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Post by saints19 on May 27, 2011 14:43:03 GMT
Good luck to him. Like it or not, he may well be a future Wales manager.
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Post by raptor on May 27, 2011 15:36:04 GMT
Good luck to him. Like it or not, he may well be a future Wales manager. Agreed, if Speed then why not Coleman? |
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Post by marsvolta on May 28, 2011 9:23:36 GMT
coleman at a greek second division side,sanchez at barnet,hartson training newport county strikers(i think) after being overlooked for the managers job,lagerbeck still unemployed.maybe people on these forums rate these guys a better bet than speed but it seems no-on else does.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on May 28, 2011 11:06:31 GMT
Where would Speed be if Wales had not bailed him out?
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Post by saints19 on May 28, 2011 11:37:09 GMT
Exactly. That would be my response to marsvolta. Speed would probably have no career left, having been sacked by Sheffield United.
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Post by marsvolta on May 28, 2011 13:02:36 GMT
my point is that the options wern't brilliant anyway.
i know speed isn't going to be given the time to get it right that sanchez and lagerbeck would have been given but i still think we might as well back him as i dont think he's going anywhere for a few years.i cant see him quitting and the FAW wont sack him afer losing a few friendlys.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on May 28, 2011 13:39:59 GMT
@ Marsvolta. We know who was interviewed but do you know all that applied? If not you don't know what the options were.
The serious issue here is that the options were artificially limited. I believe the job was advertised at £175,000pa. The FAW inerviewed a bunch none of whom should not have been interviewed at all, then pursued Speed and apparently offered him £500,000pa and gave his employer, who was about to sack him, £500,000. That was a very improper procedure and extremely bad business that saved Sheff. Utd. about a million quid. So why didn't the FAW offer £500,000pa and a £500,000 golden hello in the first place? That would have attracted a different bunch.
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Post by ericyoung on May 28, 2011 13:52:58 GMT
Fair point
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Post by marsvolta on May 28, 2011 13:57:05 GMT
good point but until i get a job with the FAW i can only go by the information available to me.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 13:58:13 GMT
Yeah agree, prob would have but we are stuck with Speed so I'm all for giving him a chance. Like I have stated in previous/other posts a while ago this is the weakest squad we have had for many, many years.
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Post by saints19 on May 28, 2011 17:33:33 GMT
Re arglwyddlucan's post, Sheff Utd were paid £500,000 but I'm not sure if Speed is on £500,000 p/a. I think his wage is what was being offered, i.e. £175k.
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Post by flynnfan on May 28, 2011 18:11:52 GMT
cliff - you keep going on about how this is the weakest Wales squad ever, but I don't buy that at all. Can't you remember how only a few years back Carl Robinson and Carl Fletcher were first choice midfielders for Wales? We now have Ramsey, Collison, Vaughan, Ledley, Allen and if you count wingers as midfileders, Bale, Bellamy and Edwards in those positions. Easily the most technically gifted set of midfielders we've had in my 26 years as a Wales fan.
Yeah, we're lacking a bit of presence up front but Bellamy and Earnshaw are the 5th and 6th leading Welsh goalscorers of all time now, so we really can't be that bad. I know you old timers like to go about the days when Wyn Davies played up front for Wales but I looked at his record and it's 6 goals in 34 games, which isn't all that really is it?
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Post by Tim P on May 28, 2011 18:31:44 GMT
And the award for...
thread title containing the most fantastic oxymoron goes to...
COLEMAN MANAGER
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on May 28, 2011 18:32:46 GMT
@ Saints. His salary at Sheffield was apparently £500,000pa and I heard that the FAW had matched that. Why would Speed take a £325,000pa drop in salary when he could stay at Sheffield picking up salary and severance pay?
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on May 28, 2011 18:35:14 GMT
@ Trendy. That's not an oxymoron.
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Post by Tim P on May 28, 2011 19:24:00 GMT
um, yes it is.
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on May 28, 2011 20:06:52 GMT
Trendy. No, it isn't. There is no contradiction. It's a statement of fact. You might think he's a bad manager and that he shouldn't be a manager but your opinion on that is irrelevant. He is a manager. That's a fact. Check with you tutor, and ask if this is an oxymoron - "Trendy's poetry".
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Post by Tim P on May 28, 2011 20:28:40 GMT
manager: one who manages things.
coleman: one who cannot manage anything (including football Projects).
so, an oxymoron.
