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Post by phillywelsh83 on Oct 12, 2017 13:19:50 GMT
I think he will feel more pressure to stay now because we haven't qualified. If we had qualified he could have gone out chin up. Now he has a decision to make. To be honest other than Swans job if that became available, what job is he going to get? After the Euros, the best job he could get was Hull. Good point Do you think Michael o Neill has done a better job? ( I do) and do you think he would get a job at say Palace or West Ham? I think Michael O'Neill has performed miracles. We have done well with our squad. Now Northern Ireland that is one almighty limited squad! He has worked wonders. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 12, 2017 13:30:52 GMT
Yeah he's done one better than us in the last two qualifying campaigns. Hats off to him.
Take note any clubs after Coleman...Michael O'Neill is your man!
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 13, 2017 7:54:02 GMT
If we had got to the World Cup Coleman would have had plenty of offers after the tournament. As it is, I'm sure a few clubs that were keeping an eye on him may be having second thoughts. That's the scenario which worries me the most. We have a Manager that has previously suggested that he wouldn't stay on after the World Cup but due to lack of offers in club management he (1) continues as the Welsh Manager either with his heart not being 101% in the role or (2) he is just binding his time until his ideal job comes up. We have been in both these situations before (1) the end of Toshack's era when he recognised that his plan wasn't going to fully come to fruition but stayed on into the new campaign (2) the end of Mark Hughes era when it was obvious that he had run out of ideas, just wanted to beat England in the forthcoming game and then get a job in the Premier League. |
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Post by iot on Oct 13, 2017 15:52:58 GMT
If we had got to the World Cup Coleman would have had plenty of offers after the tournament. As it is, I'm sure a few clubs that were keeping an eye on him may be having second thoughts. That's the scenario which worries me the most. We have a Manager that has previously suggested that he wouldn't stay on after the World Cup but due to lack of offers in club management he (1) continues as the Welsh Manager either with his heart not being 101% in the role or (2) he is just binding his time until his ideal job comes up. We have been in both these situations before (1) the end of Toshack's era when he recognised that his plan wasn't going to fully come to fruition but stayed on into the new campaign (2) the end of Mark Hughes era when it was obvious that he had run out of ideas, just wanted to beat England in the forthcoming game and then get a job in the Premier League. I may be naive, but I believe Coleman will do what he thinks is best for Wales. I don't think he's the type of person who would hang on in as an easy pay cheque until something he fancies more becomes available. He strikes me as a far more principled bloke than Hughes anyway. Again, I may be naive... |
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 13, 2017 16:16:17 GMT
That's the scenario which worries me the most. We have a Manager that has previously suggested that he wouldn't stay on after the World Cup but due to lack of offers in club management he (1) continues as the Welsh Manager either with his heart not being 101% in the role or (2) he is just binding his time until his ideal job comes up. We have been in both these situations before (1) the end of Toshack's era when he recognised that his plan wasn't going to fully come to fruition but stayed on into the new campaign (2) the end of Mark Hughes era when it was obvious that he had run out of ideas, just wanted to beat England in the forthcoming game and then get a job in the Premier League. I may be naive, but I believe Coleman will do what he thinks is best for Wales. I don't think he's the type of person who would hang on in as an easy pay cheque until something he fancies more becomes available. He strikes me as a far more principled bloke than Hughes anyway. Again, I may be naive... Is this the same 'principled bloke' that "mislaid his passport", committed adultery and lied to his employer? Let's face it, when there is skirt involved Coleman's principles, decency and even common sense is the first thing goes out of the window! Although as Giggs is being mooted by some as the next Manager, it seems that principles aren't an essential requirement of the role! I just having this thought that in his heart of hearts Coleman won't have that same burning desire to succeed. Nevertheless due to the overwhelming support from the fans and the FAW, he signs another contract, the Euro 2020 qualifiers don't start well and he has head turned by a well paid job overseas. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he has Alex Ferguson'esh desire to keep on winning and redesigning and reinventing along the way. |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 19, 2017 10:11:28 GMT
