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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 20:53:32 GMT
Cracking first half. Ramsey playing well, in his prefered position as a no.8, box to box in a midfield 3. Only watched the last 5 and he was decent enough from what I saw. Hopefully he stays on for the whole game this time I'll be happy if he gets 60/70 minutes, they need to manage him carefully! Juve aren't being allowed much time on the ball, Ramsey is coping well with tidy passing. Dybala is a magician at getting out of tight spaces, he's almost as good at it as Jazz Richards or Joniesta! |
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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 20:54:10 GMT
The ref is having a real stinker ... But great game, nonetheless The ref has made some strange calls, especially the yellow card for Rambo. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 13, 2020 21:12:42 GMT
The ref is having a real stinker ... But great game, nonetheless The ref has made some strange calls, especially the yellow card for Rambo. Praise be to the Lord that Rambo was subbed after 60'
That game was starting to look more like rugby than footy!
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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 21:13:34 GMT
Off after 60 odd minutes, kicked the sideboard in anger.
He was playing well, maybe Sarri was being cautious as Ramsey was on a yellow and the ref was card happy tonight.
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Post by iot on Feb 13, 2020 21:14:40 GMT
Damn, we could have done with Juve putting in a really good performance with Ramsey starting. As it is, they concede after 60 mins and immediately take rambo off. I get the argument that it's not necessarily a bad thing that he's getting 60 and 30 mins here and there, but I'd much rather he went into the euros bang on form and fully match fit. There's only a couple of months left now and I don't think he's done enough in this game to get the fans on board and get closer to the first team, particularly with the way this game's gone - it's not his fault but that hardly matters. The team performance will affect the way he's perceived given he started the game.
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Post by manulike on Feb 13, 2020 21:17:33 GMT
Damn, we could have done with Juve putting in a really good performance with Ramsey starting. As it is, they concede after 60 mins and immediately take rambo off. I get the argument that it's not necessarily a bad thing that he's getting 60 and 30 mins here and there, but I'd much rather he went into the euros bang on form and fully match fit. There's only a couple of months left now and I don't think he's done enough in this game to get the fans on board and get closer to the first team, particularly with the way this game's gone - it's not his fault but that hardly matters. The team performance will affect the way he's perceived given he started the game. The word on Twitter is that Sarri was going out of his way to accommodate Rambo in the match tonight and that he is nailed on to start the Lyon match in the CL as well. <!----><!----> |
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Post by iot on Feb 13, 2020 21:18:07 GMT
Off after 60 odd minutes, kicked the sideboard in anger. He was playing well, maybe Sarri was being cautious as Ramsey was on a yellow and the ref was card happy tonight. Nah, we're past that now. They're no longer being cautious with him and building up his match fitness, we're way beyond that point. He's not starting most games and is the first subbed off when they're not doing well because he's not affecting games like Sarri wants him to. That's the honest truth. The fans are starting to get a bit restless and the pressure's starting to build, so he needs to turn things around quickly. We all know he has the talent to do it, so I'm still hopeful, but I just hope the chances he's getting won't start to dry up. |
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Post by iot on Feb 13, 2020 21:21:13 GMT
Damn, we could have done with Juve putting in a really good performance with Ramsey starting. As it is, they concede after 60 mins and immediately take rambo off. I get the argument that it's not necessarily a bad thing that he's getting 60 and 30 mins here and there, but I'd much rather he went into the euros bang on form and fully match fit. There's only a couple of months left now and I don't think he's done enough in this game to get the fans on board and get closer to the first team, particularly with the way this game's gone - it's not his fault but that hardly matters. The team performance will affect the way he's perceived given he started the game. The word on Twitter is that Sarri was going out of his way to accommodate Rambo in the match tonight and that his is nailed on to start the Lyon match in the CL as well. <!----> I very much doubt that, looking at the amount of games where he hasn't come off the bench recently and the way in which he's always subbed off when Juve are struggling. That sequence of events said it all I think - Juve concede, they take ramsey off before they get a chance to kick off and ramsey kicks out at the boarding. If he was currently seen as a key player nailed on to start against Lyon, that wouldn't happen. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 21:26:13 GMT
Off after 60 odd minutes, kicked the sideboard in anger. He was playing well, maybe Sarri was being cautious as Ramsey was on a yellow and the ref was card happy tonight. Nah, we're past that now. They're no longer being cautious with him and building up his match fitness, we're way beyond that point. He's not starting most games and is the first subbed off when they're not doing well because he's not affecting games like Sarri wants him to. That's the honest truth. The fans are starting to get a bit restless and the pressure's starting to build, so he needs to turn things around quickly. We all know he has the talent to do it, so I'm still hopeful, but I just hope the chances he's getting won't start to dry up. I disagree. Juve have a game on Sunday. I don't think Ramsey was ever likely to play 90 minutes tonight, when they have a game in 3 days. I think he would've stayed on for a bit longer though, had he not been on a yellow card. Ac Milan are now down to 10 men. Tonight has been his best performance for them in a while, had he scored then the newspapers would give 9/10 instead of 6/10. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 21:28:11 GMT
I also think it hasn't necessarily been a bad Juve performance, Ac Milan have been up for it and defended really well.
