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Post by Tim P on Oct 6, 2013 17:04:28 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that the Swansea players disliked Sousa, but had he stayed and got them promoted I suppose they would have put up with it. That's what's tough about international football - you need to get the players' respect immediately otherwise you're done. You haven't got a game every week to win them over and show that you know what you're doing.
It's immaterial though; Sousa would not leave his current project for Wales.
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 17:12:53 GMT
It's fairly common knowledge that the Swansea players disliked Sousa, but had he stayed and got them promoted I suppose they would have put up with it. That's what's tough about international football - you need to get the players' respect immediately otherwise you're done. You haven't got a game every week to win them over and show that you know what you're doing. It's immaterial though; Sousa would not leave his current project for Wales. You are probably right, plus there are two other good options who are not even contracted to clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 17:13:06 GMT
Ramsey won't be available......nobody from our top 6/7 players will be available. that, to me, will be that. It was never a case of sending memos to each other to miss the Macedonia game. It was always a simple case of being under a shite manager and needing an important rest for arsenal ahead of some very big games after the international break. Against Serbia, before Bale came on, he tried his best but every time he looked up there was nothing available - no outlets, no movement, zip. he was always going to pull a hammy or something to get out of playing in this double header. of course, under a more inspired set up and with a chance of qualification and making history, Ramsey, and everyone else would be desparate to pull on the red of Wales. Coleman is finished. It's just not official yet. Can't wait for a Bellamy & Dutch Ray combo. |
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Post by toshfan on Oct 6, 2013 17:15:22 GMT
Can't wait for a Bellamy & Dutch Ray combo. Surprised to see that from a fellow Toshack man. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 18:26:20 GMT
Ramsey won't be available......nobody from our top 6/7 players will be available. that, to me, will be that. It was never a case of sending memos to each other to miss the Macedonia game. It was always a simple case of being under a shite manager and needing an important rest for arsenal ahead of some very big games after the international break. Against Serbia, before Bale came on, he tried his best but every time he looked up there was nothing available - no outlets, no movement, zip. he was always going to pull a hammy or something to get out of playing in this double header. of course, under a more inspired set up and with a chance of qualification and making history, Ramsey, and everyone else would be desparate to pull on the red of Wales. Coleman is finished. It's just not official yet. Can't wait for a Bellamy & Dutch Ray combo. If their desire to play for Wales is conditional on how well we are doing in a group, then they don't deserve to play at a World Cup because they are obviously unwilling to slog it out through the hard times. That's exactly the problem with football at the moment, no-one wants to do any real graft, only turn up when the going is good and the glory is within spitting distance, Collins epitomises this. Part of our problem is that there has been a current of fecklessness in certain players ever since Yorath left. Okay it obviously doesn't help if the FAW are seen to be letting the ship slide, but it will be totally galling should we ever qualify to see some of our players giving it the big one on the world stage about how proud they are for the opportunity yada fucking yada when they weren't there for us when the chips were down. I don't believe it yet about Ramsey giving it a miss, but if it turns out to be true Ramsey needs to remember how the Welsh setup supported him and continued to pick him even when he was playing like shit and being scapegoated by Arsenal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 18:43:56 GMT
I wouldn't blame him one little bit.
Its about picking and choosing the right battles and playing 180 minutes in the next week for Wales is a complete and utter waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 18:52:28 GMT
I wouldn't blame him one little bit. Its about picking and choosing the right battles and playing 180 minutes in the next week for Wales is a complete and utter waste of time. If everyone had that attitude we wouldn't even be able to fulfill our fixtures and Wales wouldn't even have an international team. Still at least we could all support England then eh? |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 6, 2013 18:53:41 GMT
I wouldn't blame him one little bit. Its about picking and choosing the right battles and playing 180 minutes in the next week for Wales is a complete and utter waste of time. Silly attitude, every game for Wales is important! |
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Post by abwales on Oct 6, 2013 19:08:33 GMT
I hope he pulls out. It would be best for him and best for us.
#FAWREFORM
#CRAPPYCOLEMANOUT
#BOYCOTT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 19:10:02 GMT
Baxter, you have been a coleman cheerleader from the start. Some of us knew it was a disaster waiting to happen. So you and storm can bleat all you like. I can't wait for this campaign to finish.
