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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 21:04:48 GMT
Crikey, sounds like it was written by Ray himself! From reading that it gives the impression that Ray did everything while Speed sat on his thumbs, no mention as well of Ray considering his options before Speed died, hmm...... Mainly though, what I take from that is another reminder that we should have cut out the whole Speed/Ray drama and gone with Lagerback in the first place. Iceland must be pissing themselves at how fucking stupid our FA and in particular, Jonathan Ford are. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 31, 2013 21:13:12 GMT
Crikey, sounds like it was written by Ray himself! From reading that it gives the impression that Ray did everything while Speed sat on his thumbs, no mention as well of Ray considering his options before Speed died, hmm...... Mainly though, what I take from that is another reminder that we should have cut out the whole Speed/Ray drama and gone with Lagerback in the first place. Iceland must be pissing themselves at how fucking stupid our FA and in particular, Jonathan Ford are. I knew you'd say that storm!  Skip the speed part (although it paints an odd picture of the FAW's motives) and I think it raises some good points on what the FAW are really after and why Lagerback was overlooked. A yes man, someone they can control and is marketable - not the best man for the job. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 31, 2013 21:15:36 GMT
also Ray and Speed were considering their options due to FAW meddling
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 21:46:51 GMT
Crikey, sounds like it was written by Ray himself! From reading that it gives the impression that Ray did everything while Speed sat on his thumbs, no mention as well of Ray considering his options before Speed died, hmm...... Mainly though, what I take from that is another reminder that we should have cut out the whole Speed/Ray drama and gone with Lagerback in the first place. Iceland must be pissing themselves at how fucking stupid our FA and in particular, Jonathan Ford are. I knew you'd say that storm! Skip the speed part (although it paints an odd picture of the FAW's motives) and I think it raises some good points on what the FAW are really after and why Lagerback was overlooked. A yes man, someone they can control and is marketable - not the best man for the job. Well I have always said that Speed was a shirt seller appointment and that article (if true) suggests that that is exactly what they saw in Speed- it just so happens that he managed to be a success (for a short while) which I can only assume wasn't in the brief. I mean Ian Rush the favourite for the bloody job, with his record?!?! I really hope now that people on here stop their championing of Ford as the bringer of change. He may modernise the council but all that will do is mean less dissenters for when he tries to install Ian Rush again the next time the job comes up. Ford is nothing more than a marketing guy ("success doe not necessarily have to be measured against qualification") and is patently part of the problem along with the old councillors. He wants bums on seats and shirts being sold and revenue generated so they can increase the budget for more jollies to the continent. We are run from top to bottom by a crack squad of absolute 24 carat gold c***s who don't care if we never qualify in their (or ours, for that matter) lifetimes. End of. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2013 21:52:31 GMT
Very good and sad article and a damning endictment of the FAW. |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 31, 2013 22:36:40 GMT
Now it looks like we've all got what we want, The search for the replacement will begin.
I very much doubt that the glamorous foreigner that many on here have set their heart on will come to fruition.
I doubt Ryan 'retired from international football unless it is a high profile tournament in the UK' Giggs will be appointed.
Tony '£1.5 million a year please' Pulis seems a non-starter.
Are the journeyman lower league managers like Saunders,Davey and Jackett really any better than Coleman?
I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 31, 2013 22:37:27 GMT
Now it looks like we've all got what we want, The search for the replacement will begin.
I very much doubt that the glamorous foreigner that many on here have set their heart on will come to fruition.
I doubt Ryan 'retired from international football unless it is a high profile tournament in the UK' Giggs will be appointed.
Tony '£1.5 million a year please' Pulis seems a non-starter.
Are the journeyman lower league managers like Saunders,Davey and Jackett really any better than Coleman?
I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman.
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Post by georgetm1 on Oct 31, 2013 22:58:33 GMT
Thinking about it, maybe the FAW will get a foreign manager. I have been unfairly calling them xenophobic while totally forgetting about that Finnish guy Matikainen being in charge of the womens team for the past 5 years.
Maybe just maybe we will get a foreign manager in.