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Post by iot on Feb 13, 2020 21:40:55 GMT
Nah, we're past that now. They're no longer being cautious with him and building up his match fitness, we're way beyond that point. He's not starting most games and is the first subbed off when they're not doing well because he's not affecting games like Sarri wants him to. That's the honest truth. The fans are starting to get a bit restless and the pressure's starting to build, so he needs to turn things around quickly. We all know he has the talent to do it, so I'm still hopeful, but I just hope the chances he's getting won't start to dry up. I disagree. Juve have a game on Sunday. I don't think Ramsey was ever likely to play 90 minutes tonight, when they have a game in 3 days. I think he would've stayed on for a bit longer though, had he not been on a yellow card. Ac Milan are now down to 10 men. Tonight has been his best performance for them in a while, had he scored then the newspapers would give 9/10 instead of 6/10. I'm sorry, but i think you're looking sat this through thick rose-tinted glasses. Let's look at the facts. He went through a period of two or three games where he didn't come off the bench at all. And that wasn't after returning from injury, he hasn't been injured for months. It was after a period of being in and out of the team (where, by the way, he was always subbed off). Sarri clearly wasn't happy with his performances. If it was a matter of managing and building up his fitness, they would have given him 30mins in those games. In a couple of those game Juve went behind - if they were happy with ramsey's performances they would bring him off the bench to try to recover the situation, but instead they bring on other midfielders. Now in this game, they concede a goal and before juve get a chance to kick off again they bring rambo off. Don't you think that's a bit too much of a coincidence that it wasn't related to the goal and just a case of managing his fitness/preventing a red card? Come off it. And you said it yourself, ramsey kicked the board in frustration after coming off. It doesn't take a genius to see that his lack of minutes at the moment is to do with where he's seen in the pecking order and nothing to do with fitness or risk of suspension. I think Ramsey's a brilliant player and is more than capable of turning it around, given the opportunity. But I don't see the point in kidding ourselves that he's being saved for future games when that's clearly not the case. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 13, 2020 22:44:53 GMT
I disagree. Juve have a game on Sunday. I don't think Ramsey was ever likely to play 90 minutes tonight, when they have a game in 3 days. I think he would've stayed on for a bit longer though, had he not been on a yellow card. Ac Milan are now down to 10 men. Tonight has been his best performance for them in a while, had he scored then the newspapers would give 9/10 instead of 6/10. I'm sorry, but i think you're looking sat this through thick rose-tinted glasses. Let's look at the facts. He went through a period of two or three games where he didn't come off the bench at all. And that wasn't after returning from injury, he hasn't been injured for months. It was after a period of being in and out of the team (where, by the way, he was always subbed off). Sarri clearly wasn't happy with his performances. If it was a matter of managing and building up his fitness, they would have given him 30mins in those games. In a couple of those game Juve went behind - if they were happy with ramsey's performances they would bring him off the bench to try to recover the situation, but instead they bring on other midfielders. Now in this game, they concede a goal and before juve get a chance to kick off again they bring rambo off. Don't you think that's a bit too much of a coincidence that it wasn't related to the goal and just a case of managing his fitness/preventing a red card? Come off it. And you said it yourself, ramsey kicked the board in frustration after coming off. It doesn't take a genius to see that his lack of minutes at the moment is to do with where he's seen in the pecking order and nothing to do with fitness or risk of suspension. I think Ramsey's a brilliant player and is more than capable of turning it around, given the opportunity. But I don't see the point in kidding ourselves that he's being saved for future games when that's clearly not the case. It's probably a little of this a little of that. Maybe I have slight rose tinted glasses, but I think youre being too pessimistic about the whole situation too. You make a good case, but still I think there's more too it than simply him being out of favour. I do think they're managing his fitness, that perhaps he's having to adapt his game and work hard on it in training, and I think the yellow card was definitely a factor in him being subbed after 60' tonight, he was having a better game than Matuidi who played an extra 10 minutes or so. And Ramsey played well, he can definitely take positives from his performance, despite being subbed. |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Feb 14, 2020 9:30:58 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 14, 2020 10:42:36 GMT
If there's any rumblings of discontent at Juve, it's about Sarri not Ramsey.