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Post by hookd on Oct 6, 2013 19:24:58 GMT
Come on. It is stupid wishing for the worst. We should always want our team to win, otherwise what is the point? If us fans can't wish us the best for every game then how the hell can we expect the players to give their 100% commitment for every game! I would love us to guts out a 1-0 win vs Macdedonia and then put in a respectable performance vs Belgium. If that means Coleman keeps his job then so be it. If we kept wishing we'd lose, so a manager gets sacked following a bad run of results/performances then we would only support our team on a few rare occasions. For goodness sake wake up everybody and get behind the team!!!
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 6, 2013 19:40:10 GMT
Your wrong Baresi i didn't vote for Coleman in the poll we had to see who fans wanted to manage us next either and Coleman wasn't my first choice, Ray and Osian to carry on was my choice.
Ive backed our manager all the way because he is our manager, im not into all this witch hunting to get the manager out, the personal digs and waiting to jump all over Coleman for every single thing that happens is ridiculous quite frankly.
People have been against him from minute one and almost hoping he fails...this is the truth sadly.
He hasn't done well enough at the end of the day so should go but whining on here about every lil thing he does or has done isn't going to make him leave any quicker!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 19:54:21 GMT
I never wanted him to fail.
I just knew he would fail.
There is a difference.
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Post by llannerch on Oct 10, 2013 11:45:28 GMT
A lot of players disliked Brian Clough. If you're winning and in the team most players put up with it. They're simple creatures
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Post by Tim P on Oct 10, 2013 15:50:38 GMT
A lot of players disliked Brian Clough. If you're winning and in the team most players put up with it. They're simple creatures True. But I'd suggest, especially today, it's a short term project - and one that needs to hit the ground running. Not being liked by the players gives you much less leeway to make mistakes, can lead to media bother, and (especially a problem for us) players dropping out of squads. If Toshack had got us on a nine game unbeaten run from the off I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have had half the problems he did. So, yes, results do keep players happy, but it's a high risk strategy. The best managers today (Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti, Hiddink) are firm, but personable. |
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 10, 2013 15:53:49 GMT
A lot of players disliked Brian Clough. If you're winning and in the team most players put up with it. They're simple creatures True. But I'd suggest, especially today, it's a short term project - and one that needs to hit the ground running. Not being liked by the players gives you much less leeway to make mistakes, can lead to media bother, and (especially a problem for us) players dropping out of squads. If Toshack had got us on a nine game unbeaten run from the off I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have had half the problems he did. So, yes, results do keep players happy, but it's a high risk strategy. The best managers today (Guardiola, Klopp, Ancelotti, Hiddink) are firm, but personable. Frank Lampard was asked what players want from a manager. He replied 'tough love'. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 10, 2013 15:56:39 GMT
Coleman doesn't seem to have a big problem with the players other than Collins which hopefully has been sorted.
One of Coleman's main problems is he is from Swansea and will never be accepted by Cardiff fans who make up a large proportion of the crowd
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Post by toshfan on Oct 10, 2013 16:39:57 GMT
Coleman doesn't seem to have a big problem with the players other than Collins which hopefully has been sorted. One of Coleman's main problems is he is from Swansea and will never be accepted by Cardiff fans who make up a large proportion of the crowd If Bellamy does get appointed manager in the future, I hope that Swansea fans are more courteous towards him than some Cardiff fans have been towards Chris Coleman. At the same time, I hope that Cardiff fans (generally) do not become as apathetic towards the national team as most of my fellow Swansea supporters. I do not think that they will. The interclub rivalry remains a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 20:46:55 GMT
He didn't look like he was considering his future tonight.
Does that mean we've got him for the next 3 years?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2013 20:14:55 GMT
So we are 18 months into it, one miserable failed campaign and i still have no idea what his plan to get us to qualify is.
Making it up from game to game off the cuff and hoping for the best is about all i can see from the current set up.
Can anyone enlighten me?
