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Post by iot on Feb 22, 2020 21:16:00 GMT
Ramsey reiterating again today that he much prefers playing as an 8 over the 10 position: I think it's something we really should take into account. It's only a slight adjustment to how we lined up in the last few games, we just drop Ramsey back deeper but at the same time give him freedom to push forward An 8.5 as opposed to an 8. That's what Allegri said was his best position when he signed him. You could call it a defensive 10 as well I suppose. But yes that's what his skill set is best suited for It might sound immaterial and hipstery or whatever, but I think it's really important. I wouldn't call it a defensive 10 at all actually. Because the key difference for me is where he receives the ball and which area of the pitch he occupies as the base position. He's much more effective when he starts deeper and ghosts into the box like he did for the goal today. He also has more time in a deeper position to build up play. There's always been a misconception that he's a natural 10 like an ozil or maddison where he should receive the ball in the final third and thread players through. He can do a job there, but often struggles with the lack of space. He's far more effective when starting from deeper areas of the pitch for me |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 22, 2020 22:53:39 GMT
An 8.5 as opposed to an 8. That's what Allegri said was his best position when he signed him. You could call it a defensive 10 as well I suppose. But yes that's what his skill set is best suited for It might sound immaterial and hipstery or whatever, but I think it's really important. I wouldn't call it a defensive 10 at all actually. Because the key difference for me is where he receives the ball and which area of the pitch he occupies as the base position. He's much more effective when he starts deeper and ghosts into the box like he did for the goal today. He also has more time in a deeper position to build up play. There's always been a misconception that he's a natural 10 like an ozil or maddison where he should receive the ball in the final third and thread players through. He can do a job there, but often struggles with the lack of space. He's far more effective when starting from deeper areas of the pitch for me Yes really good point there. What I meant by defensive 10 is that he has the engine to work back into a midfield 3 as well as getting into the box, which a lot of out and out 10's don't. A lot of players like Ozil/Silva will defend by sitting in front of 2 deeper CMs in the defensive phase, whereas Rambo goes further in committing to getting back. You are right though in that Ozil/Silva type players are better at receiving the ball in the final 3rd and in tight areas than Rambo, who is most effective when entering the box from deep, exemplified by his goal today. As long as our system is built around allowing Rambo maximum opportunities to get forward you can call it a 10 or an 8 or an 8.5 or whatever, it's about the roles he fulfils at the end of the day. I thought he was brilliant against Hungary so here's hoping for more of the same this summer. I'm hoping that he can be at the heart of a Juve team going far in Europe in the mean time. |
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Post by iot on Feb 23, 2020 12:51:15 GMT
Just browsed the juve forum page on rambo and saw this, which sums up my thoughts better than I managed to express earlier:
'There is a big difference between playing central midfielder and attacking midfielder. People falsely assume that a CM who scores goals can automatically just play AM, when in reality those roles require a very different skillset. A goalscoring CM won’t score more goals when you move him to AM.
Frank Lampard once said that he hated playing on the tip it’s diamond because he couldn’t play with his back to goal. Ramsey, like Lampard, is a goalscoring midfielder who likes to arrive late into the box (not as good sadly).
The technical central midfielders like Iniesta and David Silva have an easier time moving up to attacking midfielder because they have the close control to play in congested areas of the pitch, something Ramsey doesn’t have.'
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Post by rico on Feb 27, 2020 8:56:14 GMT
Caught a bit of Rambo yesterday, came on around the 60 minute mark. He's looking frustrated, don't think Sarri know's how to properly use him but he did look sharp when he did get on the ball. Ended up injuring Lyon's Cornet just by being class. (Cornet second to the ball and kicked Rambo back of leg but ended up worse off).
Still got a feeling they will offload him when they can, but I think he's changing peoples opinions over there.
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Post by johnoster on Feb 27, 2020 9:27:58 GMT
Looking at it from Sarri's POV - I think he wants Ramsey to play, but doesn't want him injured, and has other players to keep happy too.
I think Ramsey should be playing more, but also want him injury free.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Feb 27, 2020 9:59:40 GMT
Juve have a big squad and that combined with Rambo's injury history means it's never going to be a case of 90 after 90 after 90 for him while he's there, at least not this season.
