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Post by conwy10 on Jul 8, 2020 22:11:59 GMT
Played the last 25' v. Milan. Dare I say it ... but has our Aaron had a few too many #LockDownPizzas? Looked sluggish and had a poor couple of touches ;-( Yes - I watched that. He was left out of the first squad after being deemed unfit and he hasn't been deemed fit enough to start a game since the break. Last night was the first time I've seen him since the break, and he certainly has put on some weight. I can't believe he's been so unprofessional - he's meant to be fighting for a first team place! I’ve not seen him but doesn’t sound good. Sharing a changing room with a monster like Ronaldo I bet it’ll be seen as disrespectful. The face of the Juventus brand coming back looking like a Greek god and sees someone who’s let themselves go. |
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Post by cadno on Jul 12, 2020 5:36:22 GMT
What's the story with Aaron Ramsey? :-)
Easing him in due to lack of fitness?
Does he have a chance of getting more game time in the UCL?
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Post by iot on Jul 12, 2020 9:36:23 GMT
What's the story with Aaron Ramsey? :-) Easing him in due to lack of fitness? Does he have a chance of getting more game time in the UCL? Nah, that's been the prevailing narrative throughout his time at Juventus, but it's just a lazy, comfortable way for Welsh fans to look at it. It certainly was true at the start of the season, and perhaps at a couple of other points, that they were easing him back from injury with view of integrating him gradually into the first team. But that is in no way the only reason he's been in and out throughout the season. Sarri openly said subsequently that Ramsey's struggling to do what Sarri wants from his midfielders and that's probably the main reason he wasn't a nailed on starter pre-covid. He did look to be building up some form before the outbreak and I was starting to feel more confident that he would prove his worth. His lack of gametime since the outbreak appears to be completely Ramsey's own doing. He was fully fit going into the lockdown so you'd imagine, given his struggles thus far with injuries and the fact he's supposed to be fighting for a first team spot, he would have used the lockdown to get as fit and prepared as possible once the season restarted. But he was completely left out of their first squad for being among the most unfit players to return to action at the club. There's no excuse for that. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 12, 2020 9:52:07 GMT
Yeah I think this is a problem of Ramsey's making by the sounds. It's also likely that Sarri is using this run of games to develop a consistent XI who can have a crack at the Champions League (not forgetting they are behind in their leg against Lyon). I think it will be really hard for Rambo to break into that XI at the moment and he'll have to work very hard. It's not impossible, and he certainly has more talent than Rabiot, but it's probably unlikely he'll force his way in regularly for the last few games
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2020 10:13:37 GMT
What's the story with Aaron Ramsey? :-) Easing him in due to lack of fitness? Does he have a chance of getting more game time in the UCL? Nah, that's been the prevailing narrative throughout his time at Juventus, but it's just a lazy, comfortable way for Welsh fans to look at it. It certainly was true at the start of the season, and perhaps at a couple of other points, that they were easing him back from injury with view of integrating him gradually into the first team. But that is in no way the only reason he's been in and out throughout the season. Sarri openly said subsequently that Ramsey's struggling to do what Sarri wants from his midfielders and that's probably the main reason he wasn't a nailed on starter pre-covid. He did look to be building up some form before the outbreak and I was starting to feel more confident that he would prove his worth. His lack of gametime since the outbreak appears to be completely Ramsey's own doing. He was fully fit going into the lockdown so you'd imagine, given his struggles thus far with injuries and the fact he's supposed to be fighting for a first team spot, he would have used the lockdown to get as fit and prepared as possible once the season restarted. But he was completely left out of their first squad for being among the most unfit players to return to action at the club. There's no excuse for that. Firstly there is a certain conceit to be paid that amount of money and yet not keep yourself in a condition in which you can actually earn that money. It’s like calling up your boss and telling him you can’t come in because you are hungover and you want a day off on full pay. Scandalous really and if I was part of the Juventus hierarchy I’d be fuming as it’s money down the drain. I was openly critical of this transfer a few pages back and I haven’t been proved wrong so far. Actually I did get it wrong in that he’s had even less opportunities than even I thought he would! He is clearly not wanted by Sarri and has been somewhat thrust on him. His lack of involvement in the first leg against Lyon was telling. The champions league is their priority and if he is not starting games in the knockout stages then there has to be doubts that Sarri sees him as a player who can deliver it for them. |
