|
|
Post by abwales on Oct 15, 2013 17:32:17 GMT
He is just awful at every aspect of management. Sack him now!!!!!!
#crappycolemanout
|
|
|
|
Post by georgetm1 on Oct 16, 2013 8:15:06 GMT
Before last nights game I thought he should leave, but last night completely blew me away and I kept expecting our team to give up after Belgiums goal. I saw great spirit in the team and even though we didn't deserve it, we got an away point against one of the top teams in the world who wanted to celebrate qualification with a win. So they went all out for it and thanks to Hennesey and the teams battling spirit we got an amazing result. I am in two minds now, do we keep Coleman for another set of qualifiers or cut ties with him? What do you guys think? Because I don't have a clue.
|
|
|
|
Post by texan on Oct 16, 2013 10:01:30 GMT
I only remembered last night that his contract ends in November doesn't it, not this month, so it seems unless the FAW have already made their mind up he does have one more game to go. Against Finland we should (touch wood) have most of our squad back in some capacity. If he can repeat last night's decisions/performance level with something closer resembling our 1st choice team I might feel a little more convinced he's capable of further developing this squad through to 2016.
Currently however we've been here before, good win at Hampden followed by a good performance v Croatia, followed by abject rubbish in the next matches.
Definable progress is key and we haven't really seen that on a consistent basis in any form under his leadership, at the moment I feel he should still be cut loose.
|
|
|
|
Post by welshiron on Oct 16, 2013 10:03:49 GMT
I think Finland could be key, if the players want Coleman then they should all show up fit or not, that and another good performance and I think that will be enough to give him another crack
|
|
|
|
Post by jonathandearth on Oct 16, 2013 12:28:03 GMT
Go - difficult circumstances and all that for the first 6 months. But he has not progressed the team in the last 12 months.
And if anything he's caused problems -
James Collins issue
Bale on the bench - never intending to play him
were all the injuries this time round genuine?
Dummett and Lynch - are they making themselves available again or going thinking of England?
Losing passport - not too important - but meant a day away from the players just before the game
Tony Pulis has a better record in the Premiership than Strachan. And our squad is stronger. We could qualify next time round.
|
|
|
|
Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 16, 2013 12:34:07 GMT
Dummett said he wants to play for Wales, Lynch i think has been capped competitively for us hasnt he if not England will never look at him anyway!
|
|
|
|
Post by abwales on Oct 16, 2013 12:34:34 GMT
Go and go before the Finland game.
|
|
|
|
Post by llannerch on Oct 16, 2013 12:44:09 GMT
Lynch only capped in a friendly. Besides, he was injured so couldn't accept his call up from the standby list.
Dummett I'm not so sure about. The minute he reached the first team squad at the Toon he, possibly, doesn't seem so keen to play for us. I'm yet to hear anything come directly from his mouth, or that of his agent (which is the usual way of such things....)
|
|
|
|
Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 16, 2013 12:52:26 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by llannerch on Oct 16, 2013 13:00:54 GMT
Doesn't convince me I'm afraid |
|
|
|
Post by yanto on Oct 16, 2013 14:26:32 GMT
I'm inclined to remove the first 4 games and look at the last six (competitive not friendlies) its definite progress. Win in Scotland, great v Croatia but loss. Then Macc away loss where we performed in the first half, and shite v Serbia. With a massively injured squad we beat macc and got a draw last night. If we had a fit full team and performed as we did in last 2 we would have been delighted. The boys like playing for cookie that is undeniable. Sacking him risks upsetting it - another contract please Mr Ford.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:09:31 GMT
I'm inclined to remove the first 4 games and look at the last six (competitive not friendlies) its definite progress. Win in Scotland, great v Croatia but loss. Then Macc away loss where we performed in the first half, and shite v Serbia. With a massively injured squad we beat macc and got a draw last night. If we had a fit full team and performed as we did in last 2 we would have been delighted. The boys like playing for cookie that is undeniable. Sacking him risks upsetting it - another contract please Mr Ford. did you read texan's post? |
|
|
|
Post by Tim P on Oct 16, 2013 16:20:08 GMT
Go.
Good as the performance was, Belgium were in second gear.
