Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 14:04:47 GMT
but i bet you have a few splinters up your arse from sitting on the fence for so long?  Haha, maybe. I gave him a chance, and will do for the next couple of games, I don't think the situation is irretrievable. But I do think he's a moron - I've always said that and I always will. Why give him 2 more games then? We could change it now, get everyone back on board, win 5 and draw 2 of the next 8 and get in the playoffs. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2012 14:13:14 GMT
Haha, maybe. I gave him a chance, and will do for the next couple of games, I don't think the situation is irretrievable. But I do think he's a moron - I've always said that and I always will. Why give him 2 more games then? We could change it now, get everyone back on board, win 5 and draw 2 of the next 8 and get in the playoffs. Yep, that's true. If the right candidate was available, I'd back that. |
|
|
|
Post by muaythai on Sept 12, 2012 14:40:05 GMT
TIME? NO NO NO
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 15:25:44 GMT
I have not read one word of criticism in the Welsh media on Coleman so far, not one.
|
|
|
|
Post by Baxter Cymru on Sept 12, 2012 15:26:02 GMT
Joe Allen: "to be fair to the manager he prepared us in the right way to go out onto the pitch, we have gone out there and let the country down"
|
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 12, 2012 16:40:38 GMT
[quote author=flynnfan board=general thread=2294 post=38307 time=1347447666
EXACTLY RIGHT. If Coleman calls a press conference next week and says he's quitting because the situation with replacing his dead friend is too hard, and he's not the right man to turn around the players mentality then I won't think any less of him at all. In fact, I'd think more of him. It would be brave.
If he has a strong strategy for turning this around, then fine, he needs to implement it.
Carrying on like this is not an option.
[/quote]
Good point, but I cannot see it happening myself, he is on £150,000 a year as manager + bonuses & the other coaches must be on a good salary so they will want paying off & I very much doubt the FAW have that sort of money.
Chris Coleman has been trusted with the most talented Welsh side in 20 years and we must not allow him to destroy this side further, we have gone from an emerging international outfit playing with purpose and an identity now we look totally disjointed playing like a poor sunday league pub team
Bring back Steve Evans in defence
|
|
|
|
Post by stu on Sept 12, 2012 16:42:25 GMT
Our players need to seriously man the fuck up. What a load of pussies they all are, not just the ones that played but certain others that are a little unwell or a little upset. Grow a set and get on with it. I'd hate to think what those Serbs witnessed when they were growing up. But it certainly gives some of our millionaires something to think about that's for sure.
That being said we are fortunate in two respects.
1. This is a 6 team group which means we have 8 more games, a possible 24 points left for us to win. This is still very much anyones group.
2. Apart from the games we've played the results have gone our way.
Now as long as the players ALL realise what a bunch of pansies they all are then we can still go on and win the world cup, or at least qualify.
|
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 12, 2012 17:06:13 GMT
I have not read one word of criticism in the Welsh media on Coleman so far, not one. Not suprised by that |
|
|
|
Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 12, 2012 17:30:15 GMT
I have not read one word of criticism in the Welsh media on Coleman so far, not one. Not suprised by that Cover up? Seriously, it was the players who made basic errors. Sorry I mean schoolboy errors. |
|
|
|
Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 17:41:39 GMT
I have not read one word of criticism in the Welsh media on Coleman so far, not one. Not suprised by that Well, bananaman described Coleman as 'the logical choice' so he's not going to admit he got it wrong a few months on... |
|
|
|
Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 17:44:25 GMT
Our players need to seriously man the fuck up. What a load of pussies they all are, not just the ones that played but certain others that are a little unwell or a little upset. Grow a set and get on with it. I'd hate to think what those Serbs witnessed when they were growing up. But it certainly gives some of our millionaires something to think about that's for sure. That being said we are fortunate in two respects. 1. This is a 6 team group which means we have 8 more games, a possible 24 points left for us to win. This is still very much anyones group. 2. Apart from the games we've played the results have gone our way. Now as long as the players ALL realise what a bunch of pansies they all are then we can still go on and win the world cup, or at least qualify. Yeah, but lets face it, we're a nation of pussies. Less than 10% of us want to be independent and stand on our own two feet. We've got the football team we deserve, sadly. |
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 12, 2012 17:46:38 GMT
I know the players should take some blame
But who were the most vociferous against Dutch Ray & his ill timed comments
The Welsh media & especially the ex players among them Roberts & Hartson.