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Post by cadno on Jul 12, 2020 11:31:32 GMT
What's the story with Aaron Ramsey? :-) Easing him in due to lack of fitness? Does he have a chance of getting more game time in the UCL? Nah, that's been the prevailing narrative throughout his time at Juventus, but it's just a lazy, comfortable way for Welsh fans to look at it. It certainly was true at the start of the season, and perhaps at a couple of other points, that they were easing him back from injury with view of integrating him gradually into the first team. But that is in no way the only reason he's been in and out throughout the season. Sarri openly said subsequently that Ramsey's struggling to do what Sarri wants from his midfielders and that's probably the main reason he wasn't a nailed on starter pre-covid. He did look to be building up some form before the outbreak and I was starting to feel more confident that he would prove his worth. His lack of gametime since the outbreak appears to be completely Ramsey's own doing. He was fully fit going into the lockdown so you'd imagine, given his struggles thus far with injuries and the fact he's supposed to be fighting for a first team spot, he would have used the lockdown to get as fit and prepared as possible once the season restarted. But he was completely left out of their first squad for being among the most unfit players to return to action at the club. There's no excuse for that. Interesting take, thanks! Hopefully he can use this experience to improve aspects of his game! He didn't go there to put his feet up and be comfortable, he's gone to a world class set up that demands a lot. I really hope they don't sell him, and he gets another crack at the whip next season! It's common knowledge how much Sarri likes Jorginho, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's some truth in a swap deal with Chelsea... pretty sure Lampard would like what he sees in Rambo too. But, in an ideal world I'd like to see Pep join Juve and Ramsey staying there :-) |
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Post by insertname on Jul 12, 2020 14:20:54 GMT
Nah, that's been the prevailing narrative throughout his time at Juventus, but it's just a lazy, comfortable way for Welsh fans to look at it. It certainly was true at the start of the season, and perhaps at a couple of other points, that they were easing him back from injury with view of integrating him gradually into the first team. But that is in no way the only reason he's been in and out throughout the season. Sarri openly said subsequently that Ramsey's struggling to do what Sarri wants from his midfielders and that's probably the main reason he wasn't a nailed on starter pre-covid. He did look to be building up some form before the outbreak and I was starting to feel more confident that he would prove his worth. His lack of gametime since the outbreak appears to be completely Ramsey's own doing. He was fully fit going into the lockdown so you'd imagine, given his struggles thus far with injuries and the fact he's supposed to be fighting for a first team spot, he would have used the lockdown to get as fit and prepared as possible once the season restarted. But he was completely left out of their first squad for being among the most unfit players to return to action at the club. There's no excuse for that. Interesting take, thanks! Hopefully he can use this experience to improve aspects of his game! He didn't go there to put his feet up and be comfortable, he's gone to a world class set up that demands a lot. I really hope they don't sell him, and he gets another crack at the whip next season! It's common knowledge how much Sarri likes Jorginho, so I wouldn't be surprised if there's some truth in a swap deal with Chelsea... pretty sure Lampard would like what he sees in Rambo too. But, in an ideal world I'd like to see Pep join Juve and Ramsey staying there :-) Any transfer will involve a significant pay cut so I can see Ramsey/Juventus becoming a Bale/Madrid situation. What pressure is there for Ramsey to seek first team football elsewhere? He is moving into his 30’s now so a fat contract and less football is probably ideal. It’s not even like Ramsey has a Euro 2021 place to fight for either- he knows he’s a guaranteed starter so another season playing a bit-part for Juventus is not going to really hurt him and probably wouldn’t bother Giggs either as he is less likely to pick up an injury. |
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 14, 2020 15:49:36 GMT
