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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2012 12:29:10 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Sept 11, 2012 19:58:12 GMT
Remember this thread
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Post by llannerch on Sept 11, 2012 20:04:17 GMT
Yorath had a drinking problem most of his post-playing days.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 20:10:21 GMT
some of us knew from the start. get rid of this turkey now. paul abbandonato if you are reading this, you got the ray bashing totally wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2012 20:15:55 GMT
some of us knew from the start. get rid of this turkey now. paul abbandonato if you are reading this, you got the ray bashing totally wrong. I thought you didn't like PR disasters Baresi? ;D I'm sure Ray won't miss this score to give us a touch of his class on Twitter tomorrow.... |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 11, 2012 20:23:46 GMT
I live in a place in Latin America thats on the tourist trail and i've been here for 7 years. There's a big Dutch population and they're arrogant and cocky. Dutch Ray was just the average outspoken Dutchman. Welsh people don't get that and never will.
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Post by zakbaby on Sept 12, 2012 2:12:00 GMT
lets face it.the faw wont sack coleman so here's what i think he should do.
1.stop trying to be gary speed.by this i mean forget the tactics which i feel he has been using by default.the players have had they're chances and havnt performed in the 'speed' system. For god sake chris,use your own tactics etc.if the players dont like it then fuck them off as bale aside,we dont need any of them on recent performances.
2.we must play 2 up front.morison is not good enough to play the lone striker role.we dont hold up the ball to give us any sort of foothold in a game.our options are limited but we must have the threat of an offence to at least keep the opposion back 3 or 4 busy.1 up front allows full backs to go forward as we saw to devastating effect last night.
3. Stop picking the same old players.
Darcy blake dosnt play for cardiff for obvious reasons-he's shit.why play him for wales?
Simon church the same for reading-why play him?
Surely rickets a better bet for cb? Experienced premier league standard pro,not championship reserve.
4.strip ramsey of captaincy.not drop him but his club form has dipped and he's only 20 years old.give it to williams as he's a shoe in to play other than bale and let him express himself without the media work etc that comes with being captain.sit him down and get him to concentrate of playing and nothing else.
5.change our playing style. This spain type short passing game is great to watch if you can play it,we cant.any pressure on us and we gift the ball away.thats why 2 up front.an outlet for our under pressure defence and with bale and bellamy on the pitch,pace to counter attack.all for nothing though if we cant hold the ball up top.
6. Maybe a sweeper? Toshack was roasted for using this system but with a 5-3-2 we could get numbers at the back,play our strongest cm 3 and still have 2 strikers.yoraths' wales got results playing this way.keep it tight but use the pace of giggs/saunders and rush to counter attack.
7. The faw really need to pull out all stops to sell the next home game.maybe children free with a £10 paying adult? Anybody who has bought tickets for £20 (or whatever they cost,i'm in australia so dont know) can bring a mate for free. The crowds will not be there otherwise.
8.the next manager cannot be a welshman.he cannot have any links to our history,our failings to qualify or any feelings towards the doom and gloom that surround our game.we must start a fresh.thats why lagerback would have been ideal.he would have been sorry for the speed situation but must be allowed to stamp his own authority and ideas on our team.sadly gary is gone,but how long must we grieve? We need an outsider to shake us out of it.he will only come from outside our footballing circles.
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Post by quetzal on Sept 12, 2012 5:49:42 GMT
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Post by walrus on Sept 12, 2012 7:00:19 GMT
Walk.
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 12, 2012 7:11:53 GMT
3. Darcy Blake now plays for Palace because Cardiff got rid. His honeymoon period at international level is now over.
6. We have lost 5-1 under Tosh and Yorath playing that system so can't see it changing much. There was a distinct lack of effort tonight which was there on Friday.
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Post by walrus on Sept 12, 2012 7:47:13 GMT
Zakbaby said........................"This spain type short passing game is great to watch if you can play it,we cant.any pressure on us and we gift the ball away. thats why 2 up front.an outlet for our under pressure defence and with bale and bellamy on the pitch, pace to counter attack. all for nothing though if we cant hold the ball up top."
The first part of that paragraph is hard to take. We can't its true not to the level of spain but then again not many can. The Czechs hammered our u21's yesterday and England Scotland and Irelands North and South are all fucking embarrassing. What have we got in common? Block defence and direct play attack which surrenders possession meekly. Flynnfan amongst others hit the nail on the head when he identified that we need to have a welsh way of playing from under 8's to seniors but teh problem is we have people like Dave Edwards and Jack Collison etc playing for Stone Age coaches like MCCarthy and allardyce. This idiot Coleman wanted that clumsy twat Shawcross who plays for a coach who sleeps on the Charles Hughes videos every night. Nothing against you Zakbaby but you are talking bollocks in effect you are shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic.
