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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2012 9:01:41 GMT
He left sociedad cause of money and board problems,he left larissa cause of money does he not know the reputation of the FAW board :-O if he wants everything his own way the wales jobs not for him.cookie no thanks!
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Post by llannerch on Jan 10, 2012 13:58:56 GMT
On the other hand I remember reading something about him referring to himself in his voicemail message as "the big, brown Welshman".
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 10, 2012 15:44:53 GMT
The main thing I don't understand about Coleman being the favourite is 'why now?'
When he was interviewed last year he was out of work, so would have been a cheap option. And yet, the FAW went out and spent half a million quid to secure the release of Speed instead. They obviously weren't impressed with coleman then, so why would they want him now?
Also, the Welsh press didn't want Coleman last year. Steve Tucker described him as 'uninspiring' and 'a mini Toshack' Now he's tipping him for manager.
I don't get it.
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Post by saints19 on Jan 10, 2012 22:28:19 GMT
Ironically we are much better positioned this time, at least in theory. The only problem is that no-one of great quality has really come forward and said they want the job and the media has only linked the usual names to the post. Hughes has now joined QPR and Hiddink looks increasingly unlikely.
I think the FAW should make a public statement that they are willing to consider a range of candidates, Welsh and non-Welsh, for the position. We need more interest in the job, frankly!
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Post by alarch on Jan 11, 2012 10:15:56 GMT
Agreed saints19. Although a lot of the objections to Coleman are spurious (especially the "we" comment) - there is legitimate concern about the question of continuity. I get the impression that his teams play the traditional way, 4-4-2 and get the ball forward as quickly as possible. I may be wrong in this regard - but if true his appointment would be foolhardy in the extreme.
Sorry to mention my dear Swans yet again, but the single most significant factor in their success had been the continuity of managerial style from Martinez, through Sousa to Rodgers. Toshack, through Flynn to Speed offered a degree of continuity, which is now (belatedly) bearing fruit. To throw away all that hard work would be the utmost folly (a price Sheffield United paid when they let Speed go and appointed the in-your-face Mickey Adams). In that respect I would sooner appoint a relative unknown who practices the patient continental game, than a big/medium-sized "name".
Given that there are no Welsh candidates (other than Osian, and arguably Flynn) who tick the relevant boxes, then we need to consider a manager from further afield. Sean O'Driscoll - currently without a job, is a name we should consider. Hardly in the Hiddink league - but a manager with a long-established reputation for getting his sides to play patient passing football. Otherwise it's a case of looking to the continent, for out-of-work experienced managers, probably getting on a bit, but with a good track record of getting their teams playing the right way. The chances are we won't have heard of them, but aptitude is far more important than reputation. After all, Rodgers was 4th choice to be manager at Swansea - and this guy has already shown himself to be a top manager in the making.
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Post by Counting Crows on Jan 11, 2012 12:05:01 GMT
I'm not inspired particularly by many of the names on that list. However, could Ian Rush be a similar focal-point / figurehead as Speed was with Osian and Ray backing him up? Like Speed, Rush has precious little managerial experience. But also like Speed, he was a model pro who always turned up for his country. I would imagine many of the youngsters in the squad would appreciate his experience and respect his career and standing. This is assuming Rush would want the position and would want to carry on where Speed left off in terms of style and backroom staff. It's a finely balanced situation and i have a horrible feeling that one misguided appointment could bring the house down. I almost want Osian and Ray to take charge for the Costa Rica game, although i appreciate that that would be a one-off game that even i could take charge of and not make a jot of difference!!  |
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Post by hailo1 on Jan 11, 2012 12:19:56 GMT
I agree Counting Crows, not many standouts on the list. I think the FAW are waiting to get the Costa Rica game played so we can all pay tribute to Gary Speed.
I want Ray and Osian to stay with a figurehead above them. I've checked the betting odds and that doesn't fill me with exictement. I thought Ian Rush was a great player when growing up, but he has never struck me as a manager. I would like the manager to be Welsh but no one stands out for me.
On the betting lists Chris Coleman and Brian Flynn are at the top, Coleman at 1/5.
Guus Hiddink is 16/1, Glenn Hoddle at 20/1, Sven at 20/1, and outsiders Simon Davey and Alan Knill at 25/1
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Post by quetzal on Jan 11, 2012 19:51:22 GMT
Nevermind the football!!! I would like to see the FAW do a background check on Colemans wellknown drinking problems. I have an excellent source who told me 4 years ago that Cris had a problem with alcohol and the drink in question was wine. I just think its something that needs to be checked out.
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 11, 2012 19:59:12 GMT
"He likes knocking back Grandpa's medicine allegedly as well"
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Post by quetzal on Jan 11, 2012 20:03:54 GMT
I don't want to give you my life story but i'm a business owner and its called a " background check " . I know Cloughie had his problems and still pulled it off but i don't want a boozer as the national manager of Wales.
