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Post by larslagerback on Dec 30, 2016 22:27:14 GMT
Don't bank on us getting an improvement on Coleman,if he left the list of possible replacements would be less inspiring than the List of names that Swansea are currently looking at Only because the bookies themselves are clueless about international football so the only thing they know is the list of default British names like Pardew, Curbishley et al. If we were to court international names like Lagerback I daresay we would get a bite. However the FAW will no doubt go Welsh again with Giggsy top of the list. I'm freeeee! Anyway, I reckon Cookie will go to China after this campaign. |
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Post by manulike on Dec 30, 2016 23:15:56 GMT
Cookie has just been given an OBE, and in my books deserves nothing less than a Sainthood.
No idea what he got from the FAW before he extended his contract, but his new contract only earns him £500.000.
He could have got closer to £4m from Hull and around £3m in the Swansea role (not to mention that muppet Woy that got 6m!).
In my books he is a man of honour, integrity and true to his word.
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Post by biwmares on Dec 30, 2016 23:51:27 GMT
So the favourites for the job are Gary Rowett and Paul Clement, both never managed in the premiership & dubious records, when Clement was manager at Derby he failed & Rowett has never managed a big league club. They would be better off appointing & backing someone who knows the club in Alan Curtis until the end of the season at least. He may even play the Welsh qualified players at the club. Full of truisms and cliches “cliches are truisms and all truisms are true”  |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Dec 31, 2016 7:58:45 GMT
So the favourites for the job are Gary Rowett and Paul Clement, both never managed in the premiership & dubious records, when Clement was manager at Derby he failed & Rowett has never managed a big league club. They would be better off appointing & backing someone who knows the club in Alan Curtis until the end of the season at least. He may even play the Welsh qualified players at the club. Clements was terrible at Derby came in over hyped with all who he worked with. Football was terrible caused unrest and his off field activities had a lot to be desired .. allegedly.. I would say be better off getting likes of Harry in to help till end of season, hold on till colman available. If we lose at Dublin and Serbia then out chances are gone of qualifying thenot so maybe as campaign over build from there. Chris is leaving after this campaign |
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Post by Jamie-Bins on Jan 2, 2017 2:35:25 GMT
Just watched this for the 4th time, not sure I'll ever get bored of it. Totally agree about Nic Parry, some of his one liners are unbelievable, Malcolm Allen is just gold! My sky+ box is now 90% full of Euro 2016 related programmes haha.
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jan 3, 2017 0:01:14 GMT
Bollocks I missed this. Looks like it's gone from iplayer/S4C clic. Anyone know where I might be able to catch it..?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 18:04:07 GMT
Cookie has just been given an OBE, and in my books deserves nothing less than a Sainthood. No idea what he got from the FAW before he extended his contract, but his new contract only earns him £500.000. He could have got closer to £4m from Hull and around £3m in the Swansea role (not to mention that muppet Woy that got 6m!). In my books he is a man of honour, integrity and true to his word. In the words of Monty Python 'He's not the messiah...." I'm going to ramp the controversial up to 11 here (and probably piss a lot of people off) by gently suggesting that people have been getting carried away with the eulogising of Coleman. Qualifying for the Euros was fairly trivial with the expanded format, it was harder not to qualify and a team with our resources at that time had no excuse not to be there. Getting to the semi finals and topping the group was quite an achievement but still not worth the high esteem Coleman is now held in, imo. For me, the World Cup is the acid test - the margin for error far reduced from the expanded Euros format and so far, unfortunately, we have been found wanting. If Coleman can get us to the World cup semi finals from here then I will be balls deep myself in the calls for sainthoods. As it is, I rather fear, as I am sure most on these boards do, that we will be watching yet another World Cup on the TV having failed to capitalise on our best chance to get there since 1994, if not 58. That for me will very much temper the achievements of the summer of 16. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jan 6, 2017 20:44:52 GMT