Tosh had a long term strategy which was starting to come to fruition under Dutch Ray and Speed. Its that long term strategy and an emphsasis on a welsh style from u16's all the way through that will see us improve and finally encourage players to play for managers that play properly. Not Allardyce Pulis Redknapp Dave Jones Malky McKay etc etc
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Post by zakbaby on Sept 12, 2012 8:12:46 GMT
Zakbaby said........................"This spain type short passing game is great to watch if you can play it,we cant.any pressure on us and we gift the ball away. thats why 2 up front.an outlet for our under pressure defence and with bale and bellamy on the pitch, pace to counter attack. all for nothing though if we cant hold the ball up top." The first part of that paragraph is hard to take. We can't its true not to the level of spain but then again not many can. The Czechs hammered our u21's yesterday and England Scotland and Irelands North and South are all fucking embarrassing. What have we got in common? Block defence and direct play attack. Flynnfan amongst others hit the nail on the head when he identified that we need to have a welsh way of playing from under 8's to seniors but teh problem is we have people like Dave Edwards and Jack Collison etc playing for Stone Age coaches like MCCarthy and allardyce. This idiot Coleman wanted that clumsy twat Shawcross who plays for a coach who sleeps on the Charles Hughes videos every night. Nothing against you Zakbaby but you are talking bollocks in effect you are shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic. Tosh had a long term strategy which was starting to come to fruition under Dutch Ray and Speed. Its that long term strategy and an emphsasis on a welsh style from u16's all the way through that will see us improve and finally encourage players to play for managers that play properly. Not Allardyce Pulis Redknapp Dave Jones Malky McKay etc etc Walrus- how am i talking bollocks? I've heard the same shit about 'long term stratergy' 'build for the next campaign' for the last 8 years!then another campaign drifts by.meanwhile 54 years later and we're still trotting out the same old shit.who's to say we'll finish 3rd for euro 2016? On what i've seen so far,no chance. Didnt toshack say'judge me on the 2010 qualifyers'? We did and it was a shambles! What changed from last night? Same formation,same players and same tactics,but the same results! I agree that a way of playing through all levels is great in an ideal world but in little old wales that will never happen.flynn was trying but the faw got rid.coleman cant be blamed if ramsey cant pass a ball 10 yards,blake cant tackle for shit can he? I'm not saying play the long ball game but mix it up because this style of play isnt working.after 5 games we havnt changed a thing.4-5-1,fuck about with the ball and give it away on the edge of our area.all our opponents dont need to scout us as they already know this. Do you think shawcross would have let the serbs dance through him like our defence did last night? They should be ashamed of the lack of basic defending they displayed last night.change the system because it dosnt work. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2012 8:20:24 GMT
agreed. Get Flynn back in to manage us temporarily we cold do no worse, the players love him. He could develop the players for the next campaign at the very least. We are just going backwards otherwise. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 8:37:28 GMT
zakbaby - you are indeed talking complete bollocks. Walrus and NJ are right.
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Post by geraint on Sept 12, 2012 9:12:07 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 9:15:13 GMT
What I've never understood about the appointment of Coleman is that the FAW interviewed him when Toshack left, and were left so unimpressed that they decided to pay half a million quid to get Speed out of his contract with Sheffield Utd instead. And then, a year later, they decide he'll do. Makes no sense.
I said when Speed died the FAW should have approached Hiddink (not in a job at the time) Ok, maybe he'd have laughed (how much?! fuck off!) but do you think anyone at the FAW had the ambition, or even the idea to ask him? Maybe offer a 3 million quid qualification bonus and see what he says? (which would be affordable if we qualified) Or do you think the FAW just thought, who's Welsh, not long finished playing and avaialable? (personally, I'm guessing the latter)
What makes it worse is idiots like Bananaman saying 'he's the only logical choice'.. and we're supposed to swallow this bullshit?!
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Post by CookieIsTheMan on Sept 12, 2012 9:33:30 GMT
He is an experienced manager who's worked with some top class players around Europe.
We have to realistic, there are no better alternatives for the Welsh job at this point.
Get behind Coleman and the lads, he can turn this around.