poetry?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 21:24:17 GMT
manager: one who manages things. coleman: one who cannot manage anything (including football Projects). so, an oxymoron. poetry? Did alright at Fulham didnt he? |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 21:47:15 GMT
@ Marsvolta. We know who was interviewed but do you know all that applied? If not you don't know what the options were. The serious issue here is that the options were artificially limited. I believe the job was advertised at £175,000pa. The FAW inerviewed a bunch none of whom should not have been interviewed at all, then pursued Speed and apparently offered him £500,000pa and gave his employer, who was about to sack him, £500,000. That was a very improper procedure and extremely bad business that saved Sheff. Utd. about a million quid. So why didn't the FAW offer £500,000pa and a £500,000 golden hello in the first place? That would have attracted a different bunch. Lets not forget that this proud Welshman who bleeds red and white turned the job down when first approached because apparently he "lacked the experience", which was his way of politely saying "no chance, Ive just landed a club job and helping Sheffield United to mid table mediocrity is far more important than helping my country". Fast forward to christmas and the FAW held interviews for the vacant post. Word from the Sheffield rumour mill is that Speed actually reached out to the FAW via a third party to say that he was now interested. He obviously felt he had the experience now after losing the majority of his matches after just 3 months in Sheffield! Or more likely realised that he was on the verge of getting the boot and didnt want a sacking on his CV. He wont resign because he knows that he is finished in management because anybody with half a brain can see the parallels between his tactics at Sheffield United and with Wales. They are essentially the same despite working with different personnel: 4-3-3, lots of aimless passing between the defence and midfield with no cutting edge. He plays this system regardless of who is available to him suggesting that he really doesnt have a clue how to adapt for different scenarios. Compared to what Speed has displayed so far, Coleman seems like a dream appointment. And while we talk of the losing candidates we need to bear in mind that the eventual encumbent was chosen by a marketing man who wanted a big-name to sell tickets off the back of. With this in mind how do we know the candidates who were interviewed were interviewed fairly and squarely when the criteria was not ability but whether anyone in Wales had heard of them as a player? |
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Post by ericyoung on May 29, 2011 0:26:12 GMT
I have to ask...what happens if Speed's team goes on a winning run? Why are you all soooooo certain he's going to fail? It's weird.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 0:42:37 GMT
I have to ask...what happens if Speed's team goes on a winning run? Why are you all soooooo certain he's going to fail? It's weird. Because a 2-0 win over an amateur side does not paper over cracks that were evident against ROI, England and Scotland. Speed's gameplan is flawed and until we see that he can adapt we will always be beaten by aggressive sides that press us when we are in possession. So far Speed has shown no sign that he knows how to deal with teams that do this to us. The England game and second half against Scotland are evidence of this. So I dont see how we will ever manage to build up a head of steam because its too obvious how to beat us. Capello knew it, Levein figured it out during the 1st half. Im sure Australia and Montenegro will see us coming as well seeing as its 100% certain that we will play 4-3-3 and will be passing it amongst our defenders for much of the match. |
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Post by idiot on May 29, 2011 0:49:00 GMT
speed wouldnt have been my choice,why we payed half a million for a manager who was on the verge of getting the boot from sheff utd is beyond me
BUT,we are stuck with him for the next few years,sadly i think he has ideas of playing like barca while we have sheff utd players
hughes had the right idea...he made us difficult to beat to begin with,then he tried to build on it,he fell short in the end but he almost got us there
you look at your azerbaijans,estonia etc they can give a top team a tough night by hard work and concentration
we dont seem to have the same balls/guts
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Post by richbluebird on May 29, 2011 8:13:56 GMT
I couldn't agree more with some of the above posts. Chris Coleman annoys me no end when he's commentating on a match, worse still was when Sky had him as a studio pundit. He knows fuck all and just states the obvious, total plank if you ask me and I'm so relieved that he didn't get the Wales managers job. Hope he rots in Greek football out of the way, can top up his tan over there too.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2011 9:54:45 GMT
cliff - you keep going on about how this is the weakest Wales squad ever, but I don't buy that at all. Can't you remember how only a few years back Carl Robinson and Carl Fletcher were first choice midfielders for Wales? We now have Ramsey, Collison, Vaughan, Ledley, Allen and if you count wingers as midfileders, Bale, Bellamy and Edwards in those positions. Easily the most technically gifted set of midfielders we've had in my 26 years as a Wales fan. Yeah, we're lacking a bit of presence up front but Bellamy and Earnshaw are the 5th and 6th leading Welsh goalscorers of all time now, so we really can't be that bad. I know you old timers like to go about the days when Wyn Davies played up front for Wales but I looked at his record and it's 6 goals in 34 games, which isn't all that really is it? Some good points there, but the fact is we have NEVER EVER had zero points after 4 games in qualifying group, infact we have NEVER EVER had zero points after 3 games!! OK Wyn only scored 6 in in 34 games but my god boy he was a much better centre forward than this naff lot. We never played any duff sides in his days. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 1, 2011 17:18:35 GMT
Rumoured on Twitter to be taking over from Cotterill at Portsmouth.
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Post by stu on Oct 1, 2011 20:15:09 GMT
He hasn't long been at Larissa, one of the guys I work with is mates with him so I'll ask him tomorrow if he's heard anything.
Incidentally does anyone have a clue what is going on with the Greek league? They relegated two teams for match fixing but it doesn't look like they have replaced them, Larissa ought to have been put back into the super league but if they don't make up the numbers then there should be two extra slots for promotion this year. Which would look good on his CV.
I'd enjoy the weather, the food, learn a new language and have a real go of it out in Greece. I wouldn't want to ditch that for Pompey!
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Post by llannerch on Jan 8, 2012 10:37:36 GMT
On Twitter from @greekfooty:
Chris Coleman is expected to be in charge of Larissa for the last time today as he is et to leave them (4th in D2) in order to manage Wales
Being David Bowie's birthday I was in a good mood listening to Hunky Dory. This has dampened the mood somewhat.
Managing in the Greek second tier suggests that he doesn't have the status to demand his own people. Ray, Osian and the gang to remain then?
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Post by llannerch on Jan 8, 2012 10:52:13 GMT
@greekfooty:
Chris Coleman verified he is leaving Larissa after today's match but denied the rumor he's joining Wales. He is leaving due to lack of funds
Mmmm.
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Post by robertogould on Jan 8, 2012 10:55:05 GMT
Iesu Mawr we're doomed if this is the case.
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