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Post by robin1864 on Nov 19, 2019 23:32:23 GMT
Great performance tonight, shades of 2016. I'm now available as a motivational speaker  |
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Post by pendragon on Nov 19, 2019 23:34:21 GMT
The boy sure made up for lost time!
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 19, 2019 23:37:22 GMT
FUCKIN LOVE YOU RAMSEY
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Post by insertname on Nov 19, 2019 23:43:33 GMT
I’ll hold my hands up that he stood up tonight, frustrates me no end that that Ramsey didn’t play against ROI but that’s how it goes I guess. Maybe he will hit the heights of 2016 again with a concentrated run of games in a Wales shirt.
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Post by manulike on Nov 20, 2019 0:52:22 GMT
OH! RAMBO. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!
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Post by dai on Nov 20, 2019 1:43:21 GMT
Best game in a Welsh shirt since Belgium during the Euro’s, unplayable all night.
More than made up for missing 12 months!
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Post by cadno on Nov 20, 2019 7:43:49 GMT
I don't think I've seen him boss a game as much since Scotland in 2009 or maybe against Italy u21s, he was like a man possessed last night.
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Post by johnoster on Nov 20, 2019 10:40:52 GMT
Gutted he didn't get the hat trick, but that was the Rambo I know.
Would be nice to see a montage of all the posts in here saying he does nothing for Wales.
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Post by johnoster on Nov 20, 2019 10:51:45 GMT
Just the fact that he thinks Rabiot and Can are better players than Ramsey is laughable. Why wouldn't Sarri pick them over Ramsey in a bog standard match? They're more consistent & fitter players, give me that over Ramsey who's only unplayable between the months of April-September. Sarri made the right call to pick Dybala & Costa, they won the game. The foot-stomping tantrums in here because he dared not to pick Ramsey are tragic. When you take the Wales-tinted shades off, you realise Ramsey is essentially a luxury player for the good times, rather than someone you can rely on to pull a win out of the bag; think Euro 2016 or Arsenal when they weren't going through a shit phase. We've only won 1 (ONE!! - Ireland Home) of the previous 5 matches he's been on the pitch. What an impact.
Just wanted to quote this one.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 20, 2019 12:15:58 GMT
How lucky are we to have a player like him. He just oozes class. We now have brilliant quality around him, but he's the one that can link everything together. He's well and truly one of the great Welsh footballers of all time, and we might still have him for another five years yet.
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2019 13:04:20 GMT
We have an abundance of attacking mid options now - rambo, brooks, wilson and joniesta can all play that 10 role, but none can boss a game like ramsey can
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Post by insertname on Nov 20, 2019 13:24:55 GMT
Gutted he didn't get the hat trick, but that was the Rambo I know. Would be nice to see a montage of all the posts in here saying he does nothing for Wales. With all due respect you could also very easily do a montage of all the posts where people quite literally said he's going to destroy the opposition (Denmark away and ROI home) and he never turned up. That's where the criticism comes from. Not that he does nothing, just some posters (like myself) feel he never lives up to the billing at *key* times. Last night he did and hopefully he does so again at the finals like in 2016. However he's been inconsistent for Wales, I don't see how that can be argued. Is it wrong to expect someone to play to the level they did last night EVERY game? Genuine question. Maybe it's my expectations that are unrealistic. Some would argue he is the first name on the team sheet so with that sort of reputation I think it's fair to expect him to stand out as fulfilling his potential for Wales even if his team mates don't and yet in some key games he has been as anonymous as last night he was great. So because of that imo the criticism has been fair, but in doing that you also have to hold your hands up and acknowledge when he is head and shoulders above the rest and he absolutely was last night in a key game. Perhaps playing for Juventus will see him step up his consistency across the board as I will concede that he probably wasn't helped by spending large parts of seasons out injured previously. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 20, 2019 13:39:02 GMT
I've literally quoted a post above where he's called a luxury player who is unable to pull wins out of the bag.
Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players.
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Post by vader on Nov 20, 2019 13:48:38 GMT
A cut above last night.