In Coleman we trust.
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Post by llannerch on Sept 12, 2012 9:40:53 GMT
Is that you Chris?
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 9:46:22 GMT
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 12, 2012 9:56:38 GMT
This is the players fault that we were so pathetic, but I don't see Coleman as the man to turn it around. We need someone from abroad for once and the FAW have got to stop xenophobic when picking a new manager, because the Welsh ones we have available aren't up to the job.
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2012 10:41:38 GMT
What Coleman must do:
Work out in his head whether he thinks he can turn this situation around. If he doesn't think he can, he should quit.
If he does think he can change it, he needs to work out exactly how he wants to do this and implement this strategy immediately and ruthlessly.
Personally, on the back of that performance, it just confirms a lot of things I suspected before he was appointed.
The Eire players despise Trapattoni, but he'll get them winning, albeit winning 'ugly'. I get the feeling that our players aren't that fussed either way by Coleman, and it shows.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 10:48:53 GMT
Trappatoni has a slightly better CV than Coleman.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 11:01:06 GMT
Work out in his head whether he thinks he can turn this situation around. If he doesn't think he can, he should quit.
If he does think he can change it, he needs to work out exactly how he wants to do this and implement this strategy immediately and ruthlessly.
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EXACTLY RIGHT. If Coleman calls a press conference next week and says he's quitting because the situation with replacing his dead friend is too hard, and he's not the right man to turn around the players mentality then I won't think any less of him at all. In fact, I'd think more of him. It would be brave.
If he has a strong strategy for turning this around, then fine, he needs to implement it.
Carrying on like this is not an option.
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Post by SwanseaLad on Sept 12, 2012 11:08:33 GMT
I don't see why people are having a go at Coleman, it's Ramsey that picks the team.  |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 12, 2012 11:12:13 GMT
Might get a slaughtering for this but Coleman has kept to Speedos tactics and formation and it hasn't worked,
now its time to move away from the Speed era and for Coleman to do what he wants to do with formation and tactics he doesn't seem at ease using these tactics and why should he?
He is the manager now (gulp) but he should do what he wants from the next game onwards if he loses the next two then its time to go!!
Also i think the players have got off very lightly from criticism here they played with no passion and no commitment, they played like they simply couldn't give a toss...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 11:27:14 GMT
Tosh had a long term strategy which was starting to come to fruition under Dutch Ray and Speed. Its that long term strategy and an emphsasis on a welsh style from u16's all the way through that will see us improve and finally encourage players to play for managers that play properly. This is the crucial point and shows where we lost it. In appointing Coleman we effectively threw out the last 8 years of development post Hughes in one moment of madness. Swansea have got it right by playing the continuity way and it doesn't matter who the manager is as long as he is sympathetic to the principles of the playing strategy. Coleman, if you look at his past record and way of playing was the wrong choice and rooted in the past. It is the FAW who must carry the can for this. Coleman talks the talk about sophisticated football but does not believe in in - he said he told the players to play long ball for the first 10 minutes against Belgium and then go to a passing game which is just confusing and very difficult to implement in the heat of an opening qualifier. My guess is he was desparate to get back in the limelight while out in Greece, figured he could do a Mark Hughes and told the FAW what they wanted to hear. They took it hook line and sinker. |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 12, 2012 11:32:47 GMT
I've had a look but can't find it but there's a post somewhere saying Coleman has appeased the players too much. If he has and that's how they repay him then he should indeed go as it suggests he's got little respect among the squad.
Slightly unimportant in the greater scheme of things but he should definitely have arranged another May friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 12:08:33 GMT
He is an experienced manager who's worked with some top class players around Europe. Welcome to the forum Chris. Do you count Coventry with that? Perhaps you'd like to check this out from almost three years back? I was there. And I feel this guy's pain and I'm not even a Coventry supporter! www.skybluesblog.co.uk/swansea-0-coventry-0-no-surprises/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 12:16:47 GMT
Personally, on the back of that performance, it just confirms a lot of things I suspected before he was appointed. but i bet you have a few splinters up your arse from sitting on the fence for so long? |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2012 13:54:32 GMT
Personally, on the back of that performance, it just confirms a lot of things I suspected before he was appointed. but i bet you have a few splinters up your arse from sitting on the fence for so long? Haha, maybe. I gave him a chance, and will do for the next couple of games, I don't think the situation is irretrievable. But I do think he's a moron - I've always said that and I always will. |
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