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Post by scoop76 on Jan 11, 2012 20:04:24 GMT
If we ruled out every ex Welsh international with a drinking or gambling problem, we'd be left with a very short list of candidates. The Wales teams of the 70s, 80s and 90s enjoyed a pint.
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Post by quetzal on Jan 11, 2012 20:13:55 GMT
we not talking enjoying a pint. we talking about alcoholism
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Post by llannerch on Jan 11, 2012 21:45:37 GMT
and the drink in question was wine. No wonder he left Greece then. Greek wine is fucking vile |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 11, 2012 22:05:54 GMT
Lets not forget either that there were some 'doubts' about the circumstances of his car crash
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 11, 2012 23:14:09 GMT
Hope this ain't true "He is nailed on for wales job according to his son. He wrote a post saying that his dad was 98% certain of it, before someone close to home told him to take the comment down.
i tried to find a market or odds for this, but can't find anywhere!"Link www.cpfc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=230011 |
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 11, 2012 23:34:07 GMT
I don't know if Coleman is an alcoholic or not, but there is enough evidnce around to suggest the man is totally unprofessional anyway. I can't possibly work out why he would be attractive to the FAW now when they preferred to spend half a million quid to secure Speed last year instead.
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 11, 2012 23:40:04 GMT
Hope this ain't true
"He is nailed on for wales job according to his son. He wrote a post saying that his dad was 98% certain of it, before someone close to home told him to take the comment down.
i tried to find a market or odds for this, but can't find anywhere!"
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I'm not a religious man, but I'm praying this is message board bullshit.
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 12, 2012 0:02:13 GMT
It could well be
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 12, 2012 0:04:31 GMT
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Post by alarch on Jan 12, 2012 0:04:44 GMT
Judging by the appointment of Speed, the approaches to Giggs and the imminent appointment of Coleman it would appear that the most important criterion (the only one??) for a prospective manager is that he is as prominent an ex-Wales international as possible.
Fuck tactical acumen, let's exhume John Charles while we're at it. That would be the ideal appointment. The FAW get their figurehead and Ray and Osian get on with the job in hand...
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 12, 2012 0:10:20 GMT
"Lets not forget either that there were some 'doubts' about the circumstances of his car crash"
i live not to far from where Mr C crashed and he must have been tanking it to crash where he did....It was only a little way from his house in Outwood Surrey
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 12, 2012 0:10:53 GMT
Judging by the appointment of Speed, the approaches to Giggs and the imminent appointment of Coleman it would appear that the most important criterion (the only one??) for a prospective manager is that he is as prominent an ex-Wales international as possible.
Fuck tactical acumen, let's exhume John Charles while we're at it. That would be the ideal appointment.
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Have they learnt nothing from the Republic of Irelands success under Trapattoni?! Do they even care about success?! you have to wonder...
...seems to me that the only thing they care about is themselves and their expense acounts. There was no chance of Verheijen ever getting the job. They don't want the kind of professionalism and focus that a man like that would bring.
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 12, 2012 0:13:38 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Jan 12, 2012 0:17:12 GMT
Daily mail say its a done deal
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the hope that I'm clinging on to now is that Coleman is a smokescreen, a distraction to throw people off the scent whilst they've been thrashing out a deal with Hiddink in a series of secret talks... I know the chances of the FAW surprising us by doing this are minimal, but I need something, anything to give me some hope at this point...
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Post by oojibooji on Jan 12, 2012 0:47:33 GMT
He's a fucking clown
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Post by stu on Jan 12, 2012 5:48:44 GMT
I don't know if Coleman is an alcoholic or not, but there is enough evidnce around to suggest the man is totally unprofessional anyway. I can't possibly work out why he would be attractive to the FAW now when they preferred to spend half a million quid to secure Speed last year instead. Surely the the most obvious and logical explanation was that Speed gave a much better interview and the vision he presented was better than the one offered by Coleman. And now that Speed is no longer here they believe the next best person for the job is Coleman. Let's not forget that up until the Montenegro game most of us were still against Speed. |
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Post by geraint on Jan 12, 2012 7:59:43 GMT
Daily mail say its a done deal Marvellous. Bloody marvellous. |
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Post by welshorp on Jan 12, 2012 8:09:10 GMT
Right then let's get behind him!!
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Post by rhysage on Jan 12, 2012 9:09:58 GMT
Right, I've come to a decision.....
I can live with Coleman, as long as he keeps Dutch Ray and Osian, living with it is different to me being happy with it!!
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 12, 2012 10:11:51 GMT
The talk has been of getting rid of Dutch Ray and bringing in Coleman's mate... Kit Symons as assistant. It's depressing to see the FAW on the verge of tearing up all the good work that has been put in place over recent months. They seem intent on destroying Speed's legacy. It makes the Costa Rica friendly seem a bit disingenuous: a tribute to Gary but we are going to smash the foundations he put in place. Madness.
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