I actually think Sarri is trying to get the best out of him by changing the formation. He's originally played the 4-3-1-2 to get the best from him, that didn't work. Now he's playing in a flat 3 and it seems to be working a bit better. Guarantee he will start the home leg vs Lyon
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Post by iot on Feb 27, 2020 13:20:36 GMT
Nah, I disagree with the last couple of posters. If Sarri was just carefully managing his gametime, he wouldn't start him in 4 consecutive league games and then bench him for a knockout champions league game. Need to take those blinkers off I'm afraid.
I think Sarri just doesn't fully trust him yet. He has a particular style of play and doesn't fully trust rambo to fit into that style of playing. After the game yesterday, sarri's whole comments were around how slow juve were in 'circulating' the ball. Maybe he thinks rambo takes too many touches.
I'm not concerned though, rambo's form has been slowly improving in recent weeks and he's starting to win the fans around. Carry on like that and he'll force his way into the first team
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Post by cadno on Feb 27, 2020 23:22:14 GMT
Come on, there's undoubtedly an element of Ramsey's game time being managed properly. He cannot play 90 minutes every single game, that's a fact! It was only the first leg vs Lyon, and he had played a lot of football before that.
Luckily Juve are looking after him properly.
The weekend will be a strange one, I think they're playing Inter behind closed doors?
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 28, 2020 0:29:06 GMT
Come on, there's undoubtedly an element of Ramsey's game time being managed properly. He cannot play 90 minutes every single game, that's a fact! It was only the first leg vs Lyon, and he had played a lot of football before that. Luckily Juve are looking after him properly. The weekend will be a strange one, I think they're playing Inter behind closed doors? Agree and that game is huge. He starts. |
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Post by iot on Feb 28, 2020 12:38:05 GMT
Come on, there's undoubtedly an element of Ramsey's game time being managed properly. He cannot play 90 minutes every single game, that's a fact! It was only the first leg vs Lyon, and he had played a lot of football before that. Luckily Juve are looking after him properly. The weekend will be a strange one, I think they're playing Inter behind closed doors? There may be an element of Ramsey's gametime being managed, but let's be real. The knockout games against Lyon will undoubtedly be considered of higher importance to Juve than their regular Seria A games. If Ramsey was seen as an important member of their first team, clearly they would have chosen to rest him in 1 or two of the games leading up to the champions league game, not the CL game itself. To think otherwise would be foolish. Just to be clear, I think Ramsey's a world class talent and is probably our best player right now - he's not better than Bale at the height of his powers, but I don't think Bale's the same player anymore. I also think Ramsey will turn it around at Juve and force Sarri's hand. But I don't understand why some are kidding themselves on here. We all want what's best for Welsh football and for our players to do well, but I'd much rather have an honest view of how our players are doing rather than a mollycoddled one which creates a false impression. |
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Post by cadno on Feb 28, 2020 13:22:58 GMT
I see what youre saying iot but I don't think we're kidding ourselves. Yes Juve want to win the UCL more than anything, but the league is still huge, especially with Lazio looking very good and Inter pushing for the top spot as well. Juve set out to win everything they can, they need to rotate their players to do that, and imo Inter on Saturday is a bigger game than the Lyon first leg... |
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Post by TheWelshWay on Feb 28, 2020 16:45:11 GMT
Come on, there's undoubtedly an element of Ramsey's game time being managed properly. He cannot play 90 minutes every single game, that's a fact! It was only the first leg vs Lyon, and he had played a lot of football before that. Luckily Juve are looking after him properly. The weekend will be a strange one, I think they're playing Inter behind closed doors? There may be an element of Ramsey's gametime being managed, but let's be real. The knockout games against Lyon will undoubtedly be considered of higher importance to Juve than their regular Seria A games. If Ramsey was seen as an important member of their first team, clearly they would have chosen to rest him in 1 or two of the games leading up to the champions league game, not the CL game itself. To think otherwise would be foolish. Just to be clear, I think Ramsey's a world class talent and is probably our best player right now - he's not better than Bale at the height of his powers, but I don't think Bale's the same player anymore. I also think Ramsey will turn it around at Juve and force Sarri's hand. But I don't understand why some are kidding themselves on here. We all want what's best for Welsh football and for our players to do well, but I'd much rather have an honest view of how our players are doing rather than a mollycoddled one which creates a false impression. I get what you mean. But I do consider Rambo is an important member of their first team.
www.transfermarkt.co.uk/juventus-turin/leistungsdaten/verein/506 - looking at the stats, he is 14th and 15th in terms of appearances and minutes this season. Considering his numerous injuries, that suggests he is a starter or a sub when he is available. The fact he is an impact sub in a Champions league match does not make him a fringe player imo. He is no CR7, but certainly being treated the same as Bentancur, Kadeira, Rabiot and Bernardeschi in midfield.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 8, 2020 19:35:56 GMT
Starts vs Inter in the biggest Serie A game of the season so far
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 20:56:07 GMT
Just scored. Playing deeper than normal. Cool game to watch with the empty stadium and hearing the players and coaches.
