Chris Coleman

[flynnfan]

I know I previously said there's no rush, but with us out of contention to qualify,I wonder if this would be a good idea now? After all, will Coleman struggle for motivation to get us up to 3rd spot if he knows he'll not be in charge anyway?

The last thing this young squad needs now is another change of manager, following on from the trauma of Speed'd death. and its obvious the players like, and want to do well for, Coleman.

Its seems the FAW want Giggs, but why can't they wait till 2016 at least? And if Giggs genuinely wants to be our manager he can wait till then too. and if he's any sort of man at all ( and given some of his behaviour you have to wonder...) he should tell the FAW that Cookie deserves longer in the job if they come sniffing round him again.

For me, Coleman has already done enough to be given a crack at reaching the 24 team Euros in France. I like the way he talks so positively about this being a genuine possibilitly too. The FAW should back him.

www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/27/chris-coleman-wales-manager

[welshiron]

I don't agree, whilst there have been positives over the last few games the only points we have picked up have been against Scotland.

If we only pick up 2-3 points from here in he should not get another campaign

Maybe the FAW should set a target for Coleman say minimum 5 points, once those ponts are acheived he is given another 2 years,

[alarch]

I agree 100%. Coleman has proved himself over the past two games, and deserves another crack at qualification. We can do without yet more change.

I will make one minor criticism of Coleman mind. After the match, he criticised the team for dropping deeper and deeper after the hour. Fair enough - but might taking a winger off, and replacing him with a defensive mid, in Richards, just after the hour, have something to do with that? If he's honest with himself I think he would acknowledge that he got that call wrong.

[abwales]

No!

[flynnfan]

Pretty good piece from Mark Pitman: blogs.walesonline.co.uk/sport/2013/03/success-extends-beyond-scoreli.html

[Deleted]

Well according to some reports Coleman is looking for a return to club management, preferably overseas, after the qualifying campaign. He misses the day to day involvement of the club game.

For someone who has always been a hard critic of his appointment, this seems s shame now as the signs that things are developing well under his tenure are clear to see.

Maybe though, we are witnessing the development of a system similar to Swansea with respect to the national team. A passing, more technically based game, started by Toshack and continued by Speed and Coleman. Maybe a change in manager (albeit in better circumstances) next time will not adversely affect the upward curve we are on but continue to enhance it?

[Deleted]

Long term and performances are a million times more important than the present results. Coleman is doing very well, the players are backing him up as well. It would be stupid to get anyone else in instead of him.

[Deleted]

Hmm, as a supporter of his this seems a bit shabby imo. He seems to have come into the job to try and bridge the circumstances of Speed's death to a more longer term manager. Whilst on the surface that seems very noble how it has actually worked out leaves me feeling very disappointed.

When Coleman took the job he was obviously coaching a piss pot Greek team so it was a step up for him. He battled through some hard times and has now reached a point where he has all but proven that he can coach a team in an attractive style of football and taken us further in our development, albeit after an initial teething period. Now he has proved what he presumably wanted to prove he is angling for a route back in to club management at a decent level, having used us a temporary stepping stone- all seems very disappointing to me.

I hope that when he took the job he was unaware quite how much down time there is between matches, because otherwise I can't help but think that this was his plan all along, to be an interim manager.

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Mar 28, 2013 23:12:10 GMT @storm said:

Hmm, as a supporter of his this seems a bit shabby imo. He seems to have come into the job to try and bridge the circumstances of Speed's death to a more longer term manager. Whilst on the surface that seems very noble how it has actually worked out leaves me feeling very disappointed.

When Coleman took the job he was obviously coaching a piss pot Greek team so it was a step up for him. He battled through some hard times and has now reached a point where he has all but proven that he can coach a team in an attractive style of football and taken us further in our development, albeit after an initial teething period. Now he has proved what he presumably wanted to prove he is angling for a route back in to club management at a decent level, having used us a temporary stepping stone- all seems very disappointing to me.

I hope that when he took the job he was unaware quite how much down time there is between matches, because otherwise I can't help but think that this was his plan all along, to be an interim manager.