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2019 13:48:46 GMT
Gutted he didn't get the hat trick, but that was the Rambo I know. Would be nice to see a montage of all the posts in here saying he does nothing for Wales. With all due respect you could also very easily do a montage of all the posts where people quite literally said he's going to destroy the opposition (Denmark away and ROI home) and he never turned up. That's where the criticism comes from. Not that he does nothing, just some posters (like myself) feel he never lives up to the billing at *key* times. Last night he did and hopefully he does so again at the finals like in 2016. However he's been inconsistent for Wales, I don't see how that can be argued. Is it wrong to expect someone to play to the level they did last night EVERY game? Genuine question. Maybe it's my expectations that are unrealistic. Some would argue he is the first name on the team sheet so with that sort of reputation I think it's fair to expect him to stand out as fulfilling his potential for Wales even if his team mates don't and yet in some key games he has been as anonymous as last night he was great. So because of that imo the criticism has been fair, but in doing that you also have to hold your hands up and acknowledge when he is head and shoulders above the rest and he absolutely was last night in a key game. Perhaps playing for Juventus will see him step up his consistency across the board as I will concede that he probably wasn't helped by spending large parts of seasons out injured previously. You're kind of contradicting yourself there. Your criticism is he doesn't "live up to the billing at *key* times" but concede that he did so last night and at the euros, in which he played 5 games. So out of the 7 crunch games we've had (hungary, ireland and the 5 euros games), he's been good or excellent in 6 of them. On top of that, he's constantly turned up in big games for his club, including 2 cup final winners. He's definitely a big game player. The ireland game is the exception to the rule, and looking back i'm not surprised that he struggled in that game. He's a completely different type of player to the likes of bale and james - he isn't very quick so he won't go on long mazy runs before putting it into the top corner. He's a creative force and very much a team player, he generally needs quality around him to feed off and create things for. Against ireland we didn't have bale or allen after 20mins, and the quality around ramsey was poor. With the game slipping out of our hands, you could see that he tried to do everything himself, but as I say he's not that type of player so ended up trying too hard and failing miserably. With the depth of quality we now have in forward positions, ramsey should excel more than ever. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Nov 20, 2019 13:51:32 GMT
Have to say he was great last night, and 2 great goals. The way Giggs set up team seems to suit him very well.
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Post by insertname on Nov 20, 2019 14:33:21 GMT
I've literally quoted a post above where he's called a luxury player who is unable to pull wins out of the bag. Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players. Well, that's rather an extreme black and white view- I don't think there are many posts quite in that particular vein to make a montage out of. But by the same token "Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players." sounds like some players are beyond reproach based on their perceived skill level. If someone doesn't play well it's part of life that they will be open to criticism. I'm waiting for the statue to be built of Giggs when back in the summer he was getting horrendous abuse! |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 20, 2019 14:34:45 GMT
I've literally quoted a post above where he's called a luxury player who is unable to pull wins out of the bag. Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players. Well, that's rather an extreme black and white view- I don't think there are many posts quite in that particular vein to make a montage out of. But by the same token "Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players." sounds like some players are beyond reproach based on their perceived skill level. If someone doesn't play well it's part of life that they will be open to criticism. I'm waiting for the statue to be built of Giggs when back in the summer he was getting horrendous abuse! Not sure about abuse but he was certainly getting warranted stick. He's turned it around though and the vast majority of us are eating humble pie. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 20, 2019 14:53:51 GMT
