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Post by youngdragon on Sept 10, 2013 21:19:33 GMT
Not to rub salt in wounds. But Iceland are currently in the playoffs with a home game against Cyprus who are bottom and away to a Norway team we thumped remaining. And could potentially garunteed themselves a play off spot at the Cyprus game with a game to spare
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Post by georgetm1 on Sept 11, 2013 9:32:57 GMT
I loved Colemans excuse for not using Bale on Friday by saying that he wasn't fit enough to play. So why was he on the bench then? As much as I like the guy, he needs to go because he completely showing himself up as an amateur and its damaging the national team and any future career he hopes to have.
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2013 9:37:18 GMT
Watch Bale go and play 90mins for Madrid next week. Laughable how this situation has panned out, but I dunno if this is all Coleman's fault or the people behind the screens.
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Post by Bass Drum Barry on Sept 11, 2013 9:56:21 GMT
I loved Colemans excuse for not using Bale on Friday by saying that he wasn't fit enough to play. So why was he on the bench then? As much as I like the guy, he needs to go because he completely showing himself up as an amateur and its damaging the national team and any future career he hopes to have. Coleman has already explained his reasons, it was an attempt at 'mind games' and had we won the game, he never would have had stick for it. Sadly it didn't pay off. What I want to know is - if Giggs is appointed Wales manager, who's going to be in charge of the friendlies? |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 11, 2013 11:39:57 GMT
I think the FAW should set Coleman a target- beat Macedonia at home in our next game (which should be possible - we don't have anyone suspended do we?) and you get a contract for the euro 2016 campaign. Lose or draw and bye Chris, thanks for your efforts..
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Post by dai on Sept 11, 2013 12:24:34 GMT
Thing is, the Macedonia and Serbia matches should have been must wins, or at least 2/3 points out of both. Losing both games is unacceptable, especially now the scots beat macedonia away. That highlights even further how poor we've been, and our failure to rise to the challenge. However I do feel we've been very unlucky at times as well, such as the bellamy freekick, and Bale missing a golden chance vs Croatia at home. But, I strongly believe you create your own luck as well, which he haven't done.
Lol @ the Giggs in charge of friendlies comment. Funny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 9:15:26 GMT
Chris Coleman will be given backing by his FA of Wales bosses because “We wish to avoid a knee-jerk reaction.”
But Coleman has been warned in no uncertain terms significant change is needed in Wales’ fortunes to justify the new two-year contract he is being given.
Chris Whitley, chairman of the FAW’s powerful International Committee which is responsible for the national team, spelt out the message ahead of a meeting convened for tomorrow.
FAW bosses will discuss what has gone so horrendously wrong in this World Cup qualifying campaign and look to put in place a strategy which they believe will lead to Wales qualifying for Euro 2016.
But it will be with Coleman at the helm.
Whitley explaining: “We can totally understand the reaction from the fans calling for Chris to go. I’m desperately disappointed myself to see the results achieved to date.
“But demanding a change in the manager is the type of knee-jerk reaction of football in general these days when your team loses two or three games in a row.
“Remember, Chris inherited the job in exceptionally difficult circumstances. To get him out, and someone else in, would be an upheaval we could do without.
“At this moment in time, I’m comfortable with Chris getting his new contract.
“That said, if things don’t improve as we believe they should, clearly we would need to take an even closer look at the situation, look at people’s positions.”
Whitley emphasised the International Committee meeting scheduled for tomorrow morning had been pencilled into the diary for a while.
But Wales’ back-to-back losses to Macedonia and Serbia, and their horrendous slump to the bottom of Group A, will invariably lead to demands for answers from the manager.
Whitley added: “You can chop and change a manager as much as you want – and it happens in football, we know that – but it’s not always the answer.
“Chris and his staff need to take a critical look at themselves, which they will. Then we need to put in place a strategic plan to ensure improvement is immediate.
“A lot has been said about ‘the Welsh way’, which is something Gary Speed started doing with us. That means the preparation of the players is first class, but clearly there is a missing link somewhere.
“It’s too simplistic to say that is the manager. We need to work with him to determine what that missing link really is.
“Then we can move forward properly.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 9:16:07 GMT
Chris Whitley is a former headmaster.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2013 9:19:43 GMT
Keep him at the helm, as long as he gets rid of Symons,, Hartson, page etc and brings in an experienced assistant. The best we can hope for considering all the backing he 's getting.
