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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 21:12:24 GMT
I spoke to Chris after the Panama game at the Vale at about 23:30-00:00, I had the impression that he wanted to stay and build but was in the dark with the whole situation. No one will ever have to take on the Wales National Team Mangers job in such circumstances as Chris did, I genuinely think he wanted to stay and build, there has been no leaving do, good byes or anything, everyone was of the impression Chris was still going to be our manager post Christmas. I think he has taken a job whilst it is vacant as opposed to continue to negotiate and have no work, what I find amazing is the speed in which John Toshack was given contracts in comparison to Chris considering the different heights they took Wales to. Tosh built the foundations from rubble when we were a standing joke. |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 17, 2017 21:15:53 GMT
I spoke to Chris after the Panama game at the Vale at about 23:30-00:00, I had the impression that he wanted to stay and build but was in the dark with the whole situation. No one will ever have to take on the Wales National Team Mangers job in such circumstances as Chris did, I genuinely think he wanted to stay and build, there has been no leaving do, good byes or anything, everyone was of the impression Chris was still going to be our manager post Christmas. I think he has taken a job whilst it is vacant as opposed to continue to negotiate and have no work, what I find amazing is the speed in which John Toshack was given contracts in comparison to Chris considering the different heights they took Wales to, Chris is better than Sunderland, £110 million in debt, up for sale and with no feel good factor to build from, how far can he take them, Advocaat, Allardyce, Bruce, Keane, Moyes, O'Neil, Wilkinson, McCarthy all ex International Managers, Champions League players or Champions League managers yet none of them did nothing with a club that very few foreign players want to join, I would look at the list of managers listed above and think why did they all fail reach the heights that Peter Reid did around 1999-2000, I think Chris could have picked a better club if he had waited, I think this could have been handled better by FAW, if he was going he desereved the Panama match to be his last game and an opportunity for fans to thank him. That's an interesting insight. Gut-wrenching if it's true. Whatever happened, I would have hoped that the FAW did all they could to keep him. |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 17, 2017 21:16:58 GMT
DS saying next manager is imminent. I'm hoping that the FAW are sending a taxi to meet someone on a flight from Vancouver..... |
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Post by rushy on Nov 17, 2017 21:19:19 GMT
I would seriously consider Sam Allardyce to take over. Please don't take this personally, but fuck off! I am trying to think who could keep the momentum going, I dont see Giggs, Pulis or anyone from the current staff doing that. |
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Post by zenith on Nov 17, 2017 21:19:52 GMT
Kit Symons will be his no.2 at Sunderland then, but no surprise.
Just hope Osian keeps his massive role with the squads.
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Post by fireboy0610 on Nov 17, 2017 21:23:22 GMT
Kit Symons will be his no.2 at Sunderland then, but no surprise. Just hope Osian keeps his massive role with the squads. Your last sentence is what WE ALL are praying for |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 21:26:03 GMT
you cant knock CC what he achieve, especially in awful circumstances, you right the team was probably better then then they are now cos obviously Williams was performing, as a lot of the failings in the past qualifying has been poor defending. He just did nt qualify though they beat Belgium and a gritty game against N Ireland which could have gone either way.It did make some good tactical changes and he instrumental player five at the back early in his post I agree with you providing the likes of ramsey , allen , bale , davis, chester and the youngsters progress and remain loyal to wales a change might not be bad news .
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 17, 2017 21:28:49 GMT
Don't worry Sunderland sack ANY manager after 2 months so Cookie will be back in Wales job by March LOL!!!!
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Post by larslagerback on Nov 17, 2017 21:29:16 GMT
I was wrong, thought he'd definitely stay for another campaign. I'm absolutely gutted. It's important we keep Osian and get the right man in. Lars Lagerback? Lagerback's been pretty dire at Norway so far. I'd say Pulis would do well, otherwise Hughes or Thierry Henry...  How dare you?! There's nor-way I'm standing for that slur! |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 17, 2017 21:30:30 GMT
I would seriously consider Sam Allardyce to take over. Please don't take this personally, but fuck off! 😁 that made me chuckle on a night of little to smile about |
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 17, 2017 21:35:04 GMT
He might have turned Wales into a major force (was that Osian or Coleman?) but he wasn't the "perfect" manager but i suppose "who is?"
IMO he was waiting for a Premiership job (Leicester/Everton/West Ham) that never materalised so the Black Cats was his only offer at club level!!!
His tactics in this campaign have been dodgy and this group of players should have qualified therefore he has failed!
Needs a fresh approach as far as tactics & selection are concerned - who that might be i haven't a clue but FAW shouldn't rush into this.