Cookie has just been given an OBE, and in my books deserves nothing less than a Sainthood. No idea what he got from the FAW before he extended his contract, but his new contract only earns him £500.000. He could have got closer to £4m from Hull and around £3m in the Swansea role (not to mention that muppet Woy that got 6m!). In my books he is a man of honour, integrity and true to his word. But being as he had an affair, lied about his washing machine and lost his passport "He's a very naughty boy" :-) |
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Post by larslagerback on Jan 7, 2017 12:11:17 GMT
Cookie has just been given an OBE, and in my books deserves nothing less than a Sainthood. No idea what he got from the FAW before he extended his contract, but his new contract only earns him £500.000. He could have got closer to £4m from Hull and around £3m in the Swansea role (not to mention that muppet Woy that got 6m!). In my books he is a man of honour, integrity and true to his word. In the words of Monty Python 'He's not the messiah...." I'm going to ramp the controversial up to 11 here (and probably piss a lot of people off) by gently suggesting that people have been getting carried away with the eulogising of Coleman. Qualifying for the Euros was fairly trivial with the expanded format, it was harder not to qualify and a team with our resources at that time had no excuse not to be there. Getting to the semi finals and topping the group was quite an achievement but still not worth the high esteem Coleman is now held in, imo. For me, the World Cup is the acid test - the margin for error far reduced from the expanded Euros format and so far, unfortunately, we have been found wanting. If Coleman can get us to the World cup semi finals from here then I will be balls deep myself in the calls for sainthoods. As it is, I rather fear, as I am sure most on these boards do, that we will be watching yet another World Cup on the TV having failed to capitalise on our best chance to get there since 1994, if not 58. That for me will very much temper the achievements of the summer of 16. Found wanting whilst (mainly) not being able to field our strongest team. It's not black and white really. Is Cookie a saint? Not for me. Is he a terrible manager? Clearly not. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 7, 2017 13:16:02 GMT
Cookie has just been given an OBE, and in my books deserves nothing less than a Sainthood. No idea what he got from the FAW before he extended his contract, but his new contract only earns him £500.000. He could have got closer to £4m from Hull and around £3m in the Swansea role (not to mention that muppet Woy that got 6m!). In my books he is a man of honour, integrity and true to his word. In the words of Monty Python 'He's not the messiah...." I'm going to ramp the controversial up to 11 here (and probably piss a lot of people off) by gently suggesting that people have been getting carried away with the eulogising of Coleman. Qualifying for the Euros was fairly trivial with the expanded format, it was harder not to qualify and a team with our resources at that time had no excuse not to be there. Getting to the semi finals and topping the group was quite an achievement but still not worth the high esteem Coleman is now held in, imo. For me, the World Cup is the acid test - the margin for error far reduced from the expanded Euros format and so far, unfortunately, we have been found wanting. If Coleman can get us to the World cup semi finals from here then I will be balls deep myself in the calls for sainthoods. As it is, I rather fear, as I am sure most on these boards do, that we will be watching yet another World Cup on the TV having failed to capitalise on our best chance to get there since 1994, if not 58. That for me will very much temper the achievements of the summer of 16. So,as he shouldn't be getting so much credit for the achievements of last year, are you saying that if Wales hadn't qualified for Euro 2016 then it wouldn't have been his fault? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 13:22:53 GMT
Storm in controversy shocker (!)
I just don't think a change in manager halfwY through a campaign will ever work. It's different to club football. The unsettlement of the camp (especially after the euros) would never overcome the challenges coming up.