Even Steve Clarke would be better than those muppets
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 9:40:47 GMT
Keep him at the helm, as long as he gets rid of Symons,, Hartson, page etc and brings in an experienced assistant. The best we can hope for considering all the backing he 's getting. Even Steve Clarke would be better than those muppets I will never understand why he didn't retain the services of verheijen after Speed's death - for continuity, for the players, to continue the development. It was Coleman's pig headedness and look where its got him. I predict his new assistant will be...................Tony Pulis. Bananaman basically said it and he's the mouthpiece. Really you wouldn't make it up. Keystone cops. |
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Post by President Bale on Sept 12, 2013 9:45:49 GMT
FAW strategic plan = stick with someone who's a proven fuck up, get some new assistants in to help him better implement his failings, hope for the best.
My favourite quote from the article:
“A lot has been said about ‘the Welsh way’, which is something Gary Speed started doing with us. That means the preparation of the players is first class, but clearly there is a missing link somewhere."
Here's a completely bat shit crazy idea for you Whitley, perhaps that missing link might actually be Chris Coleman...?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 10:31:12 GMT
It's funny because when Coleman arrived at his first press conference and he was asked about the players preference for continuity he said 'I'm the boss' and the 'tail doesn't wag the dog' - lots of bullish talking.
Well old Chris Whitley here says “That said, if things don’t improve as we believe they should, clearly we would need to take an even closer look at the situation, look at people’s positions.”
Well it seems it is up to the players now at home to Macedonia and away to Belgium - Coleman's future lay in their hands. I wonder how many of them will bother to turn up?
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2013 10:49:43 GMT
I will never understand why he didn't retain the services of verheijen after Speed's death Because Verheijen was planning on leaving - even before Speed died - and had no intention whatsoever of staying. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2013 10:56:19 GMT
Because Verheijen was planning on leaving - even before Speed died - and had no intention whatsoever of staying. He publicly stated he wanted to be manager. I think he said he would review his position because of FAW interference but if rumours are to be believed so was speed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 11:08:29 GMT
He publicly stated he wanted to be manager. I think he said he would review his position because of FAW interference but if rumours are to be believed so was speed. "In the first few months of 2011, Gary played according to the FAW rules, so he accepted that structure. But like Craig Bellamy wrote in his book in the summer of 2011, Gary decided to do it his way and from then on he made decisions on his own. He didn't involve those dinosaurs of the committee anymore and that was the start of our success. It is unbelievable in modern football that the decision-making process of a national team is done with a group of 75-year-olds at all." RV The FAW obviously didn't appreciate Speed & Verheijen making quicker decisions that benefited the national team but overrode antiquated FAW procedures and were probably making life difficult for Speed/RV. Speed & RV obviously were in a position to 'review their positions' from a position of strength ahving won 4 of their last 5 games and overseeing an enormous hike up the FIFA rankings. Wake up trendy. |
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Post by toshfan on Sept 12, 2013 12:34:32 GMT
Keep him at the helm, as long as he gets rid of Symons,, Hartson, page etc and brings in an experienced assistant. The best we can hope for considering all the backing he 's getting. Even Steve Clarke would be better than those muppets You are entitled to your opinion about them all but none of them are muppets. They are men who have given their best to Welsh Football. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 12:42:37 GMT
Keep him at the helm, as long as he gets rid of Symons,, Hartson, page etc and brings in an experienced assistant. The best we can hope for considering all the backing he 's getting. Even Steve Clarke would be better than those muppets You are entitled to your opinion about them all but none of them are muppets. They are men who have given their best to Welsh Football. And unfortunately as players or coaches their best has been nowhere near good enough to get to to a major championships. Radical change is required. |
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Post by toshfan on Sept 12, 2013 12:50:20 GMT
A legitimate point of view that I partly share.