Nah, that's been the prevailing narrative throughout his time at Juventus, but it's just a lazy, comfortable way for Welsh fans to look at it. It certainly was true at the start of the season, and perhaps at a couple of other points, that they were easing him back from injury with view of integrating him gradually into the first team. But that is in no way the only reason he's been in and out throughout the season. Sarri openly said subsequently that Ramsey's struggling to do what Sarri wants from his midfielders and that's probably the main reason he wasn't a nailed on starter pre-covid. He did look to be building up some form before the outbreak and I was starting to feel more confident that he would prove his worth. His lack of gametime since the outbreak appears to be completely Ramsey's own doing. He was fully fit going into the lockdown so you'd imagine, given his struggles thus far with injuries and the fact he's supposed to be fighting for a first team spot, he would have used the lockdown to get as fit and prepared as possible once the season restarted. But he was completely left out of their first squad for being among the most unfit players to return to action at the club. There's no excuse for that. Firstly there is a certain conceit to be paid that amount of money and yet not keep yourself in a condition in which you can actually earn that money. It’s like calling up your boss and telling him you can’t come in because you are hungover and you want a day off on full pay. Scandalous really and if I was part of the Juventus hierarchy I’d be fuming as it’s money down the drain. I was openly critical of this transfer a few pages back and I haven’t been proved wrong so far. Actually I did get it wrong in that he’s had even less opportunities than even I thought he would! He is clearly not wanted by Sarri and has been somewhat thrust on him. His lack of involvement in the first leg against Lyon was telling. The champions league is their priority and if he is not starting games in the knockout stages then there has to be doubts that Sarri sees him as a player who can deliver it for them. Said it all along, Juve's board saw him as free real estate and acted quickly to get his signature. He's still attractive to PL clubs, so whatever they sell him on for will be a healthy profit. A couple of goals here and there, and most of apostle have convinced themselves he's some spiritual reincarnation of John Charles and that it was destiny, or some bollocks. On his day he's an incredibly talented midfielder up there with the very best, problem is his "day" is once every blue moon. When the dust settles, he's nailed on for an Arsenal return. |
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Post by cadno on Jul 14, 2020 17:16:57 GMT
Nobody said he was hitting John Charles' levels, and I don't think anybody expected as much. 😊
He was putting good performances in before the lockdown in Italy. He scored one goal with a lovely chip and scored an important goal in the last game before Serie A came to a stop.
But it's a shame he hasn't been able to get game time or hit the same kind of form since the return of football.
I hope he stays for at least another season!
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Post by iot on Jul 14, 2020 19:45:05 GMT
Firstly there is a certain conceit to be paid that amount of money and yet not keep yourself in a condition in which you can actually earn that money. It’s like calling up your boss and telling him you can’t come in because you are hungover and you want a day off on full pay. Scandalous really and if I was part of the Juventus hierarchy I’d be fuming as it’s money down the drain. I was openly critical of this transfer a few pages back and I haven’t been proved wrong so far. Actually I did get it wrong in that he’s had even less opportunities than even I thought he would! He is clearly not wanted by Sarri and has been somewhat thrust on him. His lack of involvement in the first leg against Lyon was telling. The champions league is their priority and if he is not starting games in the knockout stages then there has to be doubts that Sarri sees him as a player who can deliver it for them. Said it all along, Juve's board saw him as free real estate and acted quickly to get his signature. He's still attractive to PL clubs, so whatever they sell him on for will be a healthy profit. A couple of goals here and there, and most of apostle have convinced themselves he's some spiritual reincarnation of John Charles and that it was destiny, or some bollocks. On his day he's an incredibly talented midfielder up there with the very best, problem is his "day" is once every blue moon. When the dust settles, he's nailed on for an Arsenal return. Absolute bollocks, he's showed plenty of times in the past that he can put in top level performances consistently for sustained periods of time - just look at the euros and the fact he was the player of the year twice for a champions league side at the time. It wasn't just Juve that were after him, he held talks with / garnered interest from Barca, Bayern and most of the biggest clubs in Europe. He's certainly more than good enough to be in that Juve side - I wouldn't replace him for any of those other midfielders, he's far more talented. There are a few barriers that are preventing that from happening - his injuries of course, the very particular way Sarri likes his sides (particularly midfield) to play, and most disappointingly, his apparent own unprofessionalism in not keeping shape over the lockdown period. If he can get himself fit and stay injury free for a stretch, I'm sure he can show his worth. It's just a question of whether he can do that before the management run out of patience with him. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jul 14, 2020 22:23:52 GMT
Its just unfortunate that he had the broken leg he would have been even greater player.
