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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2012 12:25:11 GMT
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2012 20:52:38 GMT
Disallowed goal that was a good goal for the Scots. Get rid of Coleman and congrats to G Bale who was responsible for the win. I know its negative after a win.
The positives was the passing between defence and midfield. Top class. Morison was horrible upfront. We need a Dean Saunders or a Rush from somewhere!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 21:03:13 GMT
Disallowed goal that was a good goal for the Scots. Get rid of Coleman and congrats to G Bale who was responsible for the win. I keep thinking I've heard it all....... Has it escaped your attention that Bale had a massive part to play in our 3 wins under Speed? He ran the show against Switzerland and got the winner against Bulgaria. I think you just hate Coleman. |
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Post by quetzal on Oct 12, 2012 21:09:39 GMT
I'm just trolling Storm. Thought i'd have a laugh. No congrats to Coleman and the team. You are only as good as your last game. Well done and i thought Vaughan and Allen dominated the midfield. Ramsey had a lovely/ugly game. Looked genius at times and pub player from the valleys at other times.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 12, 2012 21:44:29 GMT
Pathetic!! lets all get behind COOKIE and the players WALES WALES WALES!!!!
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Post by northerndragon on Oct 12, 2012 21:46:27 GMT
They showed heat we have to give it to them, gotta get behind them now
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Post by saints19 on Oct 12, 2012 21:47:19 GMT
It isn't really relevant how we won our games under Speed, we looked more defensively solid under him, at least during that run of wins. Hopefully the win will give us a lift and we will settle down a bit, as we did under Speed aftrour poor start. But to be honest I thought we got away with murder tonight. That defence (and the midfield which tarries on the ball too much) will get destroyed by a ruthless side like Croatia.
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Post by President Bale on Oct 12, 2012 22:19:40 GMT
Fantastic result lads - we f+cking needed that tonight!! Now lets head into that Croatia match with belief, grab some points, and do our nation proud.
Good effort to the fans who showed up too. Everyone Cardiff, Swansea, Newport way etc who stayed home, get your arses out of your bloody house, fill up those empty seats and get supporting your country.
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Post by alarch on Oct 12, 2012 22:50:06 GMT
Fletcher was miles offside at the point the goal kick is taken, for the flick-on for the first goal. Typical MOTD Wales punditry, completely failed to pick it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 23:39:42 GMT
We fully deserved to win and should have had 2 penalties anyway, hahahaha shut up coleman haters looking for anything to say against him, team played well tonight, deserved to win by more, Come On Cymru!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2012 23:56:31 GMT
Yeah I didn't expect people to be cock-a-hoop, but the prevailing mood of gloom is a bit harsh. There were signs before we got the equaliser that we were finding our old form.
I think Ramsey held us back and had he actually been on form we would have given a better account of ourselves- a lot of moves broke down through him when we looked to be building up momentum. How many great openings did we create that we contrived to spanner? I hope that with some confidence we will start putting more of these away.
Defensively we switched off too much, but I have always said that we would be a different team under Coleman when we got a win under our belt and I think we will be a lot more confident and composed in Croatia. It's just a pity that we have such a diabolical fixture in order to keep momentum so maybe our players will find that extra gear or level of concentration.
I actually thought that we looked quite solid when Scotland were playing in front of us and they looked to have run out of ideas. If we can keep that discipline and hit on the break in Croatia then a result is possible-- although typically just as I was impressed with the solidity in the very next move Blake undoes it all by switching off and gave Scotland a gift. Can we cut these mistakes out when it matters? I think We need a long term replacement for Blake, he's got a bit of the liability about him.
As well as a confidence boosting win Davies Cameo suggests that we have a serious alternative to Morison- I think defenders will find him a handful and he has to start against Croatia.
