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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 5, 2020 9:59:55 GMT
I'd have given him 45 against England, but ultimately I'd rather him play the full 90 in the 2 competitive games. I sense that it's more to do with managing his game time - let's not forget he's had rotten luck with injuries - rather than anything covid related. I think it is wrong if he can't play but other Juventus players can, but tbh the game with England is meaningless beyond our own pride & given how little we've had Rambo available, I just want to see him play our 2 competitive games
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 5, 2020 10:16:31 GMT
Looking it seems to be because two Juventus staff members have covid, which surely isn't a particularly good reason given that they can just test him and let him play? Liverpool have had two players test positive, but that isn't going to prevent Trent Alexander-Arnold, Joe Gomez and Jordan Henderson from playing is it? Might be an Italian rule preventing him leaving. |
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 10:17:45 GMT
I'm interested to see if Cristiano Ronaldo features for Portugal against Spain on Wednesday. Surely the same applies to him. I've seen nothing to suggest he won't feature. We shall wait with baited breath. Portugal have got Spain Wednesday, and I doubt Ronaldo will want to miss that. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 5, 2020 14:27:16 GMT
I'm interested to see if Cristiano Ronaldo features for Portugal against Spain on Wednesday. Surely the same applies to him. I've seen nothing to suggest he won't feature. Are you suggesting that Ronaldo is even half the player that Rambo is ;-)) |
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 14:32:14 GMT
There is still nothing suggesting that Ronaldo will be missing Portugal's match.
I have a feeling this is some agreement between Giggs, Ramsey and Juve to manage Ramsey's game time......
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 5, 2020 14:40:38 GMT
There is still nothing suggesting that Ronaldo will be missing Portugal's match. I have a feeling this is some agreement between Giggs, Ramsey and Juve to manage Ramsey's game time...... If so it's strange that he can't at least train with us for now. Our reports suggest he won't join up with the squad until after the England match. |
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 15:08:25 GMT
There is still nothing suggesting that Ronaldo will be missing Portugal's match. I have a feeling this is some agreement between Giggs, Ramsey and Juve to manage Ramsey's game time...... If so it's strange that he can't at least train with us for now. Our reports suggest he won't join up with the squad until after the England match. Also, the bubble explanation in the press doesn't add up, as Juve were more than ready to play yesterday. So to read today that they now have to stay in this 'bubble' doesn't make sense. I don't like to constantly criticise players for being absent, but quite often we could do with more clarity on a situation. |
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Post by iot on Oct 5, 2020 15:18:12 GMT
There is still nothing suggesting that Ronaldo will be missing Portugal's match. I have a feeling this is some agreement between Giggs, Ramsey and Juve to manage Ramsey's game time...... Yes there is, there's this: 'Ramsey's absence was confirmed after Juventus players entered their bubble following two non-playing staff testing positive. None of those players is allowed to leave that bubble unless permitted to do so by the Azienda Sanitaria Locale (ASL) - the Local Health Unit.' www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54408192So the only way Ronaldo gets to play for Portugal and Ramsey doesn't for us is if he gets special treatment from the local health unit. I can't see why that would happen. |
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Post by iot on Oct 5, 2020 15:22:33 GMT
If so it's strange that he can't at least train with us for now. Our reports suggest he won't join up with the squad until after the England match. Also, the bubble explanation in the press doesn't add up, as Juve were more than ready to play yesterday. So to read today that they now have to stay in this 'bubble' doesn't make sense. I don't like to constantly criticise players for being absent, but quite often we could do with more clarity on a situation. I think you're misunderstanding the situation. Every league will have drawn up protocols to deal with these situations. This is what they've done in Italy - where there is an outbreak, you can remain with and play for your side, but you can't go outside of that bubble. I'm not saying it makes sense - like you, I can't understand how playing against another side (i.e. Napoli) is consistent with forming the bubble, but that's the protocols they've drawn up as a league. The fiasco last night just shows how shambolic they are in Italy, but you should put the blame where it lies. This isn't in Rambo's control. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 5, 2020 15:42:43 GMT
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 15:46:39 GMT
What did I bloody say! Absolutely laughable!!
