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Post by insertname on Oct 13, 2019 15:28:25 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Getting rid of Ramsey to blood someone who's never played a first team fixture may well be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever come across Given he has missed a calendar year of international football and his previous injury record he might as well be 35! You can't be confident of him having many further Wales appearances left given how he can miss a years of worth of international games whilst still turning out regularly for his club. He is likely to retire from international football in his early 30's as it is given his injury record. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 15:32:19 GMT
Wouldn't be surprised if juve reminded him who will be paying his large wages for the next years and how displeased they would be for him to play with a niggle and make it worst,who knows what's said behind closed doors, pressure was on maybe.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 13, 2019 15:32:35 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Getting rid of Ramsey to blood someone who's never played a first team fixture may well be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever come across Is it? We've played several games without him because he's always crocked when it comes around to the international breaks, despite being called up. Who's that helping? Levitt/Ampadu are virtually in the same boat, only Ampadu had the advantage of playing for a League 2 team with nothing to lose by fielding him. Better we start blooding Levitt now rather than wait for Ramsey's fitness to come around again. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 13, 2019 15:41:49 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Getting rid of Ramsey to blood someone who's never played a first team fixture may well be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever come across Is it? We've played several games without him because he's always crocked when it comes around to the international breaks, despite being called up. Who's that helping? Levitt/Ampadu are virtually in the same boat, only Ampadu had the advantage of playing for a League 2 team with nothing to lose by fielding him. Better we start blooding Levitt now rather than wait for Ramsey's fitness to come around again. Aaron Ramsey plays for Juventus, is one of the best Welsh players of recent years ad was instrumental in getting us to the Euros as well as performing brilliantly there, casting him aside would be a monumentally foolish decision. Ampadu and Levitt aren't in the same boat at all, if they were Levitt would at least be in the conversation of getting some gametime at Old Trafford, but he's not. All the talk in the buildup, or for any Wales games for that matter, is that we're so much better when we have Bale, Allen and Ramsey, and now there's calls to not play one of our best players again because he can't play tonight. We're a small country with a very small pool of talent, and people are advocating not selecting a player of Ramsey's talent? I can't believe it |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 13, 2019 15:42:54 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Getting rid of Ramsey to blood someone who's never played a first team fixture may well be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever come across Given he has missed a calendar year of international football and his previous injury record he might as well be 35! You can't be confident of him having many further Wales appearances left given how he can miss a years of worth of international games whilst still turning out regularly for his club. He is likely to retire from international football in his early 30's as it is given his injury record. Casting aside a player as good as Ramsey is a huge mistake. Injury prone or not. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 13, 2019 15:45:58 GMT
Aye, let's pick a player who's never fit to play for his country, but almost always available for his club. Forward thinking football.
Sets the stage for another Tosh era by clinging on to players who don't play.
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Post by alarch on Oct 13, 2019 15:58:58 GMT
We're all bitterly disappointed and unsurprised at the turn of events, but to ask Ramsey to retire is monumentally stupid. Does anyone seriously think he would have stayed behind and gone through all the personalised training/recovery routines without genuinely wanting to represent his country, if all possible? Well, it just wasn't possible. If he plays next week for Juventus it will be because he's recovered by then, not because of his lack of desire to play for his country. We've just got to man/woman up and take it on the chin.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 13, 2019 16:20:47 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Chill out, I'm hardly being serious. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 13, 2019 16:36:20 GMT
Given he has missed a calendar year of international football and his previous injury record he might as well be 35! You can't be confident of him having many further Wales appearances left given how he can miss a years of worth of international games whilst still turning out regularly for his club. He is likely to retire from international football in his early 30's as it is given his injury record. Casting aside a player as good as Ramsey is a huge mistake. Injury prone or not. I'm not suggesting discarding him, I'm saying that given his sicknote reputation and his age he will filter himself out naturally. He can't have many caps left in him given that he is rarely fit for Wales and his injury record means that he will most likely retire early at 31 or 32. |
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Post by dai on Oct 13, 2019 18:34:58 GMT
We're all bitterly disappointed and unsurprised at the turn of events, but to ask Ramsey to retire is monumentally stupid. Does anyone seriously think he would have stayed behind and gone through all the personalised training/recovery routines without genuinely wanting to represent his country, if all possible? Well, it just wasn't possible. If he plays next week for Juventus it will be because he's recovered by then, not because of his lack of desire to play for his country. We've just got to man/woman up and take it on the chin. But what about the italian tweets saying he’ll be back for Bologna? Call me cynical if you want, but it just looks like his time with the wales camp has been used as a way to build fitness for Juve. It stinks. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 13, 2019 21:35:08 GMT
I'd be inclined to play him deeper, alongside Ampadu in the next fixture.
