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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 11:55:10 GMT
Even Blackburn Rovers can have a good day at Old Trafford. According to Baxter his win rate at Fulham was 34%. Apply that to a World Cup group.
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Post by stu on Jan 13, 2012 12:01:09 GMT
^^^ The key difference is that in our group we are not Blackburn and there is no United.
Managers of clubs like Fulham are in a relegation dog fight from the first game of the season until the last. When Coleman was there he focused on the 6 pointers because staying up was the be all and end all.
It's nothing like international football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 12:03:23 GMT
Even Blackburn Rovers can have a good day at Old Trafford. According to Baxter his win rate at Fulham was 34%. Apply that to a World Cup group. I'm not disagreeing with you Lee! Tbh, I do not want Coleman to be appointed as much as yourself, but the fact is if he's appointed, there not a lot me, you, anybody on here can do. All I'm attempting to do is see the good from what is currently a horrible situation. |
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 12:06:31 GMT
^^^ The key difference is that in our group we are not Blackburn and there is no United. Managers of clubs like Fulham are in a relegation dog fight from the first game of the season until the last. When Coleman was there he focused on the 6 pointers because staying up was the be all and end all. It's nothing like international football. Wales - like Fulham - are a small fish in a big pond. 34% - not good enough to qualify I'm afraid. |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 13:13:40 GMT
Fairplay his record is actually very good finished 9th with fulham when they were relegation faves, then his top players left obviously they didnt do as well, He left fulham when they didnt win for 7 games, He left real sociadad 5th in thier league, Ok didnt do very well at cov but who would lol, Left larissa with only 1 defeat!!! Which is more than Bowen, Ray, Rush, even Saunders have achieved in the managerial hotseat |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 13:19:38 GMT
Hey, I'm not backing Coleman by any means. But, I will admit that my personal feelings about him did slightly colour my judgement of him.
Yes, he has been an unprofessional moron in the past. And no, he will never be an iconic personality like Mourinho, or a tactical planner like Benitez - let alone an all time great like Ferguson. But I'm just saying that I don't think he is as bad as some are making out.
Of course, it could all go wrong from day one. But, equally, it could all fall in to place. Let's get real: anyone who thinks Gary Speed was a tactical genius, or a cast iron guarantee of success, isn't thinking straight. Sadly, we'll never know how well he would have done.
I stand by my comment that Coleman's Fulham Idea would work well with us - I'm also pretty sure that he played Saha on his own, with two supporting players (although I'm happy to be corrected.)
There's also the possibility that Coleman has just been unlucky in the jobs he has taken. Despite his moronic behaviour at Real, it is a fact that the board changed and we don't know what was going on behind the scenes.
Let me be clear: I don't want Coleman to do the job. But, if we get him I don't necessarily think it HAS to be all doom and gloom. Coleman has a very mediocre club record. Speed was looking like having an appalling club record.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 13:22:01 GMT
I stand by my comment that Coleman's Fulham Idea would work well with us - I'm also pretty sure that he played Saha on his own, with two supporting players (although I'm happy to be corrected.) They never replaced Saha which didn't help. Wasn't it Malbranque and Legwinski meddling behind Saha? Pembridge - who was the heartbeat of Wales under Sparky - played the Crofts role. Hmmmmm........ |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 13:25:21 GMT
Saw him in Pier Pressure in Aberystwyth once with Frank Stapleton, Mark Bowen and a couple of others.
Obviously it was the Irishman who was completely tanked up. Sparky was drinking OJ from memory
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 13:27:53 GMT
I stand by my comment that Coleman's Fulham Idea would work well with us - I'm also pretty sure that he played Saha on his own, with two supporting players (although I'm happy to be corrected.) They never replaced Saha which didn't help. Wasn't it Malbranque and Legwinski meddling behind Saha? Pembridge - who was the heartbeat of Wales under Sparky - played the Crofts role. Hmmmmm........ Yeah, I think so. It's something to think about. |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 13:30:09 GMT
They never replaced Saha which didn't help. Wasn't it Malbranque and Legwinski meddling behind Saha? Pembridge - who was the heartbeat of Wales under Sparky - played the Crofts role. Hmmmmm........ Yeah, I think so. It's something to think about. Lanky goalkeeper with a dodgy haircut? Check in both instances too. Haircuts. Why aren't we picking coaches on the barnet styles of the players they select? |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 13:32:41 GMT
Saw him in Pier Pressure in Aberystwyth What a name for a club! (I'm assuming it's a club.) To be honest, I don't think that this speculation over a possible 'drinking problem' is particularly helpful. Someone mentioned him drinking when he crashed his car. Pretty certain that there would be no way that this information could be withheld at the time of the crash. He may drink too much, but to call him an alcoholic without any real evidence is a bit daft. |
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Post by Tim P on Jan 13, 2012 13:34:48 GMT
Well, if Coleman does get the job then I think he should make a call to Van der Sar and ask him whether he can do a couple of sessions with Hennessey.
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 13:37:27 GMT
Should clarify: I saw Sparky in Pier Pressure (and it is a club, on a pier....natch). I've never seen the Big Brown Welshman in any licensed premises
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 13:47:18 GMT
Not following and copying trendy at all ive been saying Coleman can come in and do a decent job for last few days on my facebook account and welsh page i help run, sorry for my opinion though......... HES SHIT WE DONT NEED COLEMAN  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2012 13:54:58 GMT
It's surprising and disappointing to see the likes of Trendy and Llannerch softening their stance on Coleman.