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Post by cadno on Feb 14, 2020 11:49:28 GMT
That's good to see. He's still adapting to the tactics and football in Italy and he isn't playing completely instinctively or in a 'flow' state yet. As long as he doesn't get injured too often, he will end up being a really good player for Juve. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 14, 2020 18:48:15 GMT
Pep to Juventus, happy days!
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Post by manulike on Feb 14, 2020 19:48:07 GMT
Pep to Juventus, happy days! Thought they are going for Arsene? Maybe Pep can be his understudy there ';-)
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Post by quetzal on Feb 15, 2020 5:20:06 GMT
Ramsey off the map at Juve. I still think the move could work out for him.
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Post by georgetm1 on Feb 16, 2020 13:22:16 GMT
Rambo's starting vs Brescia at 2pm.
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Post by iot on Feb 16, 2020 14:55:07 GMT
Very good first half from ramsey. He's been classic Rambo, getting challenges in, creating chances and getting on the end of a chance or two himself. He got their player sent off (via a second yellow) by breaking into the box and being taken out just on the edge. He's so much better in this 8 position than he is as a 10. Would be great if he could build on this now
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Post by cadno on Feb 16, 2020 15:03:14 GMT
Yeah he's been good! He played there the other day too and did well, it would be nice if he got a goal 😊
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Post by manulike on Feb 22, 2020 16:24:05 GMT
Sarri obviously not reading the memo about Rambo being out of his plans ...
Another start today at 5pm.
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Post by manulike on Feb 22, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
Yeah he's been good! He played there the other day too and did well, it would be nice if he got a goal 😊 And the man delivers ;-) SHEER CLASS GOAL
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Post by cadno on Feb 22, 2020 18:28:15 GMT
Lovely pass earlier and a great goal.
Flop!
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Post by cadno on Feb 22, 2020 18:28:45 GMT
Yeah he's been good! He played there the other day too and did well, it would be nice if he got a goal 😊 And the man delivers ;-) SHEER CLASS GOAL
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Post by manulike on Feb 22, 2020 18:41:26 GMT
Sarri proves, yet again, that he has Rambo's best interests at heart and takes him off after 73' - despite their lead been reduced to 1-2 a minute earlier. This is obviously a pure indication of how valuable he sees him. He is no Wenger, but I am starting to appreciate the man ;-)
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Post by iot on Feb 22, 2020 19:41:19 GMT
Ramsey reiterating again today that he much prefers playing as an 8 over the 10 position:
I think it's something we really should take into account. It's only a slight adjustment to how we lined up in the last few games, we just drop Ramsey back deeper but at the same time give him freedom to push forward
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Post by iot on Feb 22, 2020 19:52:20 GMT
Ramsey reiterating again today that he much prefers playing as an 8 over the 10 position: I think it's something we really should take into account. It's only a slight adjustment to how we lined up in the last few games, we just drop Ramsey back deeper but at the same time give him freedom to push forward For those not on twitter: www.juvefc.com/ramsey-this-is-my-position/ |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 19:55:24 GMT
As much as his injuries and missing games drives me insane,and the rest of us and of course himself the guy has skill to spare hasn't he.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 22, 2020 20:43:06 GMT
Ramsey reiterating again today that he much prefers playing as an 8 over the 10 position: I think it's something we really should take into account. It's only a slight adjustment to how we lined up in the last few games, we just drop Ramsey back deeper but at the same time give him freedom to push forward An 8.5 as opposed to an 8. That's what Allegri said was his best position when he signed him. You could call it a defensive 10 as well I suppose. But yes that's what his skill set is best suited for |
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