I'll finish by saying that if we played Scotland tomorrow with that win under our belts I suspect it would be a lot more comfortable. I don't think it's an indicator of a result in Croatia, but I'm glad we are going there with something to play for and some confidence in us, that will do for me, for now.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 13, 2012 0:00:39 GMT
Yeah I didn't expect people to be cock-a-hoop, but the prevailing mood of gloom is a bit harsh. There were signs before we got the equaliser that we were finding our old form. I think Ramsey held us back and had he actually been on form we would have given a better account of ourselves- a lot of moves broke down through him when we looked to be building up momentum. How many great openings did we create that we contrived to spanner? I hope that with some confidence we will start putting more of these away. Defensively we switched off too much, but I have always said that we would be a different team under Coleman when we got a win under our belt and I think we will be a lot more confident and composed in Croatia. It's just a pity that we have such a diabolical fixture in order to keep momentum so maybe our players will find that extra gear or level of concentration. I actually thought that we looked quite solid when Scotland were playing in front of us and they looked to have run out of ideas. If we can keep that discipline and hit on the break in Croatia then a result is possible-- although typically just as I was impressed with the solidity in the very next move Blake undoes it all by switching off and gave Scotland a gift. Can we cut these mistakes out when it matters? I think We need a long term replacement for Blake, he's got a bit of the liability about him. As well as a confidence boosting win Davies Cameo suggests that we have a serious alternative to Morison- I think defenders will find him a handful and he has to start against Croatia. I'll finish by saying that if we played Scotland tomorrow with that win under our belts I suspect it would be a lot more comfortable. I don't think it's an indicator of a result in Croatia, but I'm glad we are going there with something to play for and some confidence in us, that will do for me, for now. Good assesment mate, sensible positivity! |
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Post by georgetm1 on Oct 13, 2012 1:02:53 GMT
I would still give Coleman time. We were lucky at times but we deserved to win, and this result has made my week.
Bale kicks arse!
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Post by muaythai on Oct 13, 2012 8:49:46 GMT
Disallowed goal that was a good goal for the Scots. Get rid of Coleman and congrats to G Bale who was responsible for the win. I know its negative after a win. The positives was the passing between defence and midfield. Top class. Morison was horrible upfront. We need a Dean Saunders or a Rush from somewhere!!!! the scottish player was miles offside when he received the ball on the left. I just saw a replay of it on youtube, so even though the lino missed that it shouldnt of even gotten to that stage of play anyway. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Oct 13, 2012 10:09:45 GMT
What a truly shite thread after a great night and a good performance
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Post by thedon on Oct 16, 2012 22:08:13 GMT
Did anyone catch the post match interview with chris coleman after the game tonight,He actually had the cheek to say that we can take a lot of heart out of the performance,With all due respect,i felt the opposite,i was actually pretty down and crushed at the soul sucking defeat,i certainly didn't feel upbeat.
Not really sure where we can go from here as we have had pretty dour perfromances,the only brightness seems to be bale,Other than that it has been total and utter tripe.
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Post by foxmulder on Oct 16, 2012 22:30:42 GMT
Come on, look at the circumstances. After the win against Scotland, people were saying we were going to win this game. How exactly were we ever going to win this game without Ramsey, Bellamy, Taylor and Hennessey (I'd even put in Earnshaw, he's our only proven striker). Even before the Belgium game, this game was already lost even at full strength. If we had done well against Serbia then this is a game we could have afford to lose, as long as we are better in the home leg.
I think it is fair to take heart. Do you really, really, really think Wales should have gone to that shit hole of a 'football pitch', against one of the top 10 teams and Europe and tried to pass the ball into the box? No, the game plan was to clear their lines and hope it falls to Bale. I agree it's a pretty shit way to play football, but what else could be done?
They can take heart because they never dropped their heads unlike the horror show in Serbia. The pitch was 50% of the blame for the first goal. In the last 20 mins, they had a go. They even had a go in injury time - and they got close on a couple of occasions. Our under-strength team had shots on goal against Croatia. They forced errors upon Croatia. Take heart from that and take it into the next game with a (hopefully) full strength squad.
Yes they were outclassed, but how could anybody expect anything different?!