My father still remembers the game against Scotland when he put them to the sword.
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Post by cadno on Jul 15, 2020 9:16:43 GMT
Its just unfortunate that he had the broken leg he would have been even greater player. My father still remembers the game against Scotland when he put them to the sword. I think you've got a point! His old school teacher reckoned Rambo lost a yard of pace after breaking his leg. And that was a class performance vs Scotland, Ramsey in particular was pure joy to watch! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 15, 2020 15:21:11 GMT
Its just unfortunate that he had the broken leg he would have been even greater player. My father still remembers the game against Scotland when he put them to the sword. I think you've got a point! His old school teacher reckoned Rambo lost a yard of pace after breaking his leg. And that was a class performance vs Scotland, Ramsey in particular was pure joy to watch! Had the leg break not happened he'd have been one of the best of his generation. He was running games against Premier League opposition at 17! |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Jul 15, 2020 18:05:43 GMT
He's not 'far more telented' than Matuidi, Douglas Costa, Betancur and Rabiot, more at a similar level. Problem with joining Juve is they have a lot bigger budget and deeper squad than anyone else in Serie A and that makes it all the harder to hold down a regular spot. Just look at the likes of Pjanic, Higuain and Alex Sandro who he's sharing a bench with there.
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Post by iot on Jul 15, 2020 19:10:50 GMT
He's not 'far more telented' than Matuidi, Douglas Costa, Betancur and Rabiot, more at a similar level. Problem with joining Juve is they have a lot bigger budget and deeper squad than anyone else in Serie A and that makes it all the harder to hold down a regular spot. Just look at the likes of Pjanic, Higuain and Alex Sandro who he's sharing a bench with there. He's definitely far more talented than matuidi and rabiot, who are workhorses more than anything. I also think he's a better footballer than bentancur - maybe not pjanic, but he's certainly more dynamic than him. The comparison with douglas costa, a wide forward player, is a nonsense - it would be like comparing him against ronaldo. I maintain, he's more talented than the club's other central midfielders |
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Post by jackanapes on Jul 16, 2020 11:02:14 GMT
Ramsey is an enigma. We all know how good he can be. At his best he dictates play, is dynamic and can carve open defences. But we also know that he can be completely ineffectual in games. He's such a frustrating player. I think the injury did take some of the edge from his play - his game changed. He's also been unlucky in his time at Arsenal to have been shifted around positionally and his injury record has caused him to dip in and out of form.
I suspect his issues are psychological. In some games he is 'on it'. In others he seems off the pace and fails to impose himself. Sometimes he's clearly trying to hard and dropping far too deep for the role he's been given.
This is all a convoluted way of saying: There's a reason he was criticised at Arsenal (not just their fans being morons) and there's a reason he hasnt secured a regular spot at Juve. Its not a question of ability but of consistency and fitness - the root causes of these issues are harder to understand.