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Post by Tim P on Oct 13, 2013 21:02:31 GMT
So we are 18 months into it, one miserable failed campaign and i still have no idea what his plan to get us to qualify is. Making it up from game to game off the cuff and hoping for the best is about all i can see from the current set up. Can anyone enlighten me? He published a essay on his philosophy entitled 'At The End of The Day, No Disrespect, But I Had Other Offers'. It's ghost written by Bananawanker and details all aspects of his approach to football and life, including how: Professionalism is an abstract concept, spoken of by many but understood by none. A lie is only a lie if people find out you lied. There are no set positions in football (especially true of the defensive roles) and squad selection should reflect this. The biggest impact a substitute can have is by remaining on the bench. The most important aspect when looking for a coach is how long you have known him and how desperate he is for a job. Say the right things, do none of them. |
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Post by llannerch on Oct 14, 2013 12:45:08 GMT
A lie is only a lie if people find out you lied. Spoken like (a) Kant himself. Or Zola. Or Confuscious |
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Post by texan on Oct 15, 2013 8:36:14 GMT
Coleman's lament, I think someone's preparing to do the long walk!
I don't think anyone has suggested that we 'should' qualify, just the opinion that we should be aiming to push for qualification and give teams more of a game than we have so far. His comments of late have been all over the place, on Saturday he was surprised to see we had more strength in depth than he thought we had...after over 18 months in the job!
Stupid, selfish comments to make on the eve of a match, designed to excuse his failures rather than gee up his team. I think he's out tomorrow, win or lose, decision seems to have been made behind the scenes.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 15, 2013 8:50:31 GMT
I agree, he has been talking like a defeated manager for weeks now and is currently trying to save face.
I think he will agree with the FAW that it was his decision if the contract isn't renewed
I love his passion for his country and nobody can deny he cares but my impression is his ego tends to get in the way a bit.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 15, 2013 10:44:57 GMT
He's just deflecting the attention off him - a decent manager would have realised a long time ago we need out best players playing and focused on that. It's not exactly new to Wales. He knew the situation he was coming into.
Speed did it at the start of his tenure - pinpointed getting our best players fit and even if they are not, getting them to come along to the wales camp. This stopped a lot of unnecessary withdrawals. You cannot account for genuine injury but a lot of times these players are pulling out with minor problems and it's been happening for years!
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Post by saints19 on Oct 15, 2013 11:04:23 GMT
Did anyone expect us to qualify?
I expected a competitive campaign and about 13-14 points. Which would have been enough for 3rd in this group.
The defeats against Serbia really were the most disappointing aspect of the campaign. Croatia and Belgium I can handle losing to, but to get thrashed twice by a side who've only picked up 5 points elsewhere in the group is abysmal.
Coleman conveniently ignores the fact that the seedings were decided at our lowest ebb during the last campaign. We are actually the 4th best team on paper in this group, pushing for 3rd.
Excuses for a poor campaign from Coleman.
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Post by yanto on Oct 15, 2013 11:45:42 GMT
I think there is some mis-interpretation by you cookie haters. Theres nothing controversial about his comments hes just saying it like it is - come on guys give him break.
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Post by Tim P on Oct 15, 2013 13:16:28 GMT
Coleman is never far away from saying/doing something that exposes his mental weakness. This is just another example.
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Post by flynnfan on Oct 15, 2013 14:40:10 GMT
I am personally sick of hearing Wales managers and the FAW talk down our potential. Each and every manager since Yorath has had the same tactic of talking us down and getting their excuses in early. It should be a sacking offence. Everyone knows the difficulties we face but the playing resources we have at our disposal are better than most outside the top two pots in terms of quality and depth. The job is tough, but the job is to compete for the top two spaces in each and every campaign. If any manager can't handle that or doesn't think it is possible then they shouldn't be in the job. Its not even as if the excuses are an attempt to take pressure off the players and reduce expectation - these are so low that they simply cannot be a factor. In this campaign we have performed below our capability. I can forgive the lack of goals to an extent due to quality of our striking options, but the utter defensive chaos we have seen in most games is unacceptable. We have good depth in the squad with back up players performing at Premier League and Championship level. Take a look at the squads of countries from pot 3 downwards and you will see that we are hardly the poor relations that so many media monkeys and ex-players would have you believe. It's time we set the bar high and started employing people with a 'can-do' attitude. I won't hold my breath. 100% agree with this post. Every single excuse merchant should be banished from Welsh football in every single area (management, media, FAW etc) We have to end the excuse culture. Then we might actually fucking do something. |
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