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 7, 2017 14:15:42 GMT
Storm in controversy shocker (!) I just don't think a change in manager halfwY through a campaign will ever work. It's different to club football. The unsettlement of the camp (especially after the euros) would never overcome the challenges coming up. Ha ha, I'm never sure if he is doing it on purpose so I try not to bite. Ironic that a Monty Python reference was used as I'm pretty sure Storm doesn't 'always look on the bright side of life' |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 15:36:27 GMT
In the words of Monty Python 'He's not the messiah...." I'm going to ramp the controversial up to 11 here (and probably piss a lot of people off) by gently suggesting that people have been getting carried away with the eulogising of Coleman. Qualifying for the Euros was fairly trivial with the expanded format, it was harder not to qualify and a team with our resources at that time had no excuse not to be there. Getting to the semi finals and topping the group was quite an achievement but still not worth the high esteem Coleman is now held in, imo. For me, the World Cup is the acid test - the margin for error far reduced from the expanded Euros format and so far, unfortunately, we have been found wanting. If Coleman can get us to the World cup semi finals from here then I will be balls deep myself in the calls for sainthoods. As it is, I rather fear, as I am sure most on these boards do, that we will be watching yet another World Cup on the TV having failed to capitalise on our best chance to get there since 1994, if not 58. That for me will very much temper the achievements of the summer of 16. Found wanting whilst (mainly) not being able to field our strongest team. It's not black and white really. Is Cookie a saint? Not for me. Is he a terrible manager? Clearly not. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. That is it, in a nutshell. Although I would contest your point about being able to field his strongest team. That has to be taken into account but we have also been in front in the games that ended in draws yet we weren't able to see the game out. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
In the words of Monty Python 'He's not the messiah...." I'm going to ramp the controversial up to 11 here (and probably piss a lot of people off) by gently suggesting that people have been getting carried away with the eulogising of Coleman. Qualifying for the Euros was fairly trivial with the expanded format, it was harder not to qualify and a team with our resources at that time had no excuse not to be there. Getting to the semi finals and topping the group was quite an achievement but still not worth the high esteem Coleman is now held in, imo. For me, the World Cup is the acid test - the margin for error far reduced from the expanded Euros format and so far, unfortunately, we have been found wanting. If Coleman can get us to the World cup semi finals from here then I will be balls deep myself in the calls for sainthoods. As it is, I rather fear, as I am sure most on these boards do, that we will be watching yet another World Cup on the TV having failed to capitalise on our best chance to get there since 1994, if not 58. That for me will very much temper the achievements of the summer of 16. So,as he shouldn't be getting so much credit for the achievements of last year, are you saying that if Wales hadn't qualified for Euro 2016 then it wouldn't have been his fault? I'm saying it collectively really, players and manager alike. I'm not much of a fan of the expanded Euros format so that is what contributes to my opinion. It provides quite a contrast with the World Cup equivalent. A contrast even more stark when considering we were top seed this WC and we have found it tough to keep up with the pace. If this was the Euros we would still be comfortably on to qualify. As it is we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Could it be argued that just getting to the World Cup is a bigger challenge than getting to the semis of a 24 team Euros? Might be going too far with that one.... Storm in controversy shocker (!) I just don't think a change in manager halfwY through a campaign will ever work. It's different to club football. The unsettlement of the camp (especially after the euros) would never overcome the challenges coming up. Ha ha, I'm never sure if he is doing it on purpose so I try not to bite. Ironic that a Monty Python reference was used as I'm pretty sure Storm doesn't 'always look on the bright side of life' I am totally serious! Knew it would probably be going too far against the prevailing mood and draw some retorts (although good natured ones it seems!). As I said above, whilst I was obviously overjoyed for us to be there and HRK's turn was as good as my year got the qualifying requirements for the Euros these days are less like a locked door in Fort Knox and more like a couple of saloon doors swinging in the breeze. We proved that we are a decent footballing side when we got there though and that is to Coleman's credit. |
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Post by marsvolta on Jan 7, 2017 16:47:57 GMT