If he's fit ofc.
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Post by larslagerback on Oct 13, 2019 23:23:58 GMT
I'd be inclined to play him deeper, alongside Ampadu in the next fixture. If he's fit ofc. Seeing as we have to win I'd play Ampadu as the 6, Ramsey as the 8 and Johnny as the 10. If Brookes were fit then I'd be inclined to play Bale as the 10 just off Moore. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 14, 2019 0:54:44 GMT
He's 28 not 35. Ridiculous overreaction. Getting rid of Ramsey to blood someone who's never played a first team fixture may well be one of the stupidest ideas I've ever come across Wow too much emotion in some of these comments I think. I'm pissed off because 20 years ago he probably feels some discomfort and plays anyway, sport science overrules everything now though. But he's been an incredible player, and there's no way in hell we should want him to retire at 28!! He still has 5 or 6 years left to offer us, but I do understand the frustration! |
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Post by dai on Oct 14, 2019 1:09:46 GMT
We're all bitterly disappointed and unsurprised at the turn of events, but to ask Ramsey to retire is monumentally stupid. Does anyone seriously think he would have stayed behind and gone through all the personalised training/recovery routines without genuinely wanting to represent his country, if all possible? Well, it just wasn't possible. If he plays next week for Juventus it will be because he's recovered by then, not because of his lack of desire to play for his country. We've just got to man/woman up and take it on the chin. I just don't buy it I'm afraid. I would have much rather seen him sent home after the squad meet up, instead of lingering around creating false hope for fans. I said from the start he wouldn't play, and I'm not really sure why he was kept around. I'm very disappointed he didn't play, but annoyed at the lack of honesty from the FAW and Ramsey surrounding the situation. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 14, 2019 7:51:35 GMT
We're all bitterly disappointed and unsurprised at the turn of events, but to ask Ramsey to retire is monumentally stupid. Does anyone seriously think he would have stayed behind and gone through all the personalised training/recovery routines without genuinely wanting to represent his country, if all possible? Well, it just wasn't possible. If he plays next week for Juventus it will be because he's recovered by then, not because of his lack of desire to play for his country. We've just got to man/woman up and take it on the chin. I just don't buy it I'm afraid. I would have much rather seen him sent home after the squad meet up, instead of lingering around creating false hope for fans. I said from the start he wouldn't play, and I'm not really sure why he was kept around. I'm very disappointed he didn't play, but annoyed at the lack of honesty from the FAW and Ramsey surrounding the situation. They gave Ramsey time to try and recover and I believe he was close. If the match was tomorrow he would of been in the squad. Really disappointed but what a boost if hes back in November. |
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Post by iot on Oct 19, 2019 17:53:54 GMT
Not in Juve's squad tonight
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 19, 2019 19:45:22 GMT
It's time he started studying for his coaching badges.
