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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 17:47:52 GMT
It costs us 1 million quid a year to run a womens U17 team?! wow. Sorry ladies but if its a choice between having a womens U17 team and having Hiddink as manager, I'd choose Hiddink. And when we finally qualify and get some cash rolling in, then we can bring it back.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 8, 2012 20:19:38 GMT
Think I must have missed the 'we' comment relating to England. Could someone enlighten me? Cheers
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 20:28:29 GMT
And does it really cost us one million quid a year to run a mens semi-pro u23 team?! Ridiculous.
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Post by njdragon on Jan 8, 2012 20:31:18 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 20:41:06 GMT
The semi pro team played a grand total of 1 (one) game last year. They played 3 in 2010 and 2 in 2009. www.faw.org.uk/FixturesInternational.ink?Teamname=r&ShowRecords=20 So it quite obviously doesn't cost 1 million quid a year. It was probably just Johnny Ford talking shit again, like when he said dutch Ray was assistant manager to Hiddink in his previous international jobs, and when he described Bale and Ramsey as local lads (in Brymbo) |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 8, 2012 20:43:47 GMT
Think I must have missed the 'we' comment relating to England. Could someone enlighten me? Cheers He was doing punditry for ITV during the world cup and referred to england as 'we'. |
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Post by oojibooji on Jan 8, 2012 22:00:16 GMT
'Dutch journeyman of a manager Guus Hiddink aims to become the world’s highest paid trainer if Russia’s filthy richest club Anzhi Makhachkala agree to his financial terms. Moscow / Nationalturk – According to allsportnews.us, the 65-year-old manager has answered the call from Russian Anzhi Makhachkala club wiyh an annual salary demand of €15 million, while the Russians have offered him ‘only’ €9 million.' Is that one of Bananaman's articles? |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 8, 2012 22:03:10 GMT
Think I must have missed the 'we' comment relating to England. Could someone enlighten me? Cheers He was doing punditry for ITV during the world cup and referred to england as 'we'. I see, thought as much. That's a pretty unforgivable offence really. I would be gutted if they give it to Coleman. He reminds me a bit of Tosh and think he would bring in his own people at the expense of RV and OS. I remember seeing Coleman on sport Wales not long after Gary was appointed saying he was annoyed at the FAW for their treatment of him during the interview process. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 22:17:43 GMT
Has Coleman ever left a club in a better condition than it was in when he was appointed?
Fulham? not really- he took over a good squad from Tigana. They were struggling when he was sacked.
Real Sociedad? Just relegated from La Liga, he was only there about 10 games and his behaviour was disgraceful.
Coventry? No chance- signed expensive flops like Eastwood, never mounted any sort of promotion push, left a squad which now appears to be heading into league 1
Larissa? Left just as their season is starting! not long enough to judge but I'm not surpised he's bailing out early. It's typical of the man.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 8, 2012 22:23:13 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 8, 2012 22:47:35 GMT
Steve Tucker: Chris Coleman. He narrowly missed out last time and might be seen as the continuity candidate after the tragic loss of Gary Speed.
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In 2010 Steve Tucker descibed Coleman as 'a mini Toshack' and 'an uninspiring choice' I don't know what he's done since to get a positive response from Tucker now?