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Post by rushlegend on Nov 17, 2017 21:36:59 GMT
He is a leader of men, but are you saying no one else could have done anything with the talent he had, including one of the best players in the world who delivered in every game of euro qualifiers? Look at Iceland and Northern Ireland? They achieved the same or more without a Gareth Bale in terms of qualifying for tournaments
Summed it up perfectly hookd!!!
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 21:39:29 GMT
at the end of the Day he man who needs fresh challenges , he took Wales to a semi final of a major championship which was an amazing achievement, he have to wait another four years for what was prob his other ambition taking them to the world cup He is a leader of men, but are you saying no one else could have done anything with the talent he had, including one of the best players in the world who delivered in every game of euro qualifiers? Look at Iceland and Northern Ireland? They achieved the same or more without a Gareth Bale in terms of qualifying for tournaments Some might say allen and ramsey outshone bale in the euros their best performance In the WCQs was arguably Serbia away |
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 17, 2017 21:40:30 GMT
I spoke to Chris after the Panama game at the Vale at about 23:30-00:00, I had the impression that he wanted to stay and build but was in the dark with the whole situation. No one will ever have to take on the Wales National Team Mangers job in such circumstances as Chris did, I genuinely think he wanted to stay and build, there has been no leaving do, good byes or anything, everyone was of the impression Chris was still going to be our manager post Christmas. I think he has taken a job whilst it is vacant as opposed to continue to negotiate and have no work, what I find amazing is the speed in which John Toshack was given contracts in comparison to Chris considering the different heights they took Wales to.....I think Chris could have picked a better club if he had waited, I think this could have been handled better by FAW, if he was going he desereved the Panama match to be his last game and an opportunity for fans to thank him. Interesting insight. There was a few posts regarding a caller on BBC Wales 'Call Rob' (Phillips) who was effectively saying that he thought that the FAW would get rid of Coleman because he had become bigger than the FAW. Can't help thinking that there is some truth in that. The difference between Toshack and Coleman is that Toshack was prepared to work within the perimeters that were set by the FAW. It seems that in Coleman making Rylands and Mitchell part of the deal or no deal, they just decided it was a no deal from them. |
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Post by ae15 on Nov 17, 2017 21:41:24 GMT
I was just looking at his first few squads and the only players I've seen that he's brought through to the team in his 5 years in charge have been James Chester and Ben Woodburn.
+Tom Lawrence
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Post by ontheroadagain on Nov 17, 2017 21:44:11 GMT
I spoke to Chris after the Panama game at the Vale at about 23:30-00:00, I had the impression that he wanted to stay and build but was in the dark with the whole situation. No one will ever have to take on the Wales National Team Mangers job in such circumstances as Chris did, I genuinely think he wanted to stay and build, there has been no leaving do, good byes or anything, everyone was of the impression Chris was still going to be our manager post Christmas. I think he has taken a job whilst it is vacant as opposed to continue to negotiate and have no work, what I find amazing is the speed in which John Toshack was given contracts in comparison to Chris considering the different heights they took Wales to.....I think Chris could have picked a better club if he had waited, I think this could have been handled better by FAW, if he was going he desereved the Panama match to be his last game and an opportunity for fans to thank him. Interesting insight. There was a few posts regarding a caller on BBC Wales 'Call Rob' (Phillips) who was effectively saying that he thought that the FAW would get rid of Coleman because he had become bigger than the FAW. Can't help thinking that there is some truth in that. The difference between Toshack and Coleman is that Toshack was prepared to work within the perimeters that were set by the FAW. It seems that in Coleman making Rylands and Mitchell part of the deal or no deal, they just decided it was a no deal from them. Howard King was the referee. Seems like he may have been right. |
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 21:44:20 GMT
what he got to lose at Sunderland if they go down it no shock in Britain or Abroad so he next job will be abroad anyhow
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Post by oscardelta on Nov 17, 2017 21:49:26 GMT
Genuinely sorry to see him depart, he is a nice guy.
Surprised it is Sunderland as had expected him to be direct into Premiership.
Ultimately he is going for a big pay increase and difficult for anybody to hold that against him, shelf life of a manager is short.
It may not actually be a bad result for Wales long term............... nope not mad as look at how certain International players congregate in certain clubs.
Opportunities will open up for Wales players coming through that he will seek to sign and develop. No doubt will get the heads up on some promising players way earlier than other clubs, I would expect 2-3 players minimum from Sunderland to be in Wales team in 18 months plus a few underage ones.