I really hope Cookie stays. No one is ready to replace Coleman. To go back to appointing managers as their first job in the game would be a monumental backwards step. I suppose being absent from the next tournament gives a potential new man time to bed in. Bellars might have the goods one day, he obviously understands the game on an intimate level but there's a heck of a lot to management beyond that. So for that reason Robinson is the only serious suggestion really. One left of field suggestion might be Mark Bowen? Though I'm not suggesting he'd do a good job and I'm searching in the dark with that one. If Cookie were to go, I think it is important to appoint a Welshman. We got where we did in the Euros because of that unusual passion we have not because we were being lead by an academic technocrats. We already have that figure in Osian. Yes we could promote Osian to the hot seat but to lose Roberts in the role we have him would be a devastating loss to the structure of the entire set up. We'll face a difficult choices with our choice of friendlies as we really need to be careful about our world ranking which is going to plummet for the next Euros. So we need to play high ranking teams. I think we should be risky and arrange as many as possible so as to blood a plethora of young players, beyond the three names that folks like to mention. I think Coleman should stay in the job if he's willing to turn down better money. The Swansea job is starting to look inevitable in my view. Though I can imagine him doing OK there if that fat yank clown gives him the time. I find it amazing how a single game can distort opinions. Had we won yesterday and Serbia drew, Coleman is a genius again. Thankfully the FAW would never push Coleman, it'll be down to him if he wants to jump. Please stay Cookie. Or, had we beaten Serbia in Cardiff.. or held onto our lead against Georgia in Cardiff. It feels like it comes down to pure luck at times but we conceded far too many goals in this campaign. Moving forward, I think we could do with far more international experience. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Oct 19, 2017 11:36:05 GMT
Anyone suggesting Iceland failed is delusional.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 19, 2017 11:40:24 GMT
Wish people would read the post
People saying we should have got O'Neill or the Icelandic manager instead of Coleman, I pointed out that in comparison to us they failed as
1. We knocked out NI in last 16
2 Iceland got battered in the quarters when we went through
Since that post Iceland have made the world cup and NI the play offs so their managers have obviusly done better this time
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 19, 2017 21:31:16 GMT
Apparently Coleman was in talks with the FAW tonight. Hopefully that means we know more on his future soon.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Oct 21, 2017 1:15:29 GMT
Wish people would read the post People saying we should have got O'Neill or the Icelandic manager instead of Coleman, I pointed out that in comparison to us they failed as 1. We knocked out NI in last 16 2 Iceland got battered in the quarters when we went through Since that post Iceland have made the world cup and NI the play offs so their managers have obviusly done better this time Its all relative is nt it,Wales did brilliant in the euros though compared to N I AND Iceland wales have a true world class player and Rambo played to his full potential .Regarding individual players N Ireland and Iceland who I think weaker individually, also succeeded expectations its a freaky phenomena what Iceland done. Them two nations are far from failures. Wales it was possible to become euro champs, not sure you could say that about Iceland though people will mention Greece, pop of Greece lol over 11 million |
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Post by hookd on Oct 21, 2017 15:26:23 GMT
Obviously if we could get a top manager that can be flexible with their approach / style of play so we could play 2 or 3 different ways - then you would want such a manager to have a crack with this squad of players.
The problem is that this is a highly unlikely outcome, given pay constraints. You are more likely to get someone past their sell by date or someone learning the game - someone like Bellamy being linked to the team is damn right scary!
Accordingly then keeping Coleman would appear to be the best option.
Whatever happens - we need to avoid Roberts leaving with Coleman. I suspect that Coleman will take Symons with him but you never know.
How not one premiership or even championship set up has not identified the incredible job someone like Roberts has done with the Wales set-up is remarkable. Lets hope their myopia continues!
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Post by pendragon on Oct 21, 2017 15:34:41 GMT
maybe cookie a Great bloke and Good manager ,maybe great managers are martin o Neil, Michael o Neil and Hallgrimsson of Iceland we need a manger who can get the best of the Squad as a unit I think it's a case of, different teams and different styles of play. Would someone like O'Neill's approach work for Wales? I highly doubt it tbh. I agree that we have underachieved overall this time round though and possibly this has been due to a dip in form as well as the incurring of suspensions and injuries, but I think Coleman is more than capable of rectifying these issues going forward if he stays. |
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Post by oscardelta on Oct 21, 2017 18:07:55 GMT
I would like to see Coleman stay as he has done a good job for you BUT aside from friendlies his next competitive match in 11 months away.