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 16, 2012 22:34:48 GMT
Come on, look at the circumstances. After the win against Scotland, people were saying we were going to win this game. How exactly were we ever going to win this game without Ramsey, Bellamy, Taylor and Hennessey (I'd even put in Earnshaw, he's our only proven striker). Even before the Belgium game, this game was already lost even at full strength. If we had done well against Serbia then this is a game we could have afford to lose, as long as we are better in the home leg. I think it is fair to take heart. Do you really, really, really think Wales should have gone to that shit hole of a 'football pitch', against one of the top 10 teams and Europe and tried to pass the ball into the box? No, the game plan was to clear their lines and hope it falls to Bale. I agree it's a pretty shit way to play football, but what else could be done? They can take heart because they never dropped their heads unlike the horror show in Serbia. The pitch was 50% of the blame for the first goal. In the last 20 mins, they had a go. They even had a go in injury time - and they got close on a couple of occasions. Our under-strength team had shots on goal against Croatia. They forced errors upon Croatia. Take heart from that and take it into the next game with a (hopefully) full strength squad. Yes they were outclassed, but how could anybody expect anything different?! Sensible post. It was only half a first choice team out there tonight. It would have been hard enough WITH Bellamy, Ramsey, Collison etc |
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Post by thedon on Oct 16, 2012 22:41:59 GMT
didn't expect to win but i did expect a better effort than that,It was pretty pathetic,If the expectation really is that as long as we don't drop our heads then we should be pleased then we are in a very serious state indeed,If we cannot even expect to compete then we can just forget about it.
There was nothing there tonight (with the exception of bale) to be proud of,we were really lousy and didn't compete at all,That is a pretty depressing state of affairs when the best we can expect is total and utter misery,and then to be told that we should be grateful for that really takes the cake.
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Post by foxmulder on Oct 16, 2012 22:57:18 GMT
Well sir, I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
Man, I hate that saying - more than the words 'pot' and 'porridge'.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 23:12:33 GMT
didn't expect to win but i did expect a better effort than that,It was pretty pathetic,If the expectation really is that as long as we don't drop our heads then we should be pleased then we are in a very serious state indeed,If we cannot even expect to compete then we can just forget about it. There was nothing there tonight (with the exception of bale) to be proud of,we were really lousy and didn't compete at all,That is a pretty depressing state of affairs when the best we can expect is total and utter misery,and then to be told that we should be grateful for that really takes the cake. We tried to compete but we struggled to get any passing going on that pitch. There are admittedly question marks over the tactics of just standing off them, Bowen was right when he said that we were too naive when they ran at us- while everytime we went forward they brought us down and slowed the game up. Although having said that I have no confidence in these away games that we would have been able to get away with cynical fouling to the extent they did. I would expect us to give them much more of a game in Cardiff - but away from home in Eastern Europe on a cabbage patch with a partisan crowd is a nightmare fixture and we really can't read too much into it as we already knew we weren't one of the top sides in the group even before ko tonight. We have to be better than the likes of Serbia, Scotland and Macedonia- that should be realistic and anything else we pick up is a bonus imo. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Oct 16, 2012 23:34:03 GMT
I think the shocking state of the pitch/potato field actually worked in our favour and kept the score down. Without the ball being able to be fizzed round so quickly disrupted the fluency to an extent of Croatia's passing and helped neutralise some of their attacks before the ball got in the box.
This doesnt affect us so much in that we have no passing fluency and our offensive plan relies on either humping the ball up to the resident donkey up front , whether that be Morrison or Vokes or the solo charges forward of Bale. Actually the latter tactic I feel was underutilised as Bale lets himself down from time to time by passing the ball to a teammate, when he should know full well that the result of this tactical option will be the opposition being gifted possession approximately 2 seconds later.