Coleman isn't a very good manager, he's consistently unprofessional, he doesn't know what success is so therefore to expect him to be successful with us is wishful thinking.
|
|
|
|
Post by yanto on Oct 16, 2013 17:59:15 GMT
I'm inclined to remove the first 4 games and look at the last six (competitive not friendlies) its definite progress. Win in Scotland, great v Croatia but loss. Then Macc away loss where we performed in the first half, and shite v Serbia. With a massively injured squad we beat macc and got a draw last night. If we had a fit full team and performed as we did in last 2 we would have been delighted. The boys like playing for cookie that is undeniable. Sacking him risks upsetting it - another contract please Mr Ford. did you read texan's post? Yep sure did - hes wrong as hes says after the Croatia game there was 'abject rubbish' - hes ignored the last 2 games? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:57:43 GMT
Go. Good as the performance was, Belgium were in second gear. Coleman isn't a very good manager, he's consistently unprofessional, he doesn't know what success is so therefore to expect him to be successful with us is wishful thinking. Spot on Trendy! |
|
|
|
Post by yanto on Oct 16, 2013 19:07:16 GMT
Go. Good as the performance was, Belgium were in second gear. Coleman isn't a very good manager, he's consistently unprofessional, he doesn't know what success is so therefore to expect him to be successful with us is wishful thinking. Spot on Trendy! That's why Belgium celebrated their goal so vigorously then? Some of you guys have just got a downer on cookie and his team - sometimes you have to give credit where its due. |
|
|
|
Post by georgetm1 on Oct 16, 2013 19:19:57 GMT
Belgium were really going for a win last night. They had their best players playing out of their socks. I don't agree they were in second gear at all.
Wales deserve all the credit for getting a result against one of the top teams in the world, plus it was away from home.
|
|
|
|
Post by Tim P on Oct 16, 2013 19:20:21 GMT
That's why Belgium celebrated their goal so vigorously then? Ha, you are joking? You are aware that this was Belgium's final qualifier / party to celebrate their strongest ever team going to a tournament they can have decent hopes of winning? Maybe that had something to do with it. In footballing terms they were well below par. For the record, I have said that it was a great performance by us. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 19:28:15 GMT
Second gear? are you well? need a day off :/
|
|
|
|
Post by Tim P on Oct 16, 2013 19:33:15 GMT
Well it's all subjective, but I'd recommend viewing them in the WC - you'll see a somewhat better side I suspect. They were playing with no focus, it was a bit wild - which isn't really their thing.
|
|
|
|
Post by abwales on Oct 16, 2013 19:33:34 GMT
Coleman should be judged on this qualifying campaign.
We were only in this qualifying campaign until the Croatia game at home.
We were so shit in games when it mattered that we had so many games still to play where it didn't matter.
When it didn't matter (after Croatia at home) we were shit against Macedonia away and Serbia at home.
We just about beat minnows Macedonia at home and managed a draw against an already qualified team.
GIVE THE GUY A NEW CONTRACT. Worst Wales manager ever. All hope will be lost if he gets one.
|
|
|
|
Post by toshfan on Oct 16, 2013 20:24:13 GMT
The performance last night was stunning. I was there and have watched some of it on Sky. TV did not do it justice. Belgium were up for it. WALES PLAYED EXTREMELY WELL!
We have a great future. Coleman has the backing of the dressing room. We have not lost our potential. He has excuses this time e.g. horrible circumstances he inherited the job, injuries etc. I do accept that mistakes have been made and I expect that lessons will be learnt.
Current campaign was not good enough. Only two games, however, were unacceptable (please please do not draw Serbia next time).