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 8, 2012 22:59:40 GMT
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 8, 2012 23:16:55 GMT
I hope Coleman or Giggs do not get appointed, why not get Bellamy to join the coaching staff of Osian & Ray & but he also continues in a playing role
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Post by saints19 on Jan 9, 2012 3:37:25 GMT
It wouldn't be the worst appointment in the world. Certainly not as bad as Ryan Giggs. Coleman has managed in three countries, has a decent profile, and judging purely by that league position is not doing too badly in his current job. Controversies such as the England 'we' comment are certainly not as bad (and certainly not as well-known) as the well-publicised crap Giggs has been through. He would have the respect of the players, Bellamy have played with him before. It's well known his stint at Sociedad wasn't a huge success, but Spanish football is very tribal so an outsider will always face a tough time there. All the more so given the strong Basque identity. OK, so the prime candidates remain Hughes and Hiddink, if the FAW are able (or willing) to finance a move, but Coleman would be an option for me. Bellamy has played with a lot of players, how many of them does he respect? Why would Gareth Bale respect Coleman? Basque tribalism had nothing to do with Coleman going out drinking and missing a press conference...and having the temerity to try and pass it off as his washing machine breaking. That's just the actions of an unprofessional twat. He's managed in three countries. So have a lot of other awful managers. Giggs not buying into a monogamous lifestyle choice is nowhere near as 'bad' as Coleman referring to england as 'we'. Although I accept that this is subjective. Bellamy has played with lots of players, and has not always got on with all of them, but is there any reason to think he would not respect Coleman? Even if he has neutral felings about him, he (and the others) would respect Coleman because of the position he would hold. Gareth Bale would respect Coleman for the same reasons. I doubt he is even aware of the washing machine incident - I must admit I was ignorant of it until I read about it here. I accept that, assuming things in said incident were as straightforward as they have been portrayed here, Coleman was in the wrong there. But so what? It had never happened before in Coleman's 4-year management career and an isolated incident wouldn't rule him out of managing Wales. More importantly, there is no suggestion of unprofessionalism in his most recent post, even though he is leaving voluntarily; it's his right if he feels he can doo better, though of course there's no guarantee of that, it's worth noting Hughes also left Fulham recently without having anything lined up, although it's heavily rumoured he coveted the Villa job. I accept that poor managers have managed in multiple countries, but would not say Coleman is a poor manager. He has a reasonable track record, if a bit up-and-down. Certainly no worse than Gary Speed's CV when he was appointed. Personally, I cannot understand how anyone would consider an action which has torn apart a family as better than a comment which is certainly a poor gaffe from Coleman, especially given the rivalry between our two countries, but basically hurts no-one. Besides, Coleman has more than adequately proven his loyalty to Wales by his playing career. |
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Post by saints19 on Jan 9, 2012 3:41:14 GMT
Has Coleman ever left a club in a better condition than it was in when he was appointed? Fulham? not really- he took over a good squad from Tigana. They were struggling when he was sacked. Real Sociedad? Just relegated from La Liga, he was only there about 10 games and his behaviour was disgraceful. Coventry? No chance- signed expensive flops like Eastwood, never mounted any sort of promotion push, left a squad which now appears to be heading into league 1 Larissa? Left just as their season is starting! not long enough to judge but I'm not surpised he's bailing out early. It's typical of the man. To be fair, Coleman kept Fulham up in and around the top 10 for a couple of seasons. You can't just ignore that and look at the position he left them in, especially as he was sacked and not given the chance to turn it around. Tigana had left them in relegation troubles. |
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Post by saints19 on Jan 9, 2012 3:47:18 GMT
Of course, none of this suggests I actually want Coleman as manager. I'm just giving him his dues.
If attempts to attract a big name manager such as Hughes fail, then we should seriously consider looking at sacked Premiership managers - there are bound to be some good managers sacked this season in the mad scramble to finish 17th. Personally, I think Martinez would be a good choice if he gets the boot, his style of play would fit nicely with our style. I also like Neil Warnock, but would question if he is the right man for us at the moment.
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Post by stu on Jan 9, 2012 7:36:15 GMT
I think Martinez is still dining on his success at Swansea because Wigan are shit and the no money but we play proper football line wont work because there are clubs that have less money and actually do play good football. Mind you at Swansea he inherited a good team that were already capable of playing a passing game but Jackett had a bit of a penchant for the hoof ball. At least if he did get the Wales job he wouldn't have to build a team of his own.
The stick Coleman gets for his time at Athletico is a bit unfair since they didn't pay him for a couple of months. If my bosses didn't pay me then I'd be less than professional too.
That being said I was talking to one of his mates about the possibility of him going to QPR and he said that if he was a QPR fan he'd be pissed off if he got the job.
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Post by stu on Jan 9, 2012 7:45:29 GMT
And does it really cost us one million quid a year to run a mens semi-pro u23 team?! Ridiculous. Didn't he say that it averages out at a million a team? Obviously the bin men and carpenters team don't cost a million but the A squad would cost a lot more than that. I remember Radio Wales saying (just before the Oz game) that when they went to Ireland they took 30 FAW Staff! I think that is where the cost really starts to add up. |
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 9, 2012 10:24:50 GMT
seriously don't understand how brian flynn doesn't get more of a mention to be a candidate for the manager. If you say Coleman fluked it with Fulham that's what Mark Hughes did with Wales as well i.m.o, don't want any of them, and 100% not giggs either. Why not give the job to Brian Flynn? he's gotten to know Dutch Ray by now obviously, he knows all the players and they'll all respect him, after Tosh left a lot of the players were saying how they'd love to see Flynn get the job...we didn't get the best first 2 games from him no but neither did speed in his first 5. Nothing to lose now,Flynn,Ray and Osian Roberts for the win. That the same Brian Flynn who guided Wales to a 0-1 defeat to mighty Bulgaria? No thanks. No thanks to Chris Coleman either - he's sh*te. |
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I can't forgive the 'we' comment. I would rather Giggs than Coleman. At least Giggs has achieved something. I wonder if this is part of the plan though. Pedal Coleman as the favourite, send everyone into a downward spiral of depression and then announce Giggs as the continuity candidate to everyone's relief. As an interesting aside, is Scholes return for MU in any way connected? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2012 17:00:28 GMT
Coleman has won 33.85% of his games as a manager.