The question is, how do you teach players to have vision, awareness and comfort in possession that teams such as Croatia possess in abundance? Until we figure that out we will continue to be expected to 'take heart' from losing by fewer than 4 goals to such teams.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2012 23:45:41 GMT
I think the shocking state of the pitch/potato field actually worked in our favour and kept the score down. Without the ball being able to be fizzed round so quickly disrupted the fluency to an extent of Croatia's passing and helped neutralise some of their attacks before the ball got in the box. This doesnt affect us so much in that we have no passing fluency and our offensive plan relies on either humping the ball up to the resident donkey up front , whether that be Morrison or Vokes or the solo charges forward of Bale. Actually the latter tactic I feel was underutilised as Bale lets himself down from time to time by passing the ball to a teammate, when he should know full well that the result of this tactical option will be the opposition being gifted possession approximately 2 seconds later. The question is, how do you teach players to have vision, awareness and comfort in possession that teams such as Croatia possess in abundance? Until we figure that out we will continue to be expected to 'take heart' from losing by fewer than 4 goals to such teams. I thought they fizzed it around quite nicely on that pitch- remember the way their forward was put through on goal and Gunter fouled him to get a yellow? That came from the Croatian full back who pinged the ball right into the winger. On that pitch the winger had no right to control the ball and then flick it over his head to Modric who played a perfect through ball on the volley. You have no right to play football like that on a pitch that poor unless you are a top quality side. By contrast we looked like we were playing with a bar of soap in the bath every time we tried to pass, no-one ever really had it under control apart from Allen. We weren't exactly on top form against Scotland with our passing, but we weren't even able to reach those standards on that pitch and it wasn't hard to tell who was able to adapt better to the conditions. Obviously the best team won, but we have every right to ask questions about why that venue was chosen when they usually play matches in Zagreb. As others have said, we may as well play at the Racecourse if that sort of pitch is deemed international standard. |
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Post by rob on Oct 17, 2012 23:43:23 GMT
First point, Jonathan Ford said had to be improvement in these 2 games . Is coming within a couple of minutes to losing/drawing v Scotland and being ridiculously outclassed and outplayed by Croatia progress ?
Craig Levein is under serious pressure - but only one point less than us , and less defeats ( no 6-1 drubbing either). Trappatoni given v.o.con. too. Are we really doing better than these 2 countries ? The Serbia defeat still happenned,still only 1 player scored in group (Bale),still strange squad selections (No Williams,Cotterill last games - does he watch league 1 out of interest ? Higher level than Swansea reserves.), strange substitutions - Church once again on Tuesday !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People seem to be oblivious to the shambles . Hope FAW have not forgotten their comment from Ford before the games.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 18, 2012 9:21:56 GMT
Completely agree,
Welsh football is in a shambolic state right now. The quality of players are better but we are worse off than the toshack era! At least we had the under 21s then.
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Post by llannerch on Oct 18, 2012 9:38:18 GMT
Levein has had 2 years in the job and gone nowhere. Coleman has had 6 games in 8 months. The comparison is spurious
"Ridiculously outclassed and outplayed by Croatia" yet you query whether Coleman watches League 1. What you suggest a player(s) at that level would have done better vs Croatia than those who played will be the coaching equivalent of the Holy Grail
His substitutions have largely been very good I've thought. The right changes at the right times more or less. Given his options swapping Vokes for Morison is about as much as he can do.
Questions do need asking, but you've asked the wrong ones
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Post by llannerch on Oct 18, 2012 9:39:20 GMT
Coleman has also been bang on with his stance on Bellamy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 10:39:20 GMT
Stop apologising for him llannerch - its been a complete and utter disaster (as some of us predicted - not you I might add). We are pretty much out of the 2014 WC - and definitely out if we keep him at the helm.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Oct 18, 2012 11:00:51 GMT
Sack him now. Let the loonies have Hartson so he can show his uselessness, get rid of Hartson and appoint a proper manager with time to prepare for the next tournament.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2012 11:01:00 GMT
Stop apologising for him llannerch - its been a complete and utter disaster (as some of us predicted - not you I might add). We are pretty much out of the 2014 WC - and definitely out if we keep him at the helm. Who do we get in instead? The flying Dutchman I suppose, what if he wins 1 game in a year ? Sack him and hire again? If this was club football I would be the first to want Coleman out, but as llannerch pointed out he has to work with what he's got at international level and so far beating Scotland is about what we can expect. We simply aren't good enough to challenge Belgium or Croatia- 3rd however should be achievable and we are still on course for that. |
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