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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 10:28:08 GMT
This whole situation reminds me of the yorath/toshack situation when tosh took charge the first time,yorath didnt get his contract renewed tosh came in against norway the crowd kept shouting yoraths name and tosh walked.The costa rica game is going to be so emotinal if the faw dont keep ray and osian on i despair :-(
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 10:38:29 GMT
The talk has been of getting rid of Dutch Ray and bringing in Coleman's mate... Kit Symons as assistant. It's depressing to see the FAW on the verge of tearing up all the good work that has been put in place over recent months. They seem intent on destroying Speed's legacy. It makes the Costa Rica friendly seem a bit disingenuous: a tribute to Gary but we are going to smash the foundations he put in place. Madness. Agreed! Dare I mention it if or when Coleman gets appointed, on what's going to be a hugely emotional and tough night, if the match is not going in Wales' favour [passes going astray etc] the crowd may turn on Coleman. It's horrible to even consider that I know, but likely? Perhaps. |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 12, 2012 12:26:10 GMT
and the drink in question was wine. No wonder he left Greece then. Greek wine is fucking vile Retsina is quite nice |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 12:28:56 GMT
We'll all have drinking problems soon.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 12, 2012 12:44:47 GMT
I don't know if Coleman is an alcoholic or not, but there is enough evidnce around to suggest the man is totally unprofessional anyway. I can't possibly work out why he would be attractive to the FAW now when they preferred to spend half a million quid to secure Speed last year instead. Surely the the most obvious and logical explanation was that Speed gave a much better interview and the vision he presented was better than the one offered by Coleman. And now that Speed is no longer here they believe the next best person for the job is Coleman. Let's not forget that up until the Montenegro game most of us were still against Speed. This is fair. Spped's vision was better, but Coleman's may have been very good too. At least there is consistency in the FAW's approach to recruitment. This is to be welcomed. I'm not going to think about it much anymore. We'll get who we're given, we can't control that. But whoever it is we get behind them at the Costa Rica game and do what we can control which is give full backing to the team, sing our bollocks off and have a good laugh and drink in the process |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 12, 2012 12:58:07 GMT
Given a lot of people were ridiculing Ray not so long ago for his Dr vs Drs qualification, his tweeting etc. it is remarkable how much support he now has.
Kit Symons is a well-regarded youth coach isn't he?
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Post by njdragon on Jan 12, 2012 13:06:02 GMT
Given a lot of people were ridiculing Ray not so long ago for his Dr vs Drs qualification, his tweeting etc. it is remarkable how much support he now has. Kit Symons is a well-regarded youth coach isn't he? Compare Kits symons CV against Rays. Good to see that Ray has turned the fans opinions round. Think he has proven he has the right vision for Wales. Will be disgusted if the FAW go against the wish of the players and a lot of fans and get rid of the backroom staff. Complete backwards step if it happens and can see players not turning up again with the same age old issues. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 13:28:04 GMT
..............and go back to losing and mass withdrawels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 13:33:50 GMT
The talk has been of getting rid of Dutch Ray and bringing in Coleman's mate... Kit Symons as assistant. It's depressing to see the FAW on the verge of tearing up all the good work that has been put in place over recent months. They seem intent on destroying Speed's legacy. It makes the Costa Rica friendly seem a bit disingenuous: a tribute to Gary but we are going to smash the foundations he put in place. Madness. Great post. We have just finished 2011 as FIFA's highest climbers in the WORLD rankings. When does that sort of thing ever happen to Wales? If the current system and individuals is allowed to dissipate it is nothing short of negligent and the individuals responsible should be brought to account. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 12, 2012 13:40:51 GMT
I know its sad for the family but also such a typical thing to happen to us wales fans!
just when we get going for once this all happens.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 13:41:05 GMT
Ray Verheijen first met Gary Speed at Liverpool Airport and he said he knew within 2 minutes he wanted to work with Speed as long as was possible.
Ray's meticulous preparation and would have been appealing to Speed as Speed was the type of player whose conditioning was second to none.
Meanwhile, Coleman was getting trashed and crashing into trees.
If CC gets the job, I'm pretty sure ray will be helping other countries qualify in our place.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 12, 2012 19:38:11 GMT
i dont want a piss-head as manager.
when im heading to cardiff drinking on the train before heading out for an all day sesh in the city,i want a tee-total as the manager of the team im watching.i'll be telling my mates this as we hit the nightclubs after the match.
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Post by lyndysea on Jan 12, 2012 20:31:03 GMT
Just saw Ray on Sky. I think he's the one and I'm trusting the FAW to realise that too. Surely they want to continue in the way started by Speed and at least try to follow through. I thought Bowen could have done the job but he's out of the picture and it has to be worth giving Ray a try - no other real options.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 12, 2012 20:57:32 GMT
Just saw Ray on Sky. I think he's the one and I'm trusting the FAW to realise that too. Surely they want to continue in the way started by Speed and at least try to follow through. I thought Bowen could have done the job but he's out of the picture and it has to be worth giving Ray a try - no other real options. Boom boom. Great post! |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 10:24:19 GMT
Okay, so what could Coleman bring:
Passion - despite his idiotic 'we' comment, I've read and heard enough to be convinced that he loves Wales. I believe the national team is genuinely a big deal for him.