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Post by llannerch on Nov 1, 2013 6:48:17 GMT
Now it looks like we've all got what we want Really? |
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Post by Tim P on Nov 1, 2013 8:44:14 GMT
I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman. Craig Bellamy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 9:52:48 GMT
I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman. Craig Bellamy. The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 11:15:00 GMT
I'd be so disappointed in Coleman and the FAW if he goes to Palace. The players have come out and said that they want Chris Coleman to be their manager. I still think Coleman will stay on as manager, he truly believes and wants Wales to qualify for a major tournament, Euro 2016 is our time. It would be idiotic to have anyone else manage us in the next campaign IMO  . As you know, you and I have been at one on this but I have been disappointed about how hesitant Coleman has been at times. When asked whether he wishes to continue, the answer should be "Yes" and not references to talking it out with the FAW etc. I have serious concerns about our options should Coleman leave. A Giggsy appointment could take us back to the Sparky era. A Bellamy appointment is too much of the unknown for me. Anyone bringing in Dutch Ray is a non-starter at a number of levels. I had previously made three suggestions for a replacement (were we to lose Coleman) - Paulo Sausa, Glenn Hoddle & Nigel Clough. The latter two are no longer an option. The first is contracted to a club elsewhere. The calls for Pulis and Trappatoni go against the continuity required. We now have a trajectory (started by Toshack) where continental football and youth development are core to our future. We must never go back! My view is that our appointment needs to do two things: (i) buy-into policies regarding youth and style and (ii) Make us harder to beat. This is why I cannot think of anyone beyond Sausa. Any other suggestions of people who could work within these parameters? |
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Post by Tim P on Nov 1, 2013 11:15:46 GMT
The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? Well, this is true. The FAW are always a concern, and rightly so. But steps are being taken to reform them, so clearly there is an appetite for change - even from within the FAW. I think bringing Verheijen back would be difficult, but not impossible. I'd like to think Craig Bellamy has better options though. Genuine question (and I would look it up but haven't got time right now): has either Bale or Ramsey or Ashley Williams ever spoken up for Verheijen? |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 11:17:14 GMT
Now it looks like we've all got what we want, The search for the replacement will begin. I very much doubt that the glamorous foreigner that many on here have set their heart on will come to fruition. I doubt Ryan 'retired from international football unless it is a high profile tournament in the UK' Giggs will be appointed. Tony '£1.5 million a year please' Pulis seems a non-starter. Are the journeyman lower league managers like Saunders,Davey and Jackett really any better than Coleman? I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman. With respect, you are not speaking for "all". A minority of us on Apostle were supportive of Coleman continuing. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 11:19:48 GMT
The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? Well, this is true. The FAW are always a concern, and rightly so. But steps are being taken to reform them, so clearly there is an appetite for change - even from within the FAW. I think bringing Verheijen back would be difficult, but not impossible. I'd like to think Craig Bellamy has better options though. Genuine question (and I would look it up but haven't got time right now): has either Bale or Ramsey or Ashley Williams ever spoken up for Verheijen? Some excellent points here, especially the final paragraph. I do have a further concern. You refer to steps being taken to reform but this can only happen with the support of those involved in the current system supporting change. |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 11:50:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 11:50:40 GMT
Any other suggestions of people who could work within these parameters? Roberto Di Matteo? |
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 12:15:39 GMT
Any other suggestions of people who could work within these parameters? Roberto Di Matteo? I think that is an excellent suggestion. Think he would jump at the chance to manage SuperBale, Ramsey & Joniesta. If a success, his CV is transformed (not that he was bad anyway). Only questions here would be: - Could money be an issue?
- He would need to bring in someone to work on making us tighter to beat. I think that this is where he has come unstuck in the past
Thanks for this one pal. Well worth consideration. Lets hope that we do not get an insistence on the next appointment being Welsh. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 1, 2013 12:34:28 GMT
The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? Well, this is true. The FAW are always a concern, and rightly so. But steps are being taken to reform them, so clearly there is an appetite for change - even from within the FAW. I think bringing Verheijen back would be difficult, but not impossible. I'd like to think Craig Bellamy has better options though. Genuine question (and I would look it up but haven't got time right now): has either Bale or Ramsey or Ashley Williams ever spoken up for Verheijen? Bale and ramsey: His comments echo those of Gareth Bale from December, when the Tottenham and Wales winger said he hoped the FAW would "come to their senses and stick with what we've got". "Gary brought in a lot of staff and we had a structure there which we all knew, what we had to do, and we just want as little change as possible," Ramsey said today. "We had great results in the last few games. "Everyone was playing with confidence and the style he and the staff have shown us we've adapted to well. "We don't want to have a big change now and have to go through that process again." Verheijen has expressed firm interest in taking charge and Ramsey would not want to see he and Roberts leave. "Absolutely, I think that's key," Ramsey said. "I've spoken to a few of the other players about it and they all feel like I do. "We need to keep the staff we have now and I think what we've done so far has been really good and we can still build on it. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 1, 2013 12:39:32 GMT
