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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 20:11:00 GMT
betfair 1/16 only other company offering odd 1/4 soon looks almost certain sunderland job
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2017 20:12:27 GMT
Yes Sunderland fans not happy... good start for Chris, wish him well as I had time of my life in france
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 17, 2017 20:13:54 GMT
Very sorry to hear this if true.
Unfortunately, I'm afraid it'll knock us back a few years. As has happened with Wales in the past a popular manger goes for whatever reason and the results nosedive for a time.
e.g Mike England, Terry Yorath, Gary Speed.
Having said that good luck Chris and thanks for the memories!
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Post by cymro on Nov 17, 2017 20:13:57 GMT
Now official on BBC. Wow. Can't believe it.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 17, 2017 20:15:13 GMT
Strange one if he's gone to Sunderland. It's a huge club but it seems rotten to the core. I hope he does well but there's a decent chance he'll be out of the job before Wales play next anyway! Big gamble for him.
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 17, 2017 20:17:27 GMT
Sunderland? That’s a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. Daft move.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2017 20:17:55 GMT
Wanted him to stay but one of the reasons was what out there as a replacement.... now we going to find out 🙈🙈🙈🙈
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Post by zenith on Nov 17, 2017 20:18:11 GMT
Sunderland? That’s a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. Daft move. £800k isn't it? Money talks. They will have a massive promotion bonus in place as well. |
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Post by superunknown on Nov 17, 2017 20:19:12 GMT
Wish him all the best, he's overseen one of the greatest periods of Welsh footballing history and we can't thank him enough so I truly hopes he does well at Sunderland. As someone has already said though, it's a bit of a poisoned chalice. Would have stayed here personally as we have a great chance of qualifying for Euro 2020. His stock would have gone up and he likely would have got a better offer than the sinking ship of Sunderland. He's still young so he could have waited it out but all the same, best wishes Cookie, cheers for the memories x
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 20:20:44 GMT
maybe he wont be so harshly judge if say he went to Everton , I mean many people think Sunderland are already a lost cause so it wont look so bad if he did fail
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 17, 2017 20:20:54 GMT
Gutting, hope this doesn't have adverse effect with youngsters and Osian etc
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 17, 2017 20:21:09 GMT
Sunderland? That’s a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. Daft move. £800k isn't it? Money talks. They will have a massive promotion bonus in place as well. So in other words, no bonus either then. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 20:21:52 GMT
Wonder what will happen to the back room?
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Post by pendragon on Nov 17, 2017 20:22:51 GMT
Very sorry to hear this if true. Unfortunately, I'm afraid it'll knock us back a few years. As has happened with Wales in the past a popular manger goes for whatever reason and the results nosedive for a time. e.g Mike England, Terry Yorath, Gary Speed. Having said that good luck Chris and thanks for the memories! I fear so as well however our stock has raised considerably since the days of Yorath, England and even Speed. I wonder what the reasons were? Money? A sudden change of heart? I just hope that the FAW pulled out all the stops to keep him. If so, we can be reasonably confident that they will do their utmost to ensure we get the right person for the job. No one wants to see a return to the dark old days. |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 20:23:20 GMT
Sunderland? That’s a poisoned chalice if ever there was one. Daft move. £800k isn't it? Money talks. They will have a massive promotion bonus in place as well. lol promotion bonus lol , they be li#ucky if they stay up |
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Post by dai on Nov 17, 2017 20:26:53 GMT
I'm surprisngly gutted right now. Can't believe this has happened after his words following the Panama.
Hope this wasnt because of a breakdown in relationship with the FAW.
This sucks a bit.
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2017 20:27:36 GMT
I guess the 'Coleman Out' brigade are ecstatic, and the "I'm not fussed either way" and the "I can see pros and cons" lot are perfectly happy? For all those that made such calls, I'm dying to know where you think we should go from here? Who is going to be the manager you were all saying would/might take us to the next level?
I have to say, with how ready many were to slate him after the Ireland game and how shit our attendance was against Panama, I truly despair at the Welsh fanbase right now. From having so much pride in the fans after France and thinking we'd actually turned a corner, to seeing so many turn on him and the team just over a year later and going back to pre-Euros attendance level is so disappointing. We're just as shit and fickle as any other 'supporters'.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 20:27:38 GMT
I saw this coming. Fuck it!
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2017 20:34:27 GMT
Thanks for the good times Cookie. Best Wales manager ever by some margin.
