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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 10:57:17 GMT
apparently leaving but due to lack of funds not to manage wales.
Whats the prob with coleman anyway alongside ray and osian - experienced manager, did very well at fulham. Good international player, ex captain, good management experience now.
Our options are limited - hiddink isnt coming here so the only real candidates for the job would be coleman, hughes or giggs anyway. I'd rather hughes but i would like to see the same set up. Can imagine bowen coming in as assistant manager and ray not staying due to this as would be a step back for him.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 8, 2012 11:03:11 GMT
Whats the prob with coleman anyway alongside ray and osian - experienced manager, did very well at fulham. Good international player, ex captain, good management experience now. There's a feeling that, since everything he's touched since has turned to shit, the Fulham experience was a bit of a fluke. Steve Kean (yes, him) might have been the brains of the outfit |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 11:10:23 GMT
fluked at fulham for 3/4 years did he? Ask a lot of fulham fans, esp after sanchez era. He did very well in his first managerial experience.
Real sociadad - results were decent in his first spell abroad. Only reason he went was due to change of board.
Coventry struggled mid table but kept them up with limited funds
Lost only one game in league at larissa
A lot of experience there...
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Post by llannerch on Jan 8, 2012 11:17:54 GMT
I'd have thought we'd be aiming a bit higher than looking on CVs for 'keeping Coventry in the Championship'.
He departed Real Sociedad under a bit of a cloud from what I recall. Missed a training session, made up a dodgy excuse to cover his tracks....happy to stand corrected on this though
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 11:24:05 GMT
there was talk he was going due to a new board taking over for ages before this. I followed his spell there quite closesly. I'm all for aiming high but we have to be realistic! mind you i think even bobby gould could do a job with the team we have now  |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 11:41:21 GMT
Buzzing following Wrexhams draw at Brighton yesterday. This thread has killed the buzz.
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Post by idiot on Jan 8, 2012 13:02:27 GMT
apparently leaving but due to lack of funds not to manage wales. Whats the prob with coleman anyway alongside ray and osian - experienced manager, did very well at fulham. Good international player, ex captain, good management experience now. Our options are limited - hiddink isnt coming here so the only real candidates for the job would be coleman, hughes or giggs anyway. I'd rather hughes but i would like to see the same set up. Can imagine bowen coming in as assistant manager and ray not staying due to this as would be a step back for him. my problem with coleman would be that he appears to be an old style manager and that would be a step back from the modern,forward thinking way speed and the players adopted i might be being a bit harsh on coleman as admittedly i dont know the ins and outs of his management skills but the most forward thinking ive seen from him was bringing bikes for the subs to pedal whilst he was at fulham ;D |
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Post by idiot on Jan 8, 2012 13:04:28 GMT
I'd have thought we'd be aiming a bit higher than looking on CVs for 'keeping Coventry in the Championship'. He departed Real Sociedad under a bit of a cloud from what I recall. Missed a training session, made up a dodgy excuse to cover his tracks....happy to stand corrected on this though he claimed he missed training because someone was coming round to fix a washing machine but he was spotted in a nightclub in the early hours as i recall ;D |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 13:33:58 GMT
Raymond Verheijen is perhaps the worlds leading football conditioning expert. Asking him to work with Chris 'washing machine' Coleman is like asking Placido Domingo to record an album of duets with Victoria Beckham.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 13:38:07 GMT
THIS CANNOT HAPPEN.
I could just, JUST, get over the 'we' england comment if he was some kind of forward thinking success machine. But a forward thinking success machine he ain't.
His behaviour at Socieadad was fucking embarrassing.
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Post by saints19 on Jan 8, 2012 14:05:06 GMT
It wouldn't be the worst appointment in the world. Certainly not as bad as Ryan Giggs.
Coleman has managed in three countries, has a decent profile, and judging purely by that league position is not doing too badly in his current job. Controversies such as the England 'we' comment are certainly not as bad (and certainly not as well-known) as the well-publicised crap Giggs has been through. He would have the respect of the players, Bellamy have played with him before.
It's well known his stint at Sociedad wasn't a huge success, but Spanish football is very tribal so an outsider will always face a tough time there. All the more so given the strong Basque identity.