The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? Well, this is true. The FAW are always a concern, and rightly so. But steps are being taken to reform them, so clearly there is an appetite for change - even from within the FAW. I think bringing Verheijen back would be difficult, but not impossible. I'd like to think Craig Bellamy has better options though. Genuine question (and I would look it up but haven't got time right now): has either Bale or Ramsey or Ashley Williams ever spoken up for Verheijen? "It's a massive blow for everybody (Speed's death)," said Bale. "Nobody expected it at all, but I think we would definitely want to keep the same set-up. "Raymond's done a fantastic job with Gary Speed and yeah, we want to keep it that way. "Hopefully all the board members, all the FAW members will see sense and we've got a major tournament around the corner and we're playing some great football and we're getting actual results. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 1, 2013 12:42:14 GMT
The two questions for me are: 1. The faw has a track record of utter failure and maintenance of the status quo and achieve this by appointing 'safe options'. Will they go for bellamy. He will want to do it 'his way'. 2. Given the way the faw undermined speed's team to regain control, how much control will bellamy be given e.g. In selecting a management team? Well, this is true. The FAW are always a concern, and rightly so. But steps are being taken to reform them, so clearly there is an appetite for change - even from within the FAW. I think bringing Verheijen back would be difficult, but not impossible. I'd like to think Craig Bellamy has better options though. Genuine question (and I would look it up but haven't got time right now): has either Bale or Ramsey or Ashley Williams ever spoken up for Verheijen? Ricketts: “I’ve got to know Raymond over the last few years, especially with me being injured. I’ve picked his brains on numerous occasions about me coming back from injury and what I should do. “He’s one of the best in the world, if not the best in the world, and you want to work with the best people. He’s been outstanding for me and was hugely influential in the strides that we’ve taken.” |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 1, 2013 12:52:42 GMT
This is his CV yet people on here still don't want him. Affordable, part of the previous set up a superb CV and more international experience then anyone at the FAW or has EVER worked with the FAW. Why you wouldn't want someone with his pedigree on board is beyond belief. arunfoot.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/raymond-verheijen-former-barca-chelsea.htmlIt wont happen because of the FAW and he is outspoken (to his detriment) but he ticks all the boxes as far as a good international coach that wales can afford. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2013 12:58:22 GMT
Thanks for this one pal. Well worth consideration. Lets hope that we do not get an insistence on the next appointment being Welsh. It's going to be Bellamy if Coleman goes, I'll be stunned if it's not pal. |
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Post by biwmares on Nov 1, 2013 13:24:01 GMT
Thanks for this one pal. Well worth consideration. Lets hope that we do not get an insistence on the next appointment being Welsh. It's going to be Bellamy if Coleman goes, I'll be stunned if it's not pal. Bellamy should have been appointed after the tragic death of Speed. We wasted yet another campaign by appointing Coleman & Co |
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Post by abwales on Nov 1, 2013 14:07:02 GMT
Some of you guys do make me laugh. Di matteo? He won the champions league in his last job and he'd cost millions a year. There's no way in hell he'll be our next manager. I think we should go for Guardiola or Mourinho!
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Post by toshfan on Nov 1, 2013 18:37:09 GMT
Some of you guys do make me laugh. Di matteo? He won the champions league in his last job and he'd cost millions a year. There's no way in hell he'll be our next manager. I think we should go for Guardiola or Mourinho! You mock those who mooted Di Matteo and those who acknowledged he is worthy of consideration. Yet you have gone for two who are probably the least realistic options in World Football  |
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Post by biwmares on Nov 1, 2013 18:48:43 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Nov 1, 2013 19:24:14 GMT
Some of you guys do make me laugh. Di matteo? He won the champions league in his last job and he'd cost millions a year. There's no way in hell he'll be our next manager. I think we should go for Guardiola or Mourinho! You mock those who mooted Di Matteo and those who acknowledged he is worthy of consideration. Yet you have gone for two who are probably the least realistic options in World Football Odds now shortened for Guardiola or Mourinho for next wales manager memedepot.com/uploads/500/799_Fouad.jpg |
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Post by abwales on Nov 1, 2013 20:33:36 GMT
I think we should go for Guardiola or Mourinho! You mock those who mooted Di Matteo and those who acknowledged he is worthy of consideration. Yet you have gone for two who are probably the least realistic options in World Football #facepalm #sarcasm |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 1, 2013 23:14:33 GMT
Now it looks like we've all got what we want, The search for the replacement will begin. I very much doubt that the glamorous foreigner that many on here have set their heart on will come to fruition. I doubt Ryan 'retired from international football unless it is a high profile tournament in the UK' Giggs will be appointed. Tony '£1.5 million a year please' Pulis seems a non-starter. Are the journeyman lower league managers like Saunders,Davey and Jackett really any better than Coleman? I genuinely dread to think who will replace Coleman. With respect, you are not speaking for "all". A minority of us on Apostle were supportive of Coleman continuing. apologies, the context of this didn't come out right somehow.It was me more or less saying that apostle and the welsh public have got what they want, but what do we do now? Is it really such a good idea? If you look at my other posts, I'm generally supportive of Coleman, I just want a manager who we are all behind(suppose that will never happen though) |
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Skip the speed part (although it paints an odd picture of the FAW's motives) and I think it raises some good points on what the FAW are really after and why Lagerback was overlooked. A yes man, someone they can control and is marketable - not the best man for the job. 
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