Football philosophy - I may be wrong, but wasn't Fulham's style kind of similar to what we need to do: quick, counter attacking directness based around a core of technical players.
From what I've read, it seems like he is happy to keep Ray and Osian - this is certainly a good thing, as I don't think anyone could ever accuse Coleman of being a visionary.
His bad record post-Fulham is kind of depressing, but most agree that he was unfairly sacked and as such maybe he was unlucky not to get a sideways move to another decent-ish side. Maybe he's a coach/manager that needs to work with better players. Well, we have better players.
Maybe he unprofessionalism has been born out of the fact that the jobs just weren't right for him. Again, it's not ideal, but it's what we have.
I'm not especially happy with the prospect of him taking over, but I don't think it's quite as bad as people (including me at various points) might be making out. Maybe that's the optimist in me talking.
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 10:28:07 GMT
Maybe that's the optimist in me talking. Yeah, it is. |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 10:53:26 GMT
Ha ha, oh well. Maybe my optimistic side will need to be out in full force over the next year or so.
But consider this:
Coleman oversees a 3-1 win over Costa Rica, hits it off with Ray and Osian, the players leave the camp buzzing. We beat Belgium 2-1.
Taking all the emotion out of my distaste for Coleman, I do think that could happen. And what would that leave us with? Momentum. Anything could happen.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:02:20 GMT
Fairplay his record is actually very good finished 9th with fulham when they were relegation faves, then his top players left obviously they didnt do as well,
He left fulham when they didnt win for 7 games,
He left real sociadad 5th in thier league,
Ok didnt do very well at cov but who would lol,
Left larissa with only 1 defeat!!!
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:08:37 GMT
Coming round to Coleman for manager hes already hinted he will keep Ray and Osain, watch the dragon march into Rio!!!!!!!!
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 11:14:11 GMT
Crikey - people on this board are so suggestible.
Consider this: Coleman is installed as manager for the Costa Rica game. Ticket sales are disappointing because the Welsh public are not inspired by having a thick gum-chewing berk as their new manager. Coleman and Dutch Ray/Osian Roberts don’t hit it off because of comments made preceding the game. Wales go a goal behind. Coleman switches to 4-4-2. Wales go two nil behind and lose the match. After the game Dutch Ray and Osian resign because they are not happy at Speed’s legacy being tampered with. Coleman brings in new staff for the Belgium match including best pal Kit Symons. Wales finish the group second from bottom. Coleman rues Wales’ bad luck and the niggling injuries that have caused our star players to miss key games. Still, he’s full of optimism for the next tournament. The FAW announce his position as Welsh manager is safe despite widespread criticism from fans.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:15:16 GMT
Why are some people suggestable for looking at the positives?
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Post by njdragon on Jan 13, 2012 11:25:54 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:26:36 GMT
Colemans win percentage, Fulham 34%, Real Sociadad 40%, Coventry 29%, Larissa 50%
Overall managerial record played 325, won 110, drew 89, lost 126
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 11:28:53 GMT
Colemans win percentage, Fulham 34%, Real Sociadad 40%, Coventry 29%, Larissa 50% Overall managerial record played 325, won 110, drew 89, lost 126 Our win percentage in the last 5 games (including away to England) is 80% with Ray & Osian. |
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 11:32:00 GMT
Why are some people suggestable for looking at the positives? It's so Welsh isn't it to accept whatever sh*t you are given. Just shrug your shoulders, accept your fate and get on with it. Maybe even dredge up some "positives" to sweeten the pill. Yeah, we should snap up the guy who left Real Sociadad fifth in their league - what a catch. And passion - yeah, let's have more of that. Let's do it the Welsh way - I mean it's been so successful in the past hasn't it?  |
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 13, 2012 11:36:03 GMT
Sparky werent shy of a few sherbets in his day.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:38:40 GMT
Colemans win percentage, Fulham 34%, Real Sociadad 40%, Coventry 29%, Larissa 50% Overall managerial record played 325, won 110, drew 89, lost 126 Our win percentage in the last 5 games (including away to England) is 80% with Ray & Osian. Wrong it was Speed Ray and Osain |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 11:39:45 GMT
Why are some people suggestable for looking at the positives? It's so Welsh isn't it to accept whatever sh*t you are given. Just shrug your shoulders, accept your fate and get on with it. Maybe even dredge up some "positives" to sweeten the pill. Yeah, we should snap up the guy who left Real Sociadad fifth in their league - what a catch. And passion - yeah, let's have more of that. Let's do it the Welsh way - I mean it's been so successful in the past hasn't it? How am i just accepting it i want Ray as number one but stopping and thinking about it, i think Coleman with Ray and Osain could work! |
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 11:44:51 GMT
It's so Welsh isn't it to accept whatever sh*t you are given. Just shrug your shoulders, accept your fate and get on with it. Maybe even dredge up some "positives" to sweeten the pill. Yeah, we should snap up the guy who left Real Sociadad fifth in their league - what a catch. And passion - yeah, let's have more of that. Let's do it the Welsh way - I mean it's been so successful in the past hasn't it? How am i just accepting it i want Ray as number one but stopping and thinking about it, i think Coleman with Ray and Osain could work! Well, you had your epiphany right after TrendyP had his. Hence the "suggestibility" comment. Understand? |
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