With all due respect you could also very easily do a montage of all the posts where people quite literally said he's going to destroy the opposition (Denmark away and ROI home) and he never turned up. That's where the criticism comes from. Not that he does nothing, just some posters (like myself) feel he never lives up to the billing at *key* times. Last night he did and hopefully he does so again at the finals like in 2016. However he's been inconsistent for Wales, I don't see how that can be argued. Is it wrong to expect someone to play to the level they did last night EVERY game? Genuine question. Maybe it's my expectations that are unrealistic. Some would argue he is the first name on the team sheet so with that sort of reputation I think it's fair to expect him to stand out as fulfilling his potential for Wales even if his team mates don't and yet in some key games he has been as anonymous as last night he was great. So because of that imo the criticism has been fair, but in doing that you also have to hold your hands up and acknowledge when he is head and shoulders above the rest and he absolutely was last night in a key game. Perhaps playing for Juventus will see him step up his consistency across the board as I will concede that he probably wasn't helped by spending large parts of seasons out injured previously. You're kind of contradicting yourself there. Your criticism is he doesn't "live up to the billing at *key* times" but concede that he did so last night and at the euros, in which he played 5 games. So out of the 7 crunch games we've had (hungary, ireland and the 5 euros games), he's been good or excellent in 6 of them. On top of that, he's constantly turned up in big games for his club, including 2 cup final winners. He's definitely a big game player. The ireland game is the exception to the rule, and looking back i'm not surprised that he struggled in that game. He's a completely different type of player to the likes of bale and james - he isn't very quick so he won't go on long mazy runs before putting it into the top corner. He's a creative force and very much a team player, he generally needs quality around him to feed off and create things for. Against ireland we didn't have bale or allen after 20mins, and the quality around ramsey was poor. With the game slipping out of our hands, you could see that he tried to do everything himself, but as I say he's not that type of player so ended up trying too hard and failing miserably. With the depth of quality we now have in forward positions, ramsey should excel more than ever. Some fair points there, I'd say the average is somewhat altered if you count the Denmark games to win our nations league group but we could argue all day the importance of those. And it obviously makes a difference when the players around him are not up to it. But I was careful to frame it in terms of his own personal level and whilst he can't obviously make Vokes power a header in my recollection of the RoI game was that whilst he didn't go missing nothing came off for him and his accuracy was poor leading to him in many ways becoming a hindrance because we looked to him to pull something off and it resulted in the breakdown of our play, culminating in that free kick which summed his night up. I'll hold my hands up that maybe in that sense because I thought that was supposed to be the driving force/playmaker sort of player at Arsenal so it seemed the stage was set for him to create a match winning moment against RoI in the face of adversity. But, looking forward, there was evidence there last night that perhaps he is suited better to the balance we have at the moment with Bale and James and obviously having him and Bale link up was a glimpse of what we have missed when the two have not been able to play at the same time. There is still a problem of sorts over his fitness and I wonder how much we can plan for his availability, but he and Williams seem to be suited to switch in and out seamlessly which is good because I would wonder about building a side around him at the moment. |
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Post by johnoster on Nov 20, 2019 15:11:30 GMT
I've literally quoted a post above where he's called a luxury player who is unable to pull wins out of the bag. Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players. Well, that's rather an extreme black and white view- I don't think there are many posts quite in that particular vein to make a montage out of. But by the same token "Some people will whinge about anything, even one of our best ever players." sounds like some players are beyond reproach based on their perceived skill level. If someone doesn't play well it's part of life that they will be open to criticism. I'm waiting for the statue to be built of Giggs when back in the summer he was getting horrendous abuse! Personally, I think that Aaron Ramsey's performances and achievements for us warrant respect rather than criticism.
Not much to do with skill level. His commitment and attitude are first rate.
If you want to pick holes in what he's done for us then crack on, but hopefully you've got better things to do.