OK, so the prime candidates remain Hughes and Hiddink, if the FAW are able (or willing) to finance a move, but Coleman would be an option for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2012 15:21:20 GMT
seriously don't understand how brian flynn doesn't get more of a mention to be a candidate for the manager. If you say Coleman fluked it with Fulham that's what Mark Hughes did with Wales as well i.m.o, don't want any of them, and 100% not giggs either. Why not give the job to Brian Flynn? he's gotten to know Dutch Ray by now obviously, he knows all the players and they'll all respect him, after Tosh left a lot of the players were saying how they'd love to see Flynn get the job...we didn't get the best first 2 games from him no but neither did speed in his first 5. Nothing to lose now,Flynn,Ray and Osian Roberts for the win.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 15:27:08 GMT
It wouldn't be the worst appointment in the world. Certainly not as bad as Ryan Giggs. Coleman has managed in three countries, has a decent profile, and judging purely by that league position is not doing too badly in his current job. Controversies such as the England 'we' comment are certainly not as bad (and certainly not as well-known) as the well-publicised crap Giggs has been through. He would have the respect of the players, Bellamy have played with him before. It's well known his stint at Sociedad wasn't a huge success, but Spanish football is very tribal so an outsider will always face a tough time there. All the more so given the strong Basque identity. OK, so the prime candidates remain Hughes and Hiddink, if the FAW are able (or willing) to finance a move, but Coleman would be an option for me. Bellamy has played with a lot of players, how many of them does he respect? Why would Gareth Bale respect Coleman? Basque tribalism had nothing to do with Coleman going out drinking and missing a press conference...and having the temerity to try and pass it off as his washing machine breaking. That's just the actions of an unprofessional twat. He's managed in three countries. So have a lot of other awful managers. Giggs not buying into a monogamous lifestyle choice is nowhere near as 'bad' as Coleman referring to england as 'we'. Although I accept that this is subjective. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 15:30:35 GMT
hiddink wont come, our options realistically are
1. giggs, ray, osian,
2. hughes, bowen, niedzwiecki
3. Coleman, ray, Osian
4. Hartson, Ray, Osian
take your pick?
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 15:32:14 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 15:43:27 GMT
because he wont, you know that and everyone else does. get over it. Next...
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 15:46:17 GMT
because he wont, you know that and everyone else does. get over it. Next...
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No, I don't know that nj. Please explain. Do you know Hiddink personally?
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 15:50:49 GMT
honestly do you think he's coming to manage a side thats 48th in the world with averaging crowds of around 6K? Also to a national side with no money?
Lets be realistic
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 15:55:08 GMT
dont get me wrong id love him to come here but it isnt going to happen.
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 16:13:13 GMT
This 'no money' thing is a myth. Its been fairly well established that the FAW have recieved somewhere between 18-20 million from sky. Plus, there's the recently sign multi- million pound sponsorship deal with vauxhall. And games like the England one at the mill would have earned the FAW well over 1 million quid. On your other points, we have moved up over 70 places recently and have the potential to go much higher. And we average much, much bigger crowds than 6K.
Reasons Hiddink might take the job:
-He's out of work at the moment. Surely some money is better than no money?
-We are the most improved team at world football at the moment. There is a real possibilty to achieve qualification.
-Having watched a couple of Turkey's recent matches, there's no doubt in my mind that we have a better group of players than them ( Hiddinks last job)
-He speaks perfect English (making communication a lot easier than at his last 2 jobs with Russia and Turkey) and has worked in the UK before and seems to like it. I'm sure he won't mind spending time in London watching the likes of Bale, Rambo etc
- He lives in Belgium (I think) -only few hours by Eurostar from central London, so the travel aspect will be a lot, lot easier than his last two jobs.
- worked extensively with Dutch Ray before. There is a backroom team in place that I'm sure he'd be comfortable working with.
-chance for revenge with Croatia (beat Turkey in the Euro play offs)
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Post by President Bale on Jan 8, 2012 16:14:22 GMT
Last ten minutes, you're chasing the game, a goal behind, pressing the other team... and then you take off the best striker for a defensive midfielder. That's exactly the sinking feeling I get from any notion of Chris Coleman taking over.