So,as he shouldn't be getting so much credit for the achievements of last year, are you saying that if Wales hadn't qualified for Euro 2016 then it wouldn't have been his fault? I'm saying it collectively really, players and manager alike. I'm not much of a fan of the expanded Euros format so that is what contributes to my opinion. It provides quite a contrast with the World Cup equivalent. A contrast even more stark when considering we were top seed this WC and we have found it tough to keep up with the pace. If this was the Euros we would still be comfortably on to qualify. As it is we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Could it be argued that just getting to the World Cup is a bigger challenge than getting to the semis of a 24 team Euros? Might be going too far with that one.... Ha ha, I'm never sure if he is doing it on purpose so I try not to bite. Ironic that a Monty Python reference was used as I'm pretty sure Storm doesn't 'always look on the bright side of life' I am totally serious! Knew it would probably be going too far against the prevailing mood and draw some retorts (although good natured ones it seems!). As I said above, whilst I was obviously overjoyed for us to be there and HRK's turn was as good as my year got the qualifying requirements for the Euros these days are less like a locked door in Fort Knox and more like a couple of saloon doors swinging in the breeze. We proved that we are a decent footballing side when we got there though and that is to Coleman's credit. Even though I don't know you it's hard to imagine you celebrating Robson-Kane's goal but I'll take your word for it.Ha ha. Sometimes I wish I could look at it as dispassionately and objectively as you but I get carried away, ha ha. I know at times we were lucky and I know deep down we aren't world beaters but I don't care how we got there and don't care if Coleman gets credit he doesn't deserve, that summer in France will stay with me forever |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2017 16:54:44 GMT
I'm saying it collectively really, players and manager alike. I'm not much of a fan of the expanded Euros format so that is what contributes to my opinion. It provides quite a contrast with the World Cup equivalent. A contrast even more stark when considering we were top seed this WC and we have found it tough to keep up with the pace. If this was the Euros we would still be comfortably on to qualify. As it is we are hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Could it be argued that just getting to the World Cup is a bigger challenge than getting to the semis of a 24 team Euros? Might be going too far with that one.... I am totally serious! Knew it would probably be going too far against the prevailing mood and draw some retorts (although good natured ones it seems!). As I said above, whilst I was obviously overjoyed for us to be there and HRK's turn was as good as my year got the qualifying requirements for the Euros these days are less like a locked door in Fort Knox and more like a couple of saloon doors swinging in the breeze. We proved that we are a decent footballing side when we got there though and that is to Coleman's credit. Even though I don't know you it's hard to imagine you celebrating Robson-Kane's goal but I'll take your word for it.Ha ha. Sometimes I wish I could look at it as dispassionately and objectively as you but I get carried away, ha ha. I know at times we were lucky and I know deep down we aren't world beaters but I don't care how we got there and don't care if Coleman gets credit he doesn't deserve, that summer in France will stay with me forever That is it, I don't intentionally try to wind people up with contentious opposite views - I am just objective at all times (mostly) which comes across like I can be a kill joy at times, I guess. I know what I hold in high esteem and for me the WC is the big one. I could die happy after seeing Wales play at a WC finals. Oh and you have no idea about the HRK goal- I was in a villa in Spain pissed out of my face on Estrella. Like everyone else I just did not see that turn coming and when it happened and the ball was in the net I made a guttural roar of sheer relief and sank to my knees with arms upraised. I looked like the geezer of the 'Platoon' DVD cover As soon as it had fully sunk in I realised I had broken my knee caps on the tile floor on the villa. Thanks for that HRK  |
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Post by iot on Jan 7, 2017 21:09:14 GMT
Even though I don't know you it's hard to imagine you celebrating Robson-Kane's goal but I'll take your word for it.Ha ha. Sometimes I wish I could look at it as dispassionately and objectively as you but I get carried away, ha ha. I know at times we were lucky and I know deep down we aren't world beaters but I don't care how we got there and don't care if Coleman gets credit he doesn't deserve, that summer in France will stay with me forever That is it, I don't intentionally try to wind people up with contentious opposite views - I am just objective at all times (mostly) which comes across like I can be a kill joy at times, I guess. I know what I hold in high esteem and for me the WC is the big one. I could die happy after seeing Wales play at a WC finals. Oh and you have no idea about the HRK goal- I was in a villa in Spain pissed out of my face on Estrella. Like everyone else I just did not see that turn coming and when it happened and the ball was in the net I made a guttural roar of sheer relief and sank to my knees with arms upraised. I looked like the geezer of the 'Platoon' DVD cover As soon as it had fully sunk in I realised I had broken my knee caps on the tile floor on the villa. Thanks for that HRK I'm not sure if that's entirely accurate - it might actually be the opposite. It might not be that others are naive about coleman while you're looking at it more dispassionately. It might be that others are more objective in how we assess the level Wales is at, believeing that we've been well above par over the last couple of years, and Coleman is therefore doing a great job. Say what you want about the expanded euros format but we managed 21 points in the last campaign followed up by a run to the semi finals. That's an amazing achievement, you shouldn't downplay it. |
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Post by manulike on Jan 7, 2017 21:41:13 GMT
... BREAKING NEW ....