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2019 16:59:44 GMT
You're kind of contradicting yourself there. Your criticism is he doesn't "live up to the billing at *key* times" but concede that he did so last night and at the euros, in which he played 5 games. So out of the 7 crunch games we've had (hungary, ireland and the 5 euros games), he's been good or excellent in 6 of them. On top of that, he's constantly turned up in big games for his club, including 2 cup final winners. He's definitely a big game player. The ireland game is the exception to the rule, and looking back i'm not surprised that he struggled in that game. He's a completely different type of player to the likes of bale and james - he isn't very quick so he won't go on long mazy runs before putting it into the top corner. He's a creative force and very much a team player, he generally needs quality around him to feed off and create things for. Against ireland we didn't have bale or allen after 20mins, and the quality around ramsey was poor. With the game slipping out of our hands, you could see that he tried to do everything himself, but as I say he's not that type of player so ended up trying too hard and failing miserably. With the depth of quality we now have in forward positions, ramsey should excel more than ever. Some fair points there, I'd say the average is somewhat altered if you count the Denmark games to win our nations league group but we could argue all day the importance of those. And it obviously makes a difference when the players around him are not up to it. But I was careful to frame it in terms of his own personal level and whilst he can't obviously make Vokes power a header in my recollection of the RoI game was that whilst he didn't go missing nothing came off for him and his accuracy was poor leading to him in many ways becoming a hindrance because we looked to him to pull something off and it resulted in the breakdown of our play, culminating in that free kick which summed his night up. I'll hold my hands up that maybe in that sense because I thought that was supposed to be the driving force/playmaker sort of player at Arsenal so it seemed the stage was set for him to create a match winning moment against RoI in the face of adversity. But, looking forward, there was evidence there last night that perhaps he is suited better to the balance we have at the moment with Bale and James and obviously having him and Bale link up was a glimpse of what we have missed when the two have not been able to play at the same time. There is still a problem of sorts over his fitness and I wonder how much we can plan for his availability, but he and Williams seem to be suited to switch in and out seamlessly which is good because I would wonder about building a side around him at the moment. Yes, I trust williams and brooks as cover for rambo should he be unavailable. I'm unconvinced with wilson, he was brilliant there against azerbaijan away but he often loses the ball when pressured, so with less time against better teams I think he'll struggle. But we've definitely got a few options there now! |
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Post by manulike on Nov 21, 2019 11:52:24 GMT
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Post by nwcherries on Nov 21, 2019 12:21:04 GMT
The fact is, without Ramsey you wouldn't have qualified for the Euros next year. Regardless of what he did or didn't deliver in the past, you're going to the Euro's and you have Ramsey, you're best player (IMO), to thank for it.
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Post by manulike on Nov 23, 2019 21:24:14 GMT
I see Rambo got thrown into action after 26'.
Can only assume it was a forced change due to injury to Bernardeshi?
#No.Rest.For.The.Wicked
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 18:44:47 GMT
The fact is, without Ramsey you wouldn't have qualified for the Euros next year. Regardless of what he did or didn't deliver in the past, you're going to the Euro's and you have Ramsey, you're best player (IMO), to thank for it. W.........T...................F......................... |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 24, 2019 18:53:21 GMT
Brilliant on Tuesday night, best performance since the last EUROS.
There have been dips in between.
Let's hope his form continues and he stays fit.
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Post by cymroircarn on Nov 24, 2019 19:14:40 GMT
Brilliant on Tuesday night, best performance since the last EUROS. There have been dips in between. Let's hope his form continues and he stays fit. .... and he’s played in his best position. Please Giggs do not drop him pack to sit alongside Allen |
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Post by caeboy on Nov 24, 2019 19:40:16 GMT
The fact is, without Ramsey you wouldn't have qualified for the Euros next year. Regardless of what he did or didn't deliver in the past, you're going to the Euro's and you have Ramsey, you're best player (IMO), to thank for it. W.........T...................F......................... He played one and a bit games! Vital for the finals though. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 24, 2019 19:42:11 GMT
W.........T...................F......................... He played one and a bit games! Vital for the finals though. Nov 21, 2019 at 12:21pm nwcherries said: The fact is, without Ramsey you wouldn't have qualified for the Euros next year. Regardless of what he did or didn't deliver in the past, you're going to the Euro's and you have Ramsey, you're best player (IMO), to thank for it. ^^^^ Game was over by the time he came on in Azerbaijan. We may have won the Hungary game without him, I'd say more than likely we would have qualified. |
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Post by manulike on Nov 24, 2019 20:58:43 GMT
Whatever you all say ... I still blame Rambo if we are going Back To Baku ;-(
#Dreaming.Of.White.Nights.In.Saint.Pete
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