Seems to me the old boys network in Wales are against change & successful national team especially if he ain't welsh
|
|
|
|
Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2012 17:54:24 GMT
If the welsh media weren't in the pockets of the FAW perhaps we would get real criticism ( i hate it to say, like england do) questions would be raised. like why on earth flynn's contract was left to expire. Surely this must be one of the biggest questions and talked about points in recent months and its gone unanswered. Shocking welsh journalism!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 18:05:30 GMT
Haha, maybe. I gave him a chance, and will do for the next couple of games, I don't think the situation is irretrievable. But I do think he's a moron - I've always said that and I always will. Why give him 2 more games then? We could change it now, get everyone back on board, win 5 and draw 2 of the next 8 and get in the playoffs. Yep, easy as that. Ramsey will suddenly get his form back and be the player he was under speed, Blake will suddenly know how to defend and we wont have key players out with injury and all our available players will suddenly grow a set of bollocks.....and all we have to do is change the manager!!!11 |
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 12, 2012 18:21:44 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by flynnfan on Sept 12, 2012 18:40:12 GMT
To give a more serious answer to this question, Coleman needs to work out the answer to Trendy's a (I can't change this) or b(I can change this) question. If he seriously thinks it's b, then this is what he should do imho:
-Give the captaincy to Williams. Sit down with Ramsey and explain thats he's still the main man, and will be captain again in future, but he doesn't want him to deal with the extra pressure at this point.
-Explain that he won't be picking anyone who isn't playing or showing any signs of form for their clubs, and if that means dropping down to league one to pick players who are in form, then so be it. I'd honestly rather have seen Cotterill out there last night than Church. At least he has some form this season. It shouldn't be forgotten that when we reached the Euro quarter final in '76 we had two 3rd division players in the side (Evans of Crystal Palace and Griffiths of Wrexham)
-Be braver. eg - Play Jonathan Williams. If they're good enough they're old enough.
-Bring in some better quality support and coaching staff.
-Consider playing Ricketts next to Williams in central defence. Blake's not looking up to it at the moment. And if extra cover is needed at full back(which is probably the case with Taylor out injured) call up Rhoys Wiggins of Charlton.
-Call Jake Cassidy into the squad. There are no more u21 matches for a while. Take a closer look at the lad and get him involved.
-Explain that we had an awful start in the '94 campaign but we came back from it, to take it to the last game. So it is possible. At the moment it doesn't feel like we can beat anyone, but Scotland is still a winnable game. Look what happened the last two times they came to Cardiff. Because of their fans/media's expectations, they are under more pressure than us to get a win...
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2012 19:36:12 GMT
^^^^
Scotland is exactly the sort of game we don't want next, I can see another northern Ireland situation where they come to town and just cut loose out of the blue in the first half and compound our misery.
We could do with an easy, winnable friendly to get back into our stride and get some confidence back.
Agreed about picking players on form. Can you imagine the out cry if Coleman had dropped the clearly misfiring Ramsey last night though? Also agree that he needs to perhaps look at the coaching staff.
More than anything if he is staying I wonder if the FAW should be looking at some sort of sports psychology mediation? Our players quite clearly have issues-whether speed or Coleman related its hard to tell. The players certainly seem candid enough that they are letting the manager down and I doubt they would openly admit this if they want Coleman out of a job. The players need to be brought back into the fold and that is there problem as much as it is colemans.
|
|
|
|
Post by powyscardiff on Sept 12, 2012 19:43:53 GMT
^^^^ Agreed about picking players on form. Can you imagine the out cry if Coleman had dropped the clearly misfiring Ramsey last night though? Of course there would be an outcry - he is one of our best players! Who is in better form? |
|
|
|
Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 12, 2012 19:47:13 GMT
I have not read one word of criticism in the Welsh media on Coleman so far, not one. Not suprised by that Cover up? Seriously, it was the players who made basic errors. Sorry I mean schoolboy errors. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 3:20:10 GMT
getting rid of Coleman? you're all talking absolute bullshit, 2 qualifiers and a few friendlies is nothing to judge upon, absolutely pointless to get rid of him, 1) he hasn't had a chance to prove himself yet 2) there's nobody out there to do a better job 3) can't chop and change manager and then expect us to be world beaters, truth is we're not that fucking good and it's going to take time for everything to settle, Judge Coleman after this campaign, you're not being fair at all, seriously proper pissing me off.