Can Ramsey just retire now and spare us all this nonsense each time.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 5, 2020 15:50:45 GMT
I understand him missing the England match to preserve his fitness but we should have brought him over to at least train with us in the coming days.
He hasn't played for us in 11 months, and I imagine our gameplan will be heavily based around him so the more days we have him with the squad the better.
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 15:52:49 GMT
A few days shouldn't make a difference so I'm presuming he's out for Ireland and Bulgaria as well.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 5, 2020 16:04:23 GMT
I doubt that personally.
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 16:11:46 GMT
The whole situation doesn't add up, and I don't see a reasonable argument as to why he can miss the England game then suddenly become available for Bulgaria and Ireland. He has a history of dropping out of matches, for whatever reasons. The 'bubble' situation is obviously not an issue as other Juve players have left. Like you said, there's no real reason why he cannot join up the squad now. It's all very strange, but it almost always is with Welsh players! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 5, 2020 16:44:04 GMT
It's frustrating. Sounds like he is following the rules but if the other Juve players aren't then what's the point?
The only way to see this where it makes sense is if Giggs has told Ramsey that he wasn't going to play him in the England game anyway & that he might as well observe the protocol & just come along for the important games
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 5, 2020 16:51:23 GMT
It's frustrating. Sounds like he is following the rules but if the other Juve players aren't then what's the point? The only way to see this where it makes sense is if Giggs has told Ramsey that he wasn't going to play him in the England game anyway & that he might as well observe the protocol & just come along for the important games This is my thought. If he was going to miss the other 2 matches we'd have been told already. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 5, 2020 16:54:30 GMT
Exactly that. Glad of it to be honest, sit out the pointless friendly then play 90 mins against ROI and Bulgaria.
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Post by insertname on Oct 5, 2020 17:17:27 GMT
What did I bloody say! Absolutely laughable!! Can Ramsey just retire now and spare us all this nonsense each time. To paraphrase Mario Balotelli’s T-shirt: “why always him?” |
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 17:25:09 GMT
It's frustrating. Sounds like he is following the rules but if the other Juve players aren't then what's the point? The only way to see this where it makes sense is if Giggs has told Ramsey that he wasn't going to play him in the England game anyway & that he might as well observe the protocol & just come along for the important games This is my thought. If he was going to miss the other 2 matches we'd have been told already. No we wouldn't have. It's happened before a few times, mainly with Bale. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 5, 2020 18:07:08 GMT
It's frustrating. Sounds like he is following the rules but if the other Juve players aren't then what's the point? The only way to see this where it makes sense is if Giggs has told Ramsey that he wasn't going to play him in the England game anyway & that he might as well observe the protocol & just come along for the important games This is my thought. If he was going to miss the other 2 matches we'd have been told already. Same. Aaron will come good!
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Post by iot on Oct 5, 2020 20:52:36 GMT
Well I'm certainly not going to defend that. Clearly with other players joining up with their national teams, ramsey did have a say in this. Even if the Welsh set up thought it best for him to join, you'd think given the amount of Welsh games he's missed in recent years he'd be determined to join. I don't understand it because it's clear he's an extremely proud Welshman and loves representing Wales. Really disappointing |
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Post by manulike on Oct 5, 2020 22:11:11 GMT
"The Football Association of Wales is "hopeful" that Ramsey will be available for the following Nations League games away to the Republic of Ireland in Dublin on Sunday and Bulgaria in Sofia on Wednesday, 14 October."
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Post by dai on Oct 5, 2020 22:17:58 GMT
"The Football Association of Wales is "hopeful" that Ramsey will be available for the following Nations League games away to the Republic of Ireland in Dublin on Sunday and Bulgaria in Sofia on Wednesday, 14 October." Look's like Dai's prediction is coming true. Where's that quote from? I hope someone has enough balls to call Giggs\FAW out on this during the next press conference. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 6, 2020 10:59:18 GMT
"The Football Association of Wales is "hopeful" that Ramsey will be available for the following Nations League games away to the Republic of Ireland in Dublin on Sunday and Bulgaria in Sofia on Wednesday, 14 October." Look's like Dai's prediction is coming true. Where's that quote from? I hope someone has enough balls to call Giggs\FAW out on this during the next press conference. Is it purely Giggs and the FAW to blame here? Can you imagine telling Bale he had to stay with Real Madrid and quarantine when Ronaldo was buggering off to play for Portugal? Look at Ramsey’s appearance record for Wales, it’s diabolical. Sooner or later you have to question how much the player himself wants to go an extra mile to represent Wales. If Bale can still yearn for international success after reaching the pinnacle of the domestic game then everyone else can too. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 6, 2020 11:12:43 GMT
I can understand him missing the England game, although to be honest I think he'd have been fit enough to start all three given that didn't play on the weekend, but getting him over as soon as possible had to be the best thing for the team, and we should be making decisions that are the best for the team.