Agreed.

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Mar 28, 2013 23:12:10 GMT @storm said:

Hmm, as a supporter of his this seems a bit shabby imo. He seems to have come into the job to try and bridge the circumstances of Speed's death to a more longer term manager. Whilst on the surface that seems very noble how it has actually worked out leaves me feeling very disappointed.

When Coleman took the job he was obviously coaching a piss pot Greek team so it was a step up for him. He battled through some hard times and has now reached a point where he has all but proven that he can coach a team in an attractive style of football and taken us further in our development, albeit after an initial teething period. Now he has proved what he presumably wanted to prove he is angling for a route back in to club management at a decent level, having used us a temporary stepping stone- all seems very disappointing to me.

I hope that when he took the job he was unaware quite how much down time there is between matches, because otherwise I can't help but think that this was his plan all along, to be an interim manager.

Don't 95% of managers see the wales job as a stepping stone?- Flynn being an obvious exception) Happened also with Mr Sanchez in NI and McCleish left the jocks for a club job while on the verge of qualifying?

It could well be that Ford told Coleman it was qualification or bust and has been working behind the scenes to line up Giggs for the next campaign. After all, Giggs would have finished his one year contract extension at that point. However, should he still be playing to a reasonable standard I could see him wanting another year at Manure (hey that rhymes!) to reach 1,000 games. Giggs would no doubt leave as soon as the Manure job or another better offer came along but he would know that in 12 to 18 months this Wales squad will really be hitting its straps. An impressive 2 year stint at the wales helm in qualification in a 24 expanded Euros will put him instantly right up there as one of the most sought after young managers in Europe. And he has done all his A badges.

Do we accept this as a fait accompli with every Wales manager as a 'temporary' manager? It looks like yes do and as a result we will have to adopt/continue to adopt the Swansea model where a change in manager can enhance the development of the side on systems rooted in the passing technical game. It seems logical to me now.

[flynnfan]

Mar 29, 2013 8:02:26 GMT @baresi said:

Mar 28, 2013 23:12:10 GMT @storm said:

Hmm, as a supporter of his this seems a bit shabby imo. He seems to have come into the job to try and bridge the circumstances of Speed's death to a more longer term manager. Whilst on the surface that seems very noble how it has actually worked out leaves me feeling very disappointed.

When Coleman took the job he was obviously coaching a piss pot Greek team so it was a step up for him. He battled through some hard times and has now reached a point where he has all but proven that he can coach a team in an attractive style of football and taken us further in our development, albeit after an initial teething period. Now he has proved what he presumably wanted to prove he is angling for a route back in to club management at a decent level, having used us a temporary stepping stone- all seems very disappointing to me.

I hope that when he took the job he was unaware quite how much down time there is between matches, because otherwise I can't help but think that this was his plan all along, to be an interim manager.

Don't 95% of managers see the wales job as a stepping stone?- Flynn being an obvious exception) Happened also with Mr Sanchez in NI and McCleish left the jocks for a club job while on the verge of qualifying?

It could well be that Ford told Coleman it was qualification or bust and has been working behind the scenes to line up Giggs for the next campaign. After all, Giggs would have finished his one year contract extension at that point. However, should he still be playing to a reasonable standard I could see him wanting another year at Manure (hey that rhymes!) to reach 1,000 games. Giggs would no doubt leave as soon as the Manure job or another better offer came along but he would know that in 12 to 18 months this Wales squad will really be hitting its straps. An impressive 2 year stint at the wales helm in qualification in a 24 expanded Euros will put him instantly right up there as one of the most sought after young managers in Europe. And he has done all his A badges.

Do we accept this as a fait accompli with every Wales manager as a 'temporary' manager? It looks like yes do and as a result we will have to adopt/continue to adopt the Swansea model where a change in manager can enhance the development of the side on systems rooted in the passing technical game. It seems logical to me now.

Good post, but I think its worth mentioning the traumatic effect that Speed's death had on our young squad. The last thing I think our players need is losing another manager who they obviously like, and believe in.

