turner needs to be called up, Blake and Williams were a f*cking disgrace last night, so were Gunts and Taylor!! Ramsey looked lost and couldn't string any tidy passes together, made 1 or 2 good moves as did Allen.
F*cking hope they wake up and gel in the Belgium game, I'm really hoping we can at least get a draw, 0-0 or something, and maybe somehow, I'm not sure how, beat Serbia away, Gareth Bale goal maybe.
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Post by Tim P on Aug 16, 2012 21:55:25 GMT
A full squad performed that poorly in a friendly in august against australia last season Against Australia we were not that poor . I can't agree with that. Against Australia we were absolute garbage... worse than last night by some distance. Bale has been comparing the Australia game with Bosnia, saying how everything was fine and it was just a bad night (in effect admitting that no one plays hard during friendlies... pretty rank if you ask me, but there you go) - well let's hope so. |
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Post by oojibooji on Aug 16, 2012 21:59:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2012 22:05:26 GMT
Against Australia we were not that poor . I can't agree with that. Against Australia we were absolute garbage... worse than last night by some distance. Bale has been comparing the Australia game with Bosnia, saying how everything was fine and it was just a bad night (in effect admitting that no one plays hard during friendlies... pretty rank if you ask me, but there you go) - well let's hope so. Yes its worthy of Pravda for even suggesting that Australia performance was better than last night. That Oz performance was one of the worst I've ever seen- mitigated only by the fact that Oz are actually a decent side at least (although to put that in context 12 months on they are being dicked 3-1 by the Jocks) But we couldn't pass our way out of a paper bag and played 75% of the game at walking pace. We struggled to get the ball in the area let alone create a chance. You could at least see the game plan last night- we just couldn't execute it because of a combination of Bosnia doing their homework, Ramsey and Allen not being at the races and Vokes and Church simply not being any good. |
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Post by thedon on Aug 16, 2012 23:52:23 GMT
Australia game was very poor,Last night was worse in my opinion.
However,There are sharp differences between the 2 performances,As bad as the australia game was (And it was bad) we did at least score,This is something that a coleman squad has yet to achieve and until we are more convincing going forward then i can understand the concern from the supporters.
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Post by walrus on Aug 17, 2012 6:51:22 GMT
after last nights game i'm wondering if cc is really happy with the 'gary speed' type of way we're playing? Would he like to change to a more direct 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 perhaps? I think that he's really caught in a bad situation where he's trying to honour his departed friend and keep the players sweet as they've said they like this way of playing.i think he really needs to put his own mark on his team or it could be disaster before it starts for him.he's the boss,the players play as he wants.i feel sorry for him as it appears he cant win either way? A modern coach should be able to play in a variety of ways not the least of which would be a 433 passing/pressing high tempo style. If Coleman can't do that then he should be out of a job very quickly. He's coached in spain so he knows what it should look like and it most definitely does not look like Coventry or Fulham. So it's nonsense to suggest he's in a bad situation and he must get Wales playing in the manner that has been set up for him on a plate by the work of Tosh Flynn Speed and Dutchy. |
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Post by idiot on Aug 17, 2012 23:06:14 GMT
a modern coach SHOULD have many ways of setting up teams agreed,but it isnt always the case
allardyce,mark hughes,wenger,martinez,o'neill,moyes all premier league managers,some highly though of who to me know only one way of doing things
they have their methods and stick to it,stubbornly and sometimes wrongly in my mind
isnt that what we have here?a manager who only knows one way?
asking him to coach in a way he isnt familiar with is bound to cause problems,obviously this is something the faw should have thought of when they looked for a successor
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Post by stu on Aug 18, 2012 12:12:03 GMT
With the exception of the last 10 minutes we were awful against the Aussies.
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