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Post by welshiron on Oct 20, 2019 8:10:58 GMT
It's time he started studying for his coaching badges. You Robin Are an idiot. In fact are you the original idiot who posted on here |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2019 8:46:17 GMT
He's right though isn't he,look through those rose coloured blinkers all it won't change the fact that his body is broken and he's getting on
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 20, 2019 8:52:55 GMT
He's right though isn't he,look through those rose coloured blinkers all it won't change the fact that his body is broken and he's getting on Leave him be. I'd love to wallow in "told you so", but as he's given no explanation for his post, it's better that he makes that journey himself. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 20, 2019 12:43:54 GMT
He's right though isn't he,look through those rose coloured blinkers all it won't change the fact that his body is broken and he's getting on He's 28 |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 20, 2019 13:08:58 GMT
He's right though isn't he,look through those rose coloured blinkers all it won't change the fact that his body is broken and he's getting on He's 28 Jack Collison was 27. So you're holding onto the belief that, in spite of the norm where players get less able the older they grow, Rambo's fitness and condition actually improves as he gets older? This is a career where most midfielders who enjoy injury-free careers retire around the age of 34. Ramsey won't make it that far on his current trajectory. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 20, 2019 13:26:36 GMT
Jack Collison was 27. So you're holding onto the belief that, in spite of the norm where players get less able the older they grow, Rambo's fitness and condition actually improves as he gets older? This is a career where most midfielders who enjoy injury-free careers retire around the age of 34. Ramsey won't make it that far on his current trajectory. And international football will be the first thing to go to prolong his club career. No great loss though sadly. It used to be that good games in a Wales shirt were few and far between but actual appearances in a a Welsh shirt are becoming few and far between. You simply can’t plan to have him in the side like you can with Allen and Bale. In all seriousness it would be interesting to have a board sweepstake on how many more caps he will earn for Wales. He will have retired either after this Euro finals (if we make it) or the Qatar WC imo. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 20, 2019 14:23:10 GMT
In all seriousness it would be interesting to have a board sweepstake on how many more caps he will earn for Wales. He will have retired either after this Euro finals (if we make it) or the Qatar WC imo. Careful now, we're talking about treason here. 4-5 more caps, if he's fit, maybe. I'll say April/May next year he retires on the basis we don't qualify for the Euros, otherwise he'll be on the plane, but a "fitness doubt", keeping someone else out of the team. |
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Post by welshiron on Oct 20, 2019 15:19:43 GMT
You must be fun at a party
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Post by insertname on Oct 20, 2019 15:29:46 GMT
In all seriousness it would be interesting to have a board sweepstake on how many more caps he will earn for Wales. He will have retired either after this Euro finals (if we make it) or the Qatar WC imo. Careful now, we're talking about treason here. 4-5 more caps, if he's fit, maybe. I'll say April/May next year he retires on the basis we don't qualify for the Euros, otherwise he'll be on the plane, but a "fitness doubt", keeping someone else out of the team. He’ll play a full part if we qualify imo. More likely to be fit and in the groove at the end of the season and to be fair he had a good spell in the 2016 euros at international level when given the chance to have a concentrated period in a Wales shirt |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 20, 2019 16:34:12 GMT
Looks like Robin and Insert wotsits are bored again...
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Post by iot on Oct 20, 2019 16:40:30 GMT
Wow we really do have some melodramatic idiots in our fan base. He's 28. He's received injuries at unfortunate times this past year around the international breaks meaning he hasn't played for us. However, he played almost 40 games for arsenal last season and was brilliant, so much so that he won player of the year! He's played 5 times for juve this season and received rave reviews.
For Wales, he played 7 out of 10 games in the world Cup qualifiers, he played 5 games in the euros, and he played 8 games in the euro qualifiers.
Those are the facts you absolute plonkers.
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Post by insertname on Oct 20, 2019 17:18:21 GMT
Wow we really do have some melodramatic idiots in our fan base. He's 28. He's received injuries at unfortunate times this past year around the international breaks meaning he hasn't played for us. However, he played almost 40 games for arsenal last season and was brilliant, so much so that he won player of the year! He's played 5 times for juve this season and received rave reviews. For Wales, he played 7 out of 10 games in the world Cup qualifiers, he played 5 games in the euros, and he played 8 games in the euro qualifiers. Those are the facts you absolute plonkers. Yes but that’s the interesting stat isn’t it- he has not played for Wales since last November despite racking up 40+ appearances for Arsenal in that season. 40+ appearances suggests he was fit the entire season....except when the euro qualifiers rolled around. His consistency in being injured at international time is a thing of wonder. And I’m not trying to suggest anything untoward. My guess is that to him and his club international breaks are turning out to be a chance for a precautionary break to catch up with his fitness for his club. |
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Post by iot on Oct 20, 2019 17:29:32 GMT
Your guess is entirely wrong. He had a 4-month layoff which led to him missing the 2nd and 3rd games. He's just missed the 4th and 5th having been withdrawn from the juve team the game before the international window, and yesterday didn't play in their first game following the international window. There is no evidence for you ridiculous, baseless assertions
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