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Mar 29, 2013 10:28:03 GMT flynnfan said:

Mar 29, 2013 8:02:26 GMT @baresi said:

Don't 95% of managers see the wales job as a stepping stone?- Flynn being an obvious exception) Happened also with Mr Sanchez in NI and McCleish left the jocks for a club job while on the verge of qualifying?

It could well be that Ford told Coleman it was qualification or bust and has been working behind the scenes to line up Giggs for the next campaign. After all, Giggs would have finished his one year contract extension at that point. However, should he still be playing to a reasonable standard I could see him wanting another year at Manure (hey that rhymes!) to reach 1,000 games. Giggs would no doubt leave as soon as the Manure job or another better offer came along but he would know that in 12 to 18 months this Wales squad will really be hitting its straps. An impressive 2 year stint at the wales helm in qualification in a 24 expanded Euros will put him instantly right up there as one of the most sought after young managers in Europe. And he has done all his A badges.

Do we accept this as a fait accompli with every Wales manager as a 'temporary' manager? It looks like yes do and as a result we will have to adopt/continue to adopt the Swansea model where a change in manager can enhance the development of the side on systems rooted in the passing technical game. It seems logical to me now.

Good post, but I think its worth mentioning the traumatic effect that Speed's death had on our young squad. The last thing I think our players need is losing another manager who they obviously like, and believe in.

I would say to Coleman that he could have a contract extension on a better package should we finish in 3rd place in the group. I would not give it to him just yet. Make them all work for it.

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IF Giggs has been asked by Jonathan Ford, who'll be keeping his seat warm for him then until he retires May 2014? Osian Roberts? There'd still have to matches played this November, then February 2014.

[flynnfan]

Mar 29, 2013 11:48:02 GMT alternativewales said:

IF Giggs has been asked by Jonathan Ford, who'll be keeping his seat warm for him then until he retires May 2014? Osian Roberts? There'd still have to matches played this November, then February 2014.

Would be a stupid situation.

[dayoo87]

An awful lot had to go our way to have any hope of qualifying from this group. 3rd will be a big achievement considering Coleman had to try and pick up the pieces following the loss of Gary Speed.

I hope Coleman does stay on as we seem to have turned a corner in the past 3 games, however I wouldn't blame him if he took a (probably better paid) club job after this campaign. When we can't get 20,000 fans along to watch a must-win match against a top 10 side in the world it would make me question why I bothered.

[flynnfan]

Mar 29, 2013 13:03:19 GMT dayoo87 said:

An awful lot had to go our way to have any hope of qualifying from this group. 3rd will be a big achievement considering Coleman had to try and pick up the pieces following the loss of Gary Speed.

I hope Coleman does stay on as we seem to have turned a corner in the past 3 games, however I wouldn't blame him if he took a (probably better paid) club job after this campaign. When we can't get 20,000 fans along to watch a must-win match against a top 10 side in the world it would make me question why I bothered.

Really was a shit attendance and you have to wonder if we should take any qualifying games to Swansea at this point...

[saints19]

No contract extension just yet. We'll have to see where we are at the end of the group, and how we have played in our remaining matches by then. We have beaten Scotland twice, but we still have some very meaningful games to come.

The two games against Macedonia and the home game v Serbia are very important. I'd say we're good enough to finish third in this group, and would hope to see us get at least 6 points from our remaining games. I don't expect us to get anything in Belgium but you never know, it's not beyond us to do so. Every game is important and Coleman still needs to show he can deliver performances and results against a variety of teams. The Austria win was good but it was a friendly. A contract extension now would be the wrong move. If Coleman did leave I feel we could attract a manager of similar quality to do the job next campaign.

[stu]

The most logical explanation for all this is that Coleman wants to FAW to sort him out with a better contract. That is why he is making the noises he's making. He wants assurances and security in his job the same as we would.

[Tim P]

Mar 29, 2013 14:51:53 GMT stu said:

The most logical explanation for all this is that Coleman wants to FAW to sort him out with a better contract. That is why he is making the noises he's making. He wants assurances and security in his job the same as we would.