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Post by iot on Jul 16, 2020 11:59:36 GMT
Ramsey is an enigma. We all know how good he can be. At his best he dictates play, is dynamic and can carve open defences. But we also know that he can be completely ineffectual in games. He's such a frustrating player. I think the injury did take some of the edge from his play - his game changed. He's also been unlucky in his time at Arsenal to have been shifted around positionally and his injury record has caused him to dip in and out of form. I suspect his issues are psychological. In some games he is 'on it'. In others he seems off the pace and fails to impose himself. Sometimes he's clearly trying to hard and dropping far too deep for the role he's been given. This is all a convoluted way of saying: There's a reason he was criticised at Arsenal (not just their fans being morons) and there's a reason he hasnt secured a regular spot at Juve. Its not a question of ability but of consistency and fitness - the root causes of these issues are harder to understand. I think the first couple of sentences is unfair - sure he's ineffectual in some games but so is every other footballer. Some are portaying himto be a brilliant one week poort the next five weeks type of player - like tom lawrence or potentially harry wilson. But that's not right - he goes through long stretches where he's exceptional. I will concede, however, that he can be frustrating in that it can take him time to build up form. I think he's quite an instinctive player and doesn't like to think things through too much. When's he's built up some form, he tends to continue playing really well until the inevitable injury comes along. Then's he's out for a period and has to concentrate on getting back to that form again, which tends to take a few games. |
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Post by rico on Jul 16, 2020 14:27:29 GMT
Made an effort to watch Juve when Rambo is coming off the bench. Last night he was slung on as 5th sub with 10 minutes to go, clearly lacking confidence and not being trusted by either his manager or team mates. Showed a lot of determination, few nice touches and a clean tackle which could have lead to a Juve counter (which he wrongly got booked for).
He made 1 or 2 misplaced passes, one a key pass which looking at social media briefly seemed to rile up their fan base. It's not the 1st time he's been wasteful on a counter attack, he played in the wrong player instead of a free Ronaldo in another game recently and that didn't go down well either. It seems at Juve he's got very little time to make an impression and every single touch he makes is under the microscope. Juve's fanbase doesn't seem too far away from Reals in terms of patience & fickleness.
As with Bale, can't imagine he's enjoying his role - but I think he's got the mental attributes/experience to put aside his club form and use the international break as some relief and a chance to express himself / prove he's still a world class player.
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Post by cadno on Jul 20, 2020 19:00:54 GMT
Starting tonight vs Lazio
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Post by hooky on Jul 20, 2020 20:41:28 GMT
Him and Bale must be earnung £1-2mn for each game they play!
It is totally bonkers!
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Post by iot on Jul 20, 2020 20:41:50 GMT
That's much more like it from Rambo, I like what I saw from him in that first half. It was vintage Ramsey, showing good flair, passing, off the ball movement, and tackles and interceptions. Proper all action stuff.
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Post by rico on Jul 23, 2020 17:36:59 GMT
Starting tonight, live now, Juve can win the title.
Booked within 30 seconds, oops
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Post by iot on Jul 23, 2020 18:52:10 GMT
Played 60mins. Unfortunately, it was a really poor performance. He seemed to be blowing from about the 20th minute and he was off the pace all game and really careless in possession. I'm assuming Sarri's still trying to work out his best combination for the midfield 3 before the champions league returns in a couple of weeks, rabiot and bentancur look to be nailed on. Ramsey certainly won't have done his case much good with that performance.
It's a real shame because he had a solid game last time and I expected him to build on it. Hopefully he'll get another opportunity in these last two games and take it this time.
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 26, 2020 21:47:05 GMT
Congratulations to Ramsey on winning Serie A
Our third league winner this season, when was the last time that happened?
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Post by jbt95 on Jul 27, 2020 8:08:35 GMT
Congratulations to Ramsey on winning Serie A Our third league winner this season, when was the last time that happened? 93 - Giggs, Hughes and Blackmore. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jul 28, 2020 7:57:30 GMT
1961 - John Charles (Juventus), Cliff Jones (Tottenham), Terry Medwin (Tottenham)
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 28, 2020 8:10:01 GMT
1961 - John Charles (Juventus), Cliff Jones (Tottenham), Terry Medwin (Tottenham) Wow that is some knowledge, fair play. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 28, 2020 8:10:59 GMT
Congratulations to Ramsey on winning Serie A Our third league winner this season, when was the last time that happened? Take it we're only on about major leagues and not the Cymru Premier?  |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 28, 2020 9:01:06 GMT
What about when Ledley and Matthews were at Celtic and Giggs at Man Utd? 2013 maybe?
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jul 28, 2020 10:59:35 GMT
1961 - John Charles (Juventus), Cliff Jones (Tottenham), Terry Medwin (Tottenham) Wow that is some knowledge, fair play. I didn't know that off the top of my head, but thought it'd be likely when John Charles won one of his Serie A titles and looked up the years. |
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