If a Premier League club come knocking offering a couple of mill a year to keep a team in Premier League it is hard to turn it down. Especially since in a year or 18 months time he may have passed his shelf life.
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Post by welwyn on Oct 22, 2017 13:43:58 GMT
Whatever happens - we need to avoid Roberts leaving with Coleman. I suspect that Coleman will take Symons with him but you never know. This is why I am seriously hoping that were Coleman to go then (dependent on the role Osian wants), we offer the job to Symons alongside Roberts to keep the continuity. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 22, 2017 13:57:13 GMT
Whatever happens - we need to avoid Roberts leaving with Coleman. I suspect that Coleman will take Symons with him but you never know. This is why I am seriously hoping that were Coleman to go then (dependent on the role Osian wants), we offer the job to Symons alongside Roberts to keep the continuity. An option worth looking at. Hope Coleman signs a new deal before the friendlies, but if not Symons and Osian is an idea, and they could bring in another coach to help out. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Oct 23, 2017 12:09:00 GMT
This is why I am seriously hoping that were Coleman to go then (dependent on the role Osian wants), we offer the job to Symons alongside Roberts to keep the continuity. An option worth looking at. Hope Coleman signs a new deal before the friendlies, but if not Symons and Osian is an idea, and they could bring in another coach to help out. Maybe someone like Bellamy to join them. |
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Post by ae15 on Oct 23, 2017 13:03:38 GMT
Just give it to Raymond!
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Post by quetzal on Oct 23, 2017 13:45:17 GMT
I hate it that Cookie is basically waiting for a job offer from a canon fodder premiership club. And if it doesn’t come through he’ll stay with Wales. #SloppySeconds
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Post by cadno on Oct 23, 2017 14:07:49 GMT
I hate it that Cookie is basically waiting for a job offer from a canon fodder premiership club. And if it doesn’t come through he’ll stay with Wales. #SloppySeconds I don't know why you're assuming that. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 23, 2017 14:55:09 GMT
I hate it that Cookie is basically waiting for a job offer from a canon fodder premiership club. And if it doesn’t come through he’ll stay with Wales. #SloppySeconds I don't know why you're assuming that. The lack of information/speed in the announcement does it make it seem that way to be honest |
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Post by cadno on Oct 23, 2017 17:05:32 GMT
I don't know why you're assuming that. The lack of information/speed in the announcement does it make it seem that way to be honest I disagree, but I understand why it might make some people nervous. |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 23, 2017 17:32:01 GMT
It has been reported in the press over the last couple of days that Coleman has had very positive talks with the FAW.
Not sure how much is in it, but it has been reported that he wants a couple of his assistants to be offered full-time contracts as part of any deal going forward, and FAW are apparently amenable to this.
Hope I've not spoken too soon!
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Post by manulike on Oct 23, 2017 22:01:10 GMT
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Oct 24, 2017 21:52:06 GMT
Coleman in!!
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Post by quetzal on Oct 24, 2017 21:54:33 GMT
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Post by manulike on Oct 24, 2017 21:56:45 GMT
I also hope so #justsayyes |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 22:54:39 GMT
I can see Appleton staying on at Leicester if they continue this present form. Then that just leaves Everton. Names like Ancelotti, Tuchel and Pellegrini are being bounced around there!
I can see a vacancy at West Ham if they lose at Spurs tomorrow.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Oct 24, 2017 23:20:04 GMT
I can see Appleton staying on at Leicester if they continue this present form. Then that just leaves Everton. Names like Ancelotti, Tuchel and Pellegrini are being bounced around there! I can see a vacancy at West Ham if they lose at Spurs tomorrow. Good chance of a vacancy at West Ham after that game. |
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Post by iot on Oct 25, 2017 13:15:21 GMT
We might see him swap places with Hughes at Stoke  |
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Post by 5attheback on Oct 25, 2017 20:39:43 GMT
Was at the Celtic manor for an anniversary with the Mrs on Monday and Bumped into Chris and his boy sonny at the 2010. He was with his family for his daughters birthday weekend. What a genuinely top bloke, gave me a lot of time. Spoke to everyone who came up to him.
Did anyone else know he has 6 kids!?
I really hope he stays.
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