This.

It's a classic contract play, nothing more.

[Baxter Cymru]

Sport Wales tonight BBC 2 Wales 8pm

Will manager Chris Coleman commit his long-term future to Wales? Or will the decision be taken out of his hands?

After last month's World Cup qualifier against Croatia, Coleman cast doubt on his future by revealing his frustrations with international football, as well as his ambition to manage abroad again.

So we ask the man himself whether he's likely to ask for a contract extension beyond its summer 2014 expiry date.

And we put chief executive Jonathan Ford on the spot to ask whether the Football Association of Wales plan to offer the former Fulham boss a new deal.

We also have world football legend Michel Platini on the show as he opens the FAW's new football development centre in Newport, a facility aimed at improving and assisting the development of future Welsh football stars as well as providing Coleman's team with a permanent training base.

Hope Cookie stays still has his doubters and imo he always will have but he has done a good job and we are starting to click now!!

[saints19]

Our renaissance is limited to beating Scotland twice, Austria once and putting on a decent show (but still losing) at home to Croatia. If Coleman goes I wouldn't be too bothered, my only fear is that we'd end up with Giggs next, which would be a disaster second only to hiring Shearer like Cardiff were considering.

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What was said then? I missed it. Cheers!

[saints19]

As title. Read an article in some rag the other day (possibly the Welsh Mirror, but can't remember), suggesting he was about to be offered a new deal.

What do you think of this?

Personally, I reckon he's got it all to prove. He's done an OK-ish job and the squad seem happy with him, but aside from the squad being happy with him I'm not sure what positive effect he has had on the team. Tactically he hasn't offered much in the way of originality, which is OK because Speed had a decent set-up, but we need to be constantly evolving in this area.

Results are key, surely there's no rush to tie him down at present? Can't imagine he has a slew of offers waiting for him.

[Tim P]

Agree. He needs to demonstrate ongoing progress in the remaining group games. If he does well he should be given another contract for the next campaign. If you're doing well contracts mean nothing anyway (barring a release clause) - but if it goes wrong, it's the FAW who have to stump up the money if they want to sack someone (which could keep us with a dead manager for longer than is helpful).

[abwales]

He has great passion, but lacks ability. The set-up also feels very unprofessional.

I will be extremely disappointed if his contract gets renewed. We need to go foreign.

[treharne]

I'm not sure Coleman would want to continue.
He stated a while ago he misses the day to day stuff with the players, and it seems like his weeks are full of visiting schools, seminars, opening things, etc rather than basic football coaching. I suspect he is bored and frustrated with the matches being spread so thinly. He is still young for a manager. Most international managers are nearer retirement.

He said he would look to work abroad.

I would keep him if he wants to keep the job. He is doing ok. I may be being over critical of the selection people, but Would you trust the FAW to select a good replacement ? Honestly ?
I know they picked Speed and Dutch Ray but they struck lucky there because few knew of Dutch Ray and Speed was days away from the sack at his Shefield United.

[llannerch]

Jul 2, 2013 23:19:32 GMT abwales said:

The set-up also feels very unprofessional.

What does this mean? Unless it's code for Dutch Ray isn't there any more

Jul 2, 2013 23:19:32 GMT abwales said:

I will be extremely disappointed if his contract gets renewed. We need to go foreign.

After all the upheaval we have had continuity is crucial. He should stay

[Deleted]

Not yet - he needs a strong finish to the group - similar the the last group with Speed.

[abwales]

Its not code for no Dutch Ray. Its having people like John Hartson as part of the coaching staff. What's his past experience? Working as a part time striking coach for a conference club?

We don't need continuity. We need a manager who has been there and done it or who has the potential to do it. Coleman has neither the experience or the potential. We can't keep renewing managers contracts who have done terribly just so we can have continuity.

[flynnfan]

Usually the FAW have got the timing of these things so wrong- Toshacks extension BEFORE the crucial Finland home game was a case in point. I think it's a bit early for Coleman... lets see where we end up in this campaign, but if we finish 3rd he'll definitely deserve an extension.