|
|
|
|
Post by texan on Oct 16, 2013 20:29:22 GMT
Yep sure did - hes wrong as hes says after the Croatia game there was 'abject rubbish' - hes ignored the last 2 games? Think you've misunderstood my point, we've had two good performances (Scotland & Croatia) which promised growth, but were followed by two awful ones (Macedonia pt1 & Serbia) where we committed basic errors that looked like they'd been sorted only months before. We've now had two comparatively good performances again, but my opinion is thot in light of the up/down performances we've already witnessed in this campaign under him, I don't feel confident enough with Coleman to see him awarded another contract...yet. If we see a 3rd positive performance next month with obvious signs of us working on our weaknesses, there may be signs the squad can grow under him and he may be worth another campaign. Rather than have a downer on the team I'm the polar opposite, I think this is collectively the strongest squad we've.ever had and believe if arranged correctly the can do some real damage in a campaign. Which is why I don't want us to commit to another two years with someone we're not 100% certain can get them firing on all cylinders for us. This is a massive decision, one the FAW cannot take lightly or flippantly, we have to be sure he's the right one, not make a decision whilst on a 'relative' high off the back of two good performances. |
|
|
|
Post by abwales on Oct 16, 2013 20:36:28 GMT
Ask yourself. Would we have won that game if Belgium played their best 11 they could with the squad they had yesterday (they played a weakened side) and needed the win/everything was still to play for?
No.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 20:41:03 GMT
Well it's all subjective, but I'd recommend viewing them in the WC - you'll see a somewhat better side I suspect. They were playing with no focus, it was a bit wild - which isn't really their thing. I think they were a bit nonchalent. |
|
|
|
Post by toshfan on Oct 16, 2013 20:46:59 GMT
Yep sure did - hes wrong as hes says after the Croatia game there was 'abject rubbish' - hes ignored the last 2 games? Think you've misunderstood my point, we've had two good performances (Scotland & Croatia) which promised growth, but were followed by two awful ones (Macedonia pt1 & Serbia) where we committed basic errors that looked like they'd been sorted only months before. We've now had two comparatively good performances again, but my opinion is thot in light of the up/down performances we've already witnessed in this campaign under him, I don't feel confident enough with Coleman to see him awarded another contract...yet. If we see a 3rd positive performance next month with obvious signs of us working on our weaknesses, there may be signs the squad can grow under him and he may be worth another campaign. Rather than have a downer on the team I'm the polar opposite, I think this is collectively the strongest squad we've.ever had and believe if arranged correctly the can do some real damage in a campaign. Which is why I don't want us to commit to another two years with someone we're not 100% certain can get them firing on all cylinders for us. This is a massive decision, one the FAW cannot take lightly or flippantly, we have to be sure he's the right one, not make a decision whilst on a 'relative' high off the back of two good performances. I agree with much of what you say but I am concerned at the suggestion that the Finland should be a consideration. Can't say I am comfortable with placing such weight on a friendly. By now the FAW should be pretty much decided either way. Ditto Chris Coleman. |
|
|
|
Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 17, 2013 13:21:16 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by saints19 on Oct 17, 2013 16:49:32 GMT
Personally, I was pleasantly surprised by the result in Belgium. But if (big if) we could get Pulis in, I'd still take him over Coleman any day. The campaign overall has been disappointing and our biggest problem - defensive organisation - has not been adequately addressed despite Coleman having had plenty of time.
We must make every attempt to sound out quality managers that can organise the defence. Pulis & Trapattoni. If they say no, they say no. If we can't get an experienced, quality coach that can organise the team, then Coleman is better than starting from scratch with a novice. But Coleman is not going to qualify us for the Euros I suspect, and we should aim for at least a play-off next time.
|
|
|
|
Post by matty on Oct 18, 2013 11:34:06 GMT
Ask yourself. Would we have won that game if Belgium played their best 11 they could with the squad they had yesterday (they played a weakened side) and needed the win/everything was still to play for? No. Ask yourself. Would Belgium have won that game if Wales had their best 11 available (we played a weakened side) and needed the win/everything was still to play for? Who knows. |
|
|
|
Post by Tim P on Oct 18, 2013 11:50:18 GMT
Personally, I was pleasantly surprised by the result in Belgium. But if (big if) we could get Pulis in, I'd still take him over Coleman any day. The campaign overall has been disappointing and our biggest problem - defensive organisation - has not been adequately addressed despite Coleman having had plenty of time. We must make every attempt to sound out quality managers that can organise the defence. Pulis & Trapattoni. If they say no, they say no. If we can't get an experienced, quality coach that can organise the team, then Coleman is better than starting from scratch with a novice. But Coleman is not going to qualify us for the Euros I suspect, and we should aim for at least a play-off next time. Would a novice do a worse or better job than Coleman? |
|