Collison, Bellamy, Taylor, Ledley, Crofts, Hennessey all important players injured, none of our players really except for 1 or 2 are playing that well at club level at the moment, not even Gareth Bale, unlike this time last year, silly mistakes, footballs a funny old game.
|
|
|
|
Post by walrus on Sept 13, 2012 5:55:39 GMT
No.
|
|
|
|
Post by rushlegend on Sept 13, 2012 12:24:30 GMT
Having watched the match on TV on Tuesday, i noticed for the first 15 mins i thought we actually controlled the match with A Williams heading over from a corner which he should have got on target. Unfortunately the Serbs then started attacking from the wings and that caught the players by surprise and they panicked!! - as always i feel watching Wales, as soon as one player starts playing poorly it spreads to the rest of the team. We have been poorly in the past and come back, from Australia in Cardiff to England at Wembley in less than a month so there is no reason we can'do it again - one win and i'm sure the confidence will return and an improvement in results for the rest of the campaign.
|
|
|
|
Post by idiot on Sept 13, 2012 15:58:44 GMT
chris coleman loyal would have been a better id..nice effort though
|
|
|
|
Post by muaythai on Sept 13, 2012 16:09:22 GMT
ive calmed down a bit since tuesday, I honestly hope Coleman does well but I just cant see it. On the fence at the moment
|
|
|
|
Post by idiot on Sept 13, 2012 16:18:16 GMT
my fear is and still was that he just didnt have enough in his locker for the job,you can say he has european experience but its hardly years and years experience is it
i cant see him going down as a managerial great on international or domestic level
|
|
|
|
Post by muaythai on Sept 13, 2012 16:31:27 GMT
I look at Coleman and he just doesnt inspire me at all, this is his major downfall.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 17:55:50 GMT
got back from belgrade yesterday so have taken time to post on here and think about tuesdays disaster and what can be said the effort the players put in was pathetic (bale aside) ramsey couldnt complete a pass,joe allen 15 million not on that showing,the back four defended like a parks team,morison was a lazy b@stard who did'nt pressure the defence at any point did'nt chase down defenders at all,as for simon church felt sorry for him played on the wing when he has no pace!!AS for coleman he's totally out of his depth church on the wing,a defence that this time last year looked solid not knowing who to pick up on corners!!As for the subs he made god only knows what he was thinking!!!ITS pritty bloody obvious the players are not playing for him at all a big part of international football is man management and its obvious hes lost the changing room!!!!I'll be in croatia next month lets hope the players turn up because they never in novi sad!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 13, 2012 18:11:16 GMT
getting rid of Coleman? you're all talking absolute bullshit, 2 qualifiers and a few friendlies is nothing to judge upon, absolutely pointless to get rid of him, 1) he hasn't had a chance to prove himself yet 2) there's nobody out there to do a better job 3) can't chop and change manager and then expect us to be world beaters, truth is we're not that fucking good and it's going to take time for everything to settle, Judge Coleman after this campaign, you're not being fair at all, seriously proper pissing me off. Collison, Bellamy, Taylor, Ledley, Crofts, Hennessey all important players injured, none of our players really except for 1 or 2 are playing that well at club level at the moment, not even Gareth Bale, unlike this time last year, silly mistakes, footballs a funny old game. C'mon are you related to Chris Coleman? Maybe you want t see this link & the results of the survey Wales online undertook www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-news/2012/09/13/chris-coleman-to-meet-faw-chiefs-over-serbia-world-cup-flop-91466-31825113/www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=92291&sid=e295b9eb2fbc13dd1d7cf890536f74c9or maybe these statistics are wrong? www.walesonline.co.uk/footballnation/football-in-wales/2012/09/13/chris-coleman-makes-worst-ever-wales-manager-start-stats-91466-31824542/By the time the qualifiers/campaign has finished Wales will be lucky to have crowds of 2000 with Coleman & his mob in charge & long term totally ruin any chances of qualifying for Euro 2016. I agree the players must take some blame for the humiliating performance the other night, but they looked & played as if they had never played together not having a clue what they were supposed to be doing and playing hoofball football,the same players a few months earlier had outplayed England at Wembley & comfortably beat Switzerland and ripped apart Norway. An example of Coleman's coaching/management ability the other night The other night Vaughan came on at half time and the cameras showed him talking to Allen before the 2nd half kicked off they seemed to be talking about who was playing where, which was followed by a shrug by Vaughan who then appeared to point to his left saying "I'll play here then". And yes im still angry & tempted t go down the road t Kingsdown & erect a large sign with COLEMAN OUT |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 21:20:58 GMT
i noticed the vaughan shrug as well. i didn't know whethet to laugh or cry.
|
|
|
|
Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 13, 2012 22:52:37 GMT
i noticed the vaughan shrug as well. i didn't know whethet to laugh or cry. Aye it makes you wonder why they are paying him, he should be getting his instructions across clearly in the dressing room |
|