Ugh. Please no
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 16:19:48 GMT
This 'no money' thing is a myth. Its been fairly well established that the FAW have recieved somewhere between 18-20 million from sky. Plus, there's the recently sign multi- million pound sponsorship deal with vauxhall. And games like the England one at the mill would have earned the FAW well over 1 million quid. On your other points, we have moved up over 70 places recently and have the potential to go much higher. And we average much, much bigger crowds than 6K. Reasons Hiddink might take the job: -He's out of work at the moment. Surely some money is better than no money? -We are the most improved team at world football at the moment. There is a real possibilty to achieve qualification. -Having watched a couple of Turkey's recent matches, there's no doubt in my mind that we have a better group of players than them ( Hiddinks last job) -He speaks perfect English (making communication a lot easier than at his last 2 jobs with Russia and Turkey) and has worked in the UK before and seems to like it. I'm sure he won't mind spending time in London watching the likes of Bale, Rambo etc - He lives in Belgium (I think) -only few hours by Eurostar from central London, so the travel aspect will be a lot, lot easier than his last two jobs. - worked extensively with Dutch Ray before. There is a backroom team in place that I'm sure he'd be comfortable working with. -chance for revenge with Croatia (beat Turkey in the Euro play offs) Agree with all of this. Also, he might just want a Project where he can achieve things. If Hiddink was money motivated, he would have taken the Chelsea job, or the PSG job, or any number of jobs he could have in the middle east (club or international). He's clearly motivated by footballing success, and seems to have a preference for international football Projects. Why not us? |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 16:23:05 GMT
The FAW announced it costs on average 1 million to run each welsh side each year. We havent got any money esp with the crowds we get, im not shocked we are only giving 10% away to charity for the costa rica game because bascially thats all we can afford. If we had the money all the proceeds would go to charity i bet.
we cant compete financially with many other clubs or countries thoughout the world.
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 16:26:06 GMT
2 1/2 MILLION $ PLUS BONUSES FOR THE RUSSIAN JOB
ALSO IF YOU DONT THINK HE'S MOTIVATED BY MONEY
In February 2007 Hiddink was given a six-month suspended jail sentence and fined €45,000 after being found guilty of tax fraud by a Dutch court. Prosecutors had demanded a ten-month prison sentence for Hiddink, who was accused of evading €1.4 million in Dutch taxes by claiming to be a resident of Belgium from 2002 to 2003. The Dutch Tax Intelligence and Detection Service claimed that he hadn't spent enough nights at his Belgian house which he had stated was his primary address. Hiddink denied this accusation
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 16:30:25 GMT
'Dutch journeyman of a manager Guus Hiddink aims to become the world’s highest paid trainer if Russia’s filthy richest club Anzhi Makhachkala agree to his financial terms.
Moscow / Nationalturk – According to allsportnews.us, the 65-year-old manager has answered the call from Russian Anzhi Makhachkala club wiyh an annual salary demand of €15 million, while the Russians have offered him ‘only’ €9 million.'
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 16:33:57 GMT
2 1/2 MILLION $ PLUS BONUSES FOR THE RUSSIAN JOB ALSO IF YOU DONT THINK HE'S MOTIVATED BY MONEY In February 2007 Hiddink was given a six-month suspended jail sentence and fined €45,000 after being found guilty of tax fraud by a Dutch court. Prosecutors had demanded a ten-month prison sentence for Hiddink, who was accused of evading €1.4 million in Dutch taxes by claiming to be a resident of Belgium from 2002 to 2003. The Dutch Tax Intelligence and Detection Service claimed that he hadn't spent enough nights at his Belgian house which he had stated was his primary address. Hiddink denied this accusation I'm pretty sure that he doesn't fill out his own tax return. |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 16:34:54 GMT
'Dutch journeyman of a manager Guus Hiddink aims to become the world’s highest paid trainer if Russia’s filthy richest club Anzhi Makhachkala agree to his financial terms. Moscow / Nationalturk – According to allsportnews.us, the 65-year-old manager has answered the call from Russian Anzhi Makhachkala club wiyh an annual salary demand of €15 million, while the Russians have offered him ‘only’ €9 million.' Ah yes, that well known fountain of truth, allsportsnews.us! |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 16:36:17 GMT
The FAW announced it costs on average 1 million to run each welsh side each year. We havent got any money esp with the crowds we get, im not shocked we are only giving 10% away to charity for the costa rica game because bascially thats all we can afford. If we had the money all the proceeds would go to charity i bet. we cant compete financially with many other clubs or countries thoughout the world. By that reasoning, every manager would be managing in Dubai or the UAE. But they're not - for footballing and personal reasons. Also, you do not know how much the FAW can afford. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 16:38:27 GMT
Well there's 3 different sources there for money motivation and why was it hiddink given the 6 month suspended sentence and not his accountant?
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 17:01:23 GMT
"This 'no money' thing is a myth. Its been fairly well established that the FAW have recieved somewhere between 18-20 million from sky. Plus, there's the recently sign multi- million pound sponsorship deal with vauxhall. And games like the England one at the mill would have earned the FAW well over 1 million quid. On your other points, we have moved up over 70 places recently and have the potential to go much higher. And we average much, much bigger crowds than 6K."
Points from the FAW roadshow
1. The FAW currently runs 8 international teams at a cost of £1m each annually. In total this means that the FAW administration has to manage more games each season than an English Premiership Club.
2. We have a deal in place with Vauxhall that nets the FAW One Million Pounds.
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