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 9, 2012 17:59:08 GMT
Some selected comments from the Palace forum when he was been linked for the managerial vacancy here "Can I ask; my mum has always said Coleman sort of threw the towell in and deliberately didn't perform until he was sold. Is that right or has she got it wrong? I was a bit too young to remember details like that now."" Totally correct. He behaved like a complete tosser.""He also has a reputation as womaniser."He had plenty of slappers all over him in Reigate pubs when he played Naughty boy he was. Throwing it all around. Back in the day no one cared eh Wayne. Nowadays no chance of thatwww.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23391502-fulham-bosss-wife-bugs-his-car-over-affair-fears.do"He likes knocking back Grandpa's medicine allegedly as well"But also some positive comments "As for Coleman, anyone who could do as well at Fulham as he did must have done something right. Also he gave Coventry their best season for years and for two thirds of it they were in or around the play offs. Very harsh sacking in my oopinion as they could be the suprise package given the right additions." |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 9, 2012 20:13:27 GMT
the funnyest thing is that waiting for a washine machine repair man is a rubbish excuse anyway.even if he wasnt in a nightclub id be asking him why he missed training for a domestic appliance repair,ha ha .
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Post by sleepy on Jan 9, 2012 20:22:34 GMT
Not sure if this has already been posted but Skybet are running odds on next Wales manager... Coleman clear fav from Verheijen
Chris Coleman 1/3
Raymond Verheijen 6
Dean Saunders 11
Dave Jones 12
Paul Trollope 12
Brian Flynn 16
Ian Rush 16
John Hartson 16
Tony Mowbray 25
Gary Megson 33
Kenny Jackett 33
Ryan Giggs 33
Robbie Savage 50
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 9, 2012 21:14:36 GMT
Not sure if this has already been posted but Skybet are running odds on next Wales manager... Coleman clear fav from Verheijen Chris Coleman 1/3 Raymond Verheijen 6 Dean Saunders 11 Dave Jones 12 Paul Trollope 12 Brian Flynn 16 Ian Rush 16 John Hartson 16 Tony Mowbray 25 Gary Megson 33 Kenny Jackett 33 Ryan Giggs 33 Robbie Savage 50 F**k me. The cupboard is bare. |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 9, 2012 21:59:01 GMT
Fucking hell, thats a depressing list. Dave Jones 12/1?! are they serious? Wonder what Adam Matthews would think about that?
why isn't Hiddink (possibly the best international manager currently out of work, and someone who's worked with our assistant extensively in the past) even on the list? Is Robbie Savage really a more realistic candidate? Christ... when the Republic of Ireland wanted to end their cycle of failure and underachievement (admittedly not as long a cycle as ours) the went out a got Trapatonni (a man who's won 10 league titles in 4 different countries) And they have qualified for the Euro's. The FAW look set to appoint a bloke who's just been sacked by Coventry. I feel ill.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 9, 2012 22:00:35 GMT
No Lagerback, Kerr or Sanchez. It's nonsense
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Post by llannerch on Jan 9, 2012 22:33:48 GMT
Some selected comments from the Palace forum when he was been linked for the managerial vacancy here "Can I ask; my mum has always said Coleman sort of threw the towell in and deliberately didn't perform until he was sold. Is that right or has she got it wrong? I was a bit too young to remember details like that now."" Totally correct. He behaved like a complete tosser.""He also has a reputation as womaniser."He had plenty of slappers all over him in Reigate pubs when he played Naughty boy he was. Throwing it all around. Back in the day no one cared eh Wayne. Nowadays no chance of thatwww.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23391502-fulham-bosss-wife-bugs-his-car-over-affair-fears.do"He likes knocking back Grandpa's medicine allegedly as well"But also some positive comments "As for Coleman, anyone who could do as well at Fulham as he did must have done something right. Also he gave Coventry their best season for years and for two thirds of it they were in or around the play offs. Very harsh sacking in my oopinion as they could be the suprise package given the right additions."Professional footballer shags around. In other news, sheep are woolly |
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Post by saints19 on Jan 9, 2012 23:49:29 GMT
Bookies lists are never right, that's more or less the only comfort we can draw from this.
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