There was no need to be 'prudent', given that players are tested all the time for COVID, if Ramsey's testing negative then there's no reason he can't play, and there's no reason he can't leave the bubble. If six players have left, then it should have been seven.
I hope Giggs gets asked this in his press conference, we need more detail as to why this decisions been made, and who is making this decision. Is it the player, is it the FAW, is it the manager, is it Juventus? Why do they think it wouldn't have been beneficial for him to have trained with Wales this week?
As six players have left, and will begin to play for their countries from tomorrow, there's no excuse as to why he can't be in Dublin ready to play in a game that could have a huge impact on whether or not we're going to Qatar in 2022. Winning our group, and effectively guaranteeing a top two finish in our qualifying group would be massive, and we need our best players there to do it.
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 11:51:37 GMT
Look's like Dai's prediction is coming true. Where's that quote from? I hope someone has enough balls to call Giggs\FAW out on this during the next press conference. Is it purely Giggs and the FAW to blame here? Can you imagine telling Bale he had to stay with Real Madrid and quarantine when Ronaldo was buggering off to play for Portugal? Look at Ramsey’s appearance record for Wales, it’s diabolical. Sooner or later you have to question how much the player himself wants to go an extra mile to represent Wales. If Bale can still yearn for international success after reaching the pinnacle of the domestic game then everyone else can too. No. I sort of agree, however some people are getting very defensive of Ramsey at the moment, so I'm trying to look at it from a different angle, not just lay blame on Ramsey. Friendly or not, this is England at the end of the day, our old foe and a top seed. And despite my dislike of rugby, I cannot imagine any WRU player missing out on such a clash. It's also worth remembering that Ramsey was fit and well prior to the previous Nations League double header. I know we are in unprecedented times, however you don't see other countries having these issues. If this was a fan attended game, under normal circumstances, I'd be furious travelling up to Wembley knowing that our fittest best player is not playing for dubious reasons. |
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Post by hal on Oct 6, 2020 11:58:01 GMT
I agree with above posters. It’s very difficult to understand and really does question Ramsey’s commitment levels. I remember during the last round of games he posted that he wasn’t coming and that he was “gutted not to meet up with the boys”, strange one if you really aren’t committed why say it?
Does anyone know when the press conference is? Today or tomorrow? I’m sure it will be one of the first questions asked.
If he doesn’t actually turn up then I think he needs to face the criticism from the media and fans, when 6 other Juventus players (I am sure there will be more) have left the “bubble” and he’s chosen to stay there.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 6, 2020 11:58:17 GMT
Not sure how long it takes them to do tests and get results back, but I can forgive if being cautious meant the turnaround to train and then play against England was too short & wasn't worth the risk of infecting the rest of our squad whilst waiting for test results - especially if Giggs wasn't planning on using him. However, it troubles me a bit that the FAW have said they are 'hopeful' Ramsey can make the competitive games. To me the only way he wouldn't be able to play is if he tests positive for covid. If we're just being 'hopeful' that he hasn't caught the virus then the solution is simple. Test him & if negative he plays. If he tests positive he can't play. The bubble is irrelevant. Agree FAW just need to give clarity around what is going on because at present him not turning up but the other 6 already joining up with their countries is a bad look
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Post by TheWelshWay on Oct 6, 2020 12:04:23 GMT
i guess the 'hopeful' could be as you say - he could get injured in training or get Covid in the next few days. If they say they 'expect him to be in the squad for RoI' i'd feel better about it as i don't think he should be too involved in the England game anyway.
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