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Post by llyn on Nov 17, 2017 20:37:20 GMT
Whatever the FAW might or might not have done, going to Sunderland is a crazy move. Can't think of any circumstances where in the days to come, I will say "you did right there Chris going to the Black Cats".
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Post by cadno on Nov 17, 2017 20:37:26 GMT
I was wrong, thought he'd definitely stay for another campaign.
I'm absolutely gutted.
It's important we keep Osian and get the right man in. Lars Lagerback?
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Post by matty on Nov 17, 2017 20:37:40 GMT
Let's hope he had a good offer from the FAW but decided he wanted a new challenge. I'd hate to find out that we didn't offer him everything he wanted.
Good luck Chris, you turned my dreams into a reality ❤
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 17, 2017 20:38:22 GMT
Odd choice in Sunderland, but you follow the money these days.
Thanks for the memories, Chris. You gave us an experience that my taid would have loved.
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Post by ae15 on Nov 17, 2017 20:39:29 GMT
I was wrong, thought he'd definitely stay for another campaign. I'm absolutely gutted. It's important we keep Osian and get the right man in. Lars Lagerback? Lagerback's been pretty dire at Norway so far. I'd say Pulis would do well, otherwise Hughes or Thierry Henry...  |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 17, 2017 20:41:42 GMT
Whatever the FAW might or might not have done, going to Sunderland is a crazy move. Can't think of any circumstances where in the days to come, I will say "you did right there Chris going to the Black Cats". You're right! And maybe he was waiting to see what was available before making the final decision. I think it's an incredibly risky move but best of luck to him. |
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Post by rush on Nov 17, 2017 20:45:38 GMT
Sunderland fans don't want him there, he probably could have earned a larger wedge elsewhere and if he fails there then he'll be back to where he was before he took the job with us (with that opportunity also likely locked for him). When I say best of luck, I truly mean it. He didn't have the easiest job with our lot but club football is a lot more ruthless than international. He won't get the same amount of time to get things right there as he did with us. Was on the Sunderland fans forum earlier,as the news broke,and they are all loving him going there and are praising him for giving up Wales to go to a team bottom of the championship. They were fearing ally Mcoist being the next manager,but believe Coleman has the character to get them climbing the table. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 17, 2017 20:46:27 GMT
Shocked by this news, but also puzzled by it.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 20:46:45 GMT
why is it risky though do you think failiure their tarnish his reputation I mean look at Moyes he got the Job at west ham now
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Post by garyspeedloyal on Nov 17, 2017 20:46:56 GMT
I spoke to Chris after the Panama game at the Vale at about 23:30-00:00, I had the impression that he wanted to stay and build but was in the dark with the whole situation.
No one will ever have to take on the Wales National Team Mangers job in such circumstances as Chris did, I genuinely think he wanted to stay and build, there has been no leaving do, good byes or anything, everyone was of the impression Chris was still going to be our manager post Christmas.
I think he has taken a job whilst it is vacant as opposed to continue to negotiate and have no work, what I find amazing is the speed in which John Toshack was given contracts in comparison to Chris considering the different heights they took Wales to, Chris is better than Sunderland, £110 million in debt, up for sale and with no feel good factor to build from, how far can he take them, Advocaat, Allardyce, Bruce, Keane, Moyes, O'Neil, Wilkinson, McCarthy all ex International Managers, Champions League players or Champions League managers yet none of them did nothing with a club that very few foreign players want to join, I would look at the list of managers listed above and think why did they all fail reach the heights that Peter Reid did around 1999-2000, I think Chris could have picked a better club if he had waited, I think this could have been handled better by FAW, if he was going he desereved the Panama match to be his last game and an opportunity for fans to thank him.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 17, 2017 20:49:35 GMT
Sunderland fans don't want him there, he probably could have earned a larger wedge elsewhere and if he fails there then he'll be back to where he was before he took the job with us (with that opportunity also likely locked for him). When I say best of luck, I truly mean it. He didn't have the easiest job with our lot but club football is a lot more ruthless than international. He won't get the same amount of time to get things right there as he did with us. Was on the Sunderland fans forum earlier,as the news broke,and they are all loving him going there and are praising him for giving up Wales to go to a team bottom of the championship. They were fearing ally Mcoist being the next manager,but believe Coleman has the character to get them climbing the table. Two days ago I went on there and many were of the opinion that he is not the answer. Funny how the minds of football fans work. |
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