Sources close to Saint Donald have Tweeted that in a special meeting with Saint BiBi and Saint Vladimir, they have decided that as a special gesture to welcome in 2017, The Russian Federation will waive the requirement to actually qualify for the WC for the Wales, USA and Israel teams ;-)
Saint Christopher has welcomed the news...
Its my Party ... and I'll Party Like its 1999 ;-)
... which was actually a very good year for St Vladimir ;-)
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Post by hookd on Apr 13, 2017 22:25:38 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8daes-0vSoFascinating insights here! He is clearly a very intelligent man and you can see he is a born leader. For all his failings - you gotta love his passion and commitment
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Post by zenith on Apr 14, 2017 7:19:48 GMT
Thanks for posting this, I look forward to watching
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Post by traeth on Apr 14, 2017 11:09:56 GMT
a great insight , surprise that there were empty seats there
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Post by zenith on Apr 14, 2017 16:47:43 GMT
Really enjoyed that, really good insight, especially the Slovakia game.
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Post by zombienation on Apr 16, 2017 18:01:57 GMT
Chris Coleman is currently here in Doha as a guest pundit on beIN Sports with Andy Gray and Richard Keys. He covered all of the Premier League games yesterday and today, and will do the Arsenal match tomorrow night before the Champions League matches on Tuesday and Wednesday.
Keys questioned him for a few minutes yesterday about the whole Euros experience. He had nothing groundbreaking to say; just emphasized that the team spirit and willingness to learn and fight for each other was like none other he has encountered in his career. He also said that Bale is, hands down, the player he has found easiest to manage. Always the first to take on board new ideas, without being afraid to question in a respectful manner, whilst always being the last off the training ground. Perfect combination according to Coleman.
I very much look forward to meeting him at a charity dinner/Q&A/knees up at Doha Golf Club on Thursday night. Decent line up of ex-players due to be present - Gullit, Yorke, McCoist, McLeish, John Collins. Ramon Calderon (former Real Madrid President) also attending.
If I get the opportunity to ask him a question, what should it be?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 19:30:49 GMT
Something along the lines of: "Can you explain your selection criteria, bearing in mind that we never have friendlies so you are limited in the ways that you can evaluate a player" Unfortunately "Arrange a fucking friendly!" is a statement so I have had to try and convert it into a question  |
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Post by bale-droed on Apr 17, 2017 5:19:52 GMT
I'd ask him why he felt Wilson was ready at 16 with no 1st team games under his belt but Woodburn wasn't ready despite playing for Liverpools first team
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 6:25:50 GMT
I'd ask him why he felt Wilson was ready at 16 with no 1st team games under his belt but Woodburn wasn't ready despite playing for Liverpools first team I imagine we wouldn't like the answer to that one, so probably best to leave it be... |
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Post by zenith on Apr 17, 2017 7:39:58 GMT
I'd ask him why he felt Wilson was ready at 16 with no 1st team games under his belt but Woodburn wasn't ready despite playing for Liverpools first team You don't have to be Coleman to know the answer to that |
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Post by iot on Apr 17, 2017 10:30:08 GMT
I'd ask him why he felt Wilson was ready at 16 with no 1st team games under his belt but Woodburn wasn't ready despite playing for Liverpools first team It's fairly obvious that bringing him on in the 88th min was to tie him down to Wales, but Coleman could easily have batted away that question as it's not like for like at all. Wilson came on in a game where we had around 15 injuries and there was nothing riding on it. We can hardly say the same about the Ireland game. Also, I've seen every minute of senior football Woodburn has played and being truthful, he hasn't had much impact on the games and doesn't look quite ready. Brilliant prospect and Klopp obviously has a lot of faith in him, but there's not much to suggest he would have made a difference in the Ireland game. |
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Post by derynglas on Apr 17, 2017 11:17:20 GMT
We got a late equaliser and an unlikely point that night anyway so cant see the controversy.
Woodburn could well have got on in Dublin if it had been 11 v 11.
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