But baresi, what was your position when there was indeed radical change was taking place - probably the most radical in modern times - during the Toshack years?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 13:07:10 GMT
A legitimate point of view that I partly share. But baresi, what was your position when there was indeed radical change was taking place - probably the most radical in modern times - during the Toshack years? I thought the same as you. When he took over it was in a thousand pieces all over the floor. He started from scratch. He appointed Flynn and knew he had to grow the talent base (as he had to do in the Basque country). He knew we had to change radically and play a more technical game to achieve anything. He developed the personnel with Flynn's help and it was starting to look very promising with the Ramsey destruction of Scotland. Then Ramsey broke his leg and the start of the Euro 12 campaign was hugely affected. After the opening defeat in Montenegro (0-1 - Collins fuck up) I thought he left too soon although I do think his management style was probably a little abrasive (but being a Canton boy myself - I can understand that!). I think ultimately he was unlucky that all of his efforts did not result in a campaign that started well and snowballed although Speed was a beneficiary of the foundations laid. My concern now is that all that hard work is being thrown out of the window by the FAW and the current management team. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2013 13:10:45 GMT
A legitimate point of view that I partly share. But baresi, what was your position when there was indeed radical change was taking place - probably the most radical in modern times - during the Toshack years? Radical?!! Toshack? The most radical change came with speed, a whole new modern Wales. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 12, 2013 13:48:16 GMT
As I suspected, given that it was only Coleman talking about the offer of a new contract, the decision to re-appoint Coleman is from certain. What's clear is that we need a much better showing in the last two games for Coleman to be given the extension. I reckon a win against Macedonia will suffice (which might be enough at the end to secure 4th spot). With a reasonably strong team that shouldn't be a big ask.
In examining Coleman's record I would like to think that the powers that be ask some pertinent questions of Coleman. Why exactly did he drop Vaughan for Crofts? Why does he persist with Ledley and Collison on the wing? These are legitimate questions - and Coleman should be able to justify his actions. I have a sneaky suspicion that Coleman, like many in the media, blamed Vaughan for the Macedonian winner because his poor control (probably caused by the uneven surface) started the move that led to the goal. But any detailed examination of the video shows that Ricketts, Gunter and Bellamy were much bigger culprits. Did Coleman study the footage after the game, or did he just make a gut decision. His answers to highly specific questions like this will reveal the extent of his professionalism. I suspect that he's just winging it, but we'll never know for sure, because the proper scrutiny isn't being applied.
It's not only Coleman that's in the spotlight here, but also the accountability mechanisms of the FAW.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 12, 2013 13:53:29 GMT
njdragon, nonsense! I cannot believe that any Welsh supporter did not understand the Toshack years.
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Post by njdragon on Sept 12, 2013 14:05:51 GMT
I can see what you mean about the development of youth players and the restructuring, putting flynn in charge of youth across the board but what else did the Romans do for us?
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2013 15:28:47 GMT
"In the first few months of 2011, Gary played according to the FAW rules, so he accepted that structure. But like Craig Bellamy wrote in his book in the summer of 2011, Gary decided to do it his way and from then on he made decisions on his own. He didn't involve those dinosaurs of the committee anymore and that was the start of our success. It is unbelievable in modern football that the decision-making process of a national team is done with a group of 75-year-olds at all." RV The FAW obviously didn't appreciate Speed & Verheijen making quicker decisions that benefited the national team but overrode antiquated FAW procedures and were probably making life difficult for Speed/RV. Speed & RV obviously were in a position to 'review their positions' from a position of strength ahving won 4 of their last 5 games and overseeing an enormous hike up the FIFA rankings. Wake up trendy. No, you're right. Verheijen's track record is one of loyalty, commitment and longevity. Irrespective of Speed's death, he was on his way. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 15:51:31 GMT
No, you're right. Verheijen's track record is one of loyalty, commitment and longevity. Irrespective of Speed's death, he was on his way. How did you get this information? |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2013 15:56:54 GMT
How did you get this information? I intercepted a telegram from the FAW head office  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 16:17:43 GMT
I intercepted a telegram from the FAW head office Can you intercept Coleman's contract and burn it? |
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Post by Tim P on Sept 12, 2013 16:27:19 GMT
Can you intercept Coleman's contract and burn it? I wish! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2013 16:40:40 GMT
Chris Coleman's barmy army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by luke on Sept 12, 2013 16:40:46 GMT
I'm ambivalent about this. I simply don't know either way anymore.
My concern is what will happen to attendances if we don't get some points out of the next two games. We will be in a very serious crisis. I don't really have any answers though.
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