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Post by manulike on Mar 8, 2020 20:57:09 GMT
RAMBO!!
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 8, 2020 21:02:01 GMT
Get in!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 21:08:48 GMT
Assist now for Dybala.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Mar 8, 2020 21:13:57 GMT
Come on, there's undoubtedly an element of Ramsey's game time being managed properly. He cannot play 90 minutes every single game, that's a fact! It was only the first leg vs Lyon, and he had played a lot of football before that. Luckily Juve are looking after him properly. The weekend will be a strange one, I think they're playing Inter behind closed doors? Agree and that game is huge. He starts. Called it. Goal and an assist to. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 8, 2020 21:32:35 GMT
Can't wait to see what negative iot can find from this. |
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Post by iot on Mar 8, 2020 22:44:34 GMT
Can't wait to see what negative iot can find from this. No negatives from me. He was part of a midfield that got dominated in the first half, but that all changed as soon as rambo got his goal. It wasn't the all-action rambo performance we all like to see, but it was more than good enough! Sarri wants his midfielders to take no more than two touches and that may still impede his contribution, but he's been doing just fine these past couple of games |
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Post by iot on Mar 8, 2020 22:46:08 GMT
Just scored. Playing deeper than normal. Cool game to watch with the empty stadium and hearing the players and coaches. He's been playing in that deeper position for the last 4 or 5 games. It's no coincidence that the change in role has coincided with an upturn in form. He must play there for us imo. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2020 11:29:26 GMT
An article reporting on Juve's win over Inter.
-It was also the first time Ramsey has completed 90 minutes for Juventus.
It has led to him being linked with a summer exit from Turin, with Manchester United touted as a possible destination.
However, Ramsey appears to still have a future with Juve, as Sarri has noticed an improvement in his fitness.
Sarri on Ramsey - "He maintains that he needs to see more of the pitch in front of him, or he gets a little lost,” he said.
“He is doing well in this role, although in fairness he’s also in much better physical condition now than he was when playing as a trequartista [an attacking midfielder].-
Interesting that Sarri feels he's physically fitter now.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 9, 2020 11:52:58 GMT
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 9, 2020 12:46:16 GMT
Now that is a proper box-to-box performance. |
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Post by larslagerback on Mar 10, 2020 0:04:07 GMT
100% of how many dribbles and tackles? One? Ten? Fifteen? |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 10, 2020 8:05:04 GMT
100% of how many dribbles and tackles? One? Ten? Fifteen? Just take it for what it is, it will probably be the last game. |
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Post by oscardelta on Mar 10, 2020 10:11:40 GMT
Issue is will he be kept in Quarantine in Italy or allowed out for friendlies ?
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Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 10, 2020 10:47:47 GMT
Issue is will he be kept in Quarantine in Italy or allowed out for friendlies ? I'm surprised these friendlies haven't been called off already. |
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Post by oscardelta on Mar 10, 2020 10:52:29 GMT
Issue is will he be kept in Quarantine in Italy or allowed out for friendlies ? I'm surprised these friendlies haven't been called off already. Think everybody is in the hope phase at the moment rather than the reality phase. I expect reality phase hits by next monday.
I am in the lucky position as will be zero out of pocket if ROI games cancelled or behind close doors but that is more luck than judgement.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Mar 10, 2020 11:18:41 GMT
I'm surprised these friendlies haven't been called off already. Think everybody is in the hope phase at the moment rather than the reality phase. I expect reality phase hits by next monday.
I am in the lucky position as will be zero out of pocket if ROI games cancelled or behind close doors but that is more luck than judgement.
I hope your games go ahead but friendlies are relatively pointless given the current situation. If the play offs don't happen progress then the tournament wont happen either. Could draw lots to decide the play offs but that wont go down well. The best bet right now is that it takes place summer 2021. |
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