The only thing positive going for Coleman in my eyes is his willingness to go further afield (Spain & Greece) in developing his coaching cv. Apart from that there is precious little else. He has a win ratio as a manager of 35%.
Most importantly we would likely be throwing away a once in a lifetime opportunity (in Welsh football terms) to qualify for a world cup. I have never seen this happen in 40 years and if Coleman gets the nod will probably never see it.
We have a system that is quite clearly working with a pool of talented motivated players under the current structure. We are on a sharp upward curve because everyone has spent 12 months buying into the vision and methods. We see it in player attendance and desire to be part of each squad. We see it in the continuing depth of players available.
It is clear that Coleman is a polarising figure in all of this - if this was not the case then we would not have the interventions from Ray and Aaron this week.
Mark Bowen was only saying this morning that this was a unique and delicate situation that needs to be handled very carefully as Welsh football will either go one of two ways as a result.
Imagine that the FAW does do the right thing and accedes to the wishes of Ray, Aaron and everyone involved in the Speed legacy. The will and desire to see it through in the camp could be the vital ingredient that finally propels us to overcome the final hurdle that we have found insurmountable in the last 30 years.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jan 13, 2012 13:58:15 GMT
Just wish they would give it to Ray and Osain the passion Ray showed in that interview really summed up how much he wants to lead us!
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jan 13, 2012 13:59:01 GMT
Me and a bunch of lads Saw Sparky, Deano, Savage and one another Welsh player who I cant remeber in Zeus nightclub Cardiff back in the late 1990s. Deano was sound enough but Sparky was rude and basically told us to piss off. We were about 19 at the time and probably loud and pissed up. However, we had just been to watch them play and support them so thought it was a bit harsh.
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Post by idiot on Jan 13, 2012 14:00:12 GMT
Saw him in Pier Pressure in Aberystwyth once with Frank Stapleton, Mark Bowen and a couple of others. how the hell did they end up there?haha..many memories of that place ;D i dont know coleman personally,i think its quite well known he likes a drink and he is a big time charlie surely theres a difference between someone who enjoys a drink and someone whos dependant on it brian clough liked a drink...on the other hand so does george burley who apparently got so drunk while he was in the sky pundits box he pissed himself while richard keys asked him about fist half procedings |
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Post by idiot on Jan 13, 2012 14:03:13 GMT
just because a manager set his side up a certain way in the past,it doesnt mean he will set up the same way at his new job
you can read too much into things sometimes
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 13, 2012 17:36:11 GMT
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Post by lyndysea on Jan 13, 2012 18:15:42 GMT
I'm certainly not pushing for Coleman to get the job but two things in his favour - he bought Simon Davies and Clint Dempsey. Simon has had his injury problems, unfortunately for Wales, but Coleman recognised his talent and Dempsey has proved a good buy for Fulham
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 13, 2012 18:46:52 GMT
Leescratchpele, many thanks for posting link. Agree totally. |
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Post by llannerch on Jan 13, 2012 21:36:35 GMT
so does george burley who apparently got so drunk while he was in the sky pundits box he pissed himself while richard keys asked him about fist half procedings Fucking hilarious. Never heard that before. Don't believe it for a second though  |
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Jan 14, 2012 10:20:10 GMT
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Post by leescratchpele on Jan 14, 2012 10:56:26 GMT
It's a shame they didn't actually advertise the postition instead of just going out and tapping up Coleman. Or have I got that wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 14:47:51 GMT
the scum say he's got it then...don't really know what to think of it...he might surprise me and do a good job with the team with Raymond Verheijen and Osian Roberts, i don't know why but Ian Rush seems like a good choice for me?! mmm
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Post by yrarglwyddlucan on Jan 14, 2012 15:06:51 GMT
On today’s Football Focus Hartson was advocated by Shearer and Savage. That had to be an attack on Coleman. It wasn’t clear what qualifications Hartson was thought to have that Coleman doesn’t. Is there a campaign of disruption intended to benefit TeamUK? Is Ford acting under orders as part of that campaign? How did Giggs get offered the job at a time when the FAW was supposed, out of respect for Speed’s memory, not to be considering a replacement?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2012 15:48:29 GMT
Is there a campaign of disruption intended to benefit TeamUK? Is Ford acting under orders as part of that campaign? Good shout! It's not ironic to me that in the last three weeks that least four Wales players [Matthews, Williams, Allen and Taylor] have had letters from Stuart Pearce asking them to play whilst all this disruption erupts around them. |
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Post by walrus on Jan 15, 2012 4:00:59 GMT
I was against Speed in the being appointed but as soon as he was i realised we have to back the manager. Once again i see Coleman as a backward step but he must be supported. I will through gritted teeth but hopefully he will surprise us.
If he has any sense he'll allow the current template to continue and mould himself to its ways rather than the other way around.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 15, 2012 11:59:47 GMT
I was against Speed in the being appointed but as soon as he was i realised we have to back the manager. Once again i see Coleman as a backward step but he must be supported. I will through gritted teeth but hopefully he will surprise us. If he has any sense he'll allow the current template to continue and mould himself to its ways rather than the other way around. good point,mate. many were against speed (not me,may i add) but backed him in the end.we have got to back whoever gets appointed(i would even have backed sanchez if he had got it) otherwise we end up in a self destructive situation like blackburn with keen. |
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