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 21:57:54 GMT
think people are sad to see a manager go who had such a rapport with the players and fans not necessarily his footballing tactics
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2017 22:01:44 GMT
Not great - to pass us up for that shit! He will be gone in less than a year. He shone at Wales because of the players he had at his disposal Coleman is a decent man and has delivered for us but lets be honest - he had the benefit of Gareth Bale - who carried us through to the Euros and a decent squad. Then at the euros everyone performed close to their full potential. Now I know the players loved him but he was no tactical genius, as we saw in the World Cup qualifiers. My biggest concerns are 1. that he takes Roberts 2. that the disruption gives England an opening to persuade Ampadu and Brooks to leave us. My biggest concern is we appoint either another Welsh novice or a foreign coach who does not have a connection with the players, especially the younger members. The only positive is that a new coach with not be blindly loyal to average players like Gunter. Unbelievable, and everyone performed to their full potential purely by coincidence? Let's not kid ourselves, the players loved him and this is going to hit them hard. I just hope we don't lose some of our promising youngsters as a result! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 22:02:00 GMT
Coleman was manager for 5 years. It’s a good time for a change as long as the right appointment is made within a coherent strategy.
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Post by dai on Nov 17, 2017 22:08:25 GMT
Interesting insight. There was a few posts regarding a caller on BBC Wales 'Call Rob' (Phillips) who was effectively saying that he thought that the FAW would get rid of Coleman because he had become bigger than the FAW. Can't help thinking that there is some truth in that. The difference between Toshack and Coleman is that Toshack was prepared to work within the perimeters that were set by the FAW. It seems that in Coleman making Rylands and Mitchell part of the deal or no deal, they just decided it was a no deal from them. Howard King was the referee. Seems like he may have been right. I mentioned that call in another thread as well. Seems he had a good point, even true perhaps. I hoped that the FAW were not the dinosaurs they once were. It'll all come out in the wash I guess.... |
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Post by scottyboro on Nov 17, 2017 22:10:28 GMT
Chris coleman had a dream
To save the mackems team
He had no strikers so played with 10 at the back
No one in attack
No one in attack
Watch out league 1
We r on our way back
Just a thought
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Post by dai on Nov 17, 2017 22:15:27 GMT
Like mentioned I hope this doesn't have a negative impact on younger players, re Brooks, Ampadu etc who could still jump ship.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2017 22:17:23 GMT
It would have been #SloppySeconds if he’d stayed anyway. I’m not gutted. He didn’t have a clue when teams parked the bus against us. Thanks for the Euros but time to move on.
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2017 22:32:30 GMT
He is a leader of men, but are you saying no one else could have done anything with the talent he had, including one of the best players in the world who delivered in every game of euro qualifiers? Look at Iceland and Northern Ireland? They achieved the same or more without a Gareth Bale in terms of qualifying for tournaments Summed it up perfectly hookd!!! No, that's completely illogical! Iceland and NI are the best examples of over-achieving with a limited squad / tiny nation. Particularly Iceland, I've never heard of anything like it. It would be ridiculous to evaluate Coleman's performance by directly comparing him with the two best examples out there! On the whole, he's done extremely well with us and history will judge him far more kindly than some of you. To imply that anyone could have achieved what he did with that squad in the Euros as if it was nothing is ridiculous. He massively over-achieved with what he had at his disposal. |
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Post by iot on Nov 17, 2017 22:33:10 GMT
It would have been #SloppySeconds if he’d stayed anyway. I’m not gutted. He didn’t have a clue when teams parked the bus against us. Thanks for the Euros but time to move on. To who??? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 17, 2017 22:34:01 GMT
Just got back from 5-a-side and saw the news
Ah bollocks
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Post by greenscorpio1967 on Nov 17, 2017 22:36:42 GMT
He is a leader of men, but are you saying no one else could have done anything with the talent he had, including one of the best players in the world who delivered in every game of euro qualifiers? Look at Iceland and Northern Ireland? They achieved the same or more without a Gareth Bale in terms of qualifying for tournaments Summed it up perfectly hookd!!! No, that's completely illogical! Iceland and NI are the best examples of over-achieving with a limited squad / tiny nation. Particularly Iceland, I've never heard of anything like it. It would be ridiculous to evaluate Coleman's performance by directly comparing him with the two best examples out there! On the whole, he's done extremely well with us and history will judge him far more kindly than some of you. To imply that anyone could have achieved what he did with that squad in the Euros as if it was nothing is ridiculous. He massively over-achieved with what he had at his disposal. The Iceland achievements is almost freaky bit like red rum winning the grand nations 3 times and coming second on two other occasions |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 17, 2017 22:36:49 GMT
It would have been #SloppySeconds if he’d stayed anyway. I’m not gutted. He didn’t have a clue when teams parked the bus against us. Thanks for the Euros but time to move on. To who??? What I mean by #SloppySeconds is we would have been Coleman’s second choice. If a job didn’t come along he would have stayed with Wales. I’m not sure I was ever comfortable with that. |
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