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Post by welwyn on Oct 6, 2020 14:00:38 GMT
While the above 6 have left, Ramsey is not the only Juve player to have had to pull out of international duty. Rabiot is missing for France for example and his place in the French team is nowhere near secure so I would fancy he would want to turn up.
I think it suggests that the FAW and the FFA are taking this more sensibly than the South American associations, Turkish and Portuguese.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 6, 2020 14:49:23 GMT
It all seems very odd, surely the Italian FA will be keen to resolve this, with Chiellini as their captain and them having two nations league games coming up. I don't see why Ramsey can't get covid tested and then join us? I think the Italian FA is more keen to keep their competition active rather than have an individual available for, from their perspective, a few glorified friendlies. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 6, 2020 14:59:49 GMT
Beginning to mirror his International manager.
Hope he joins up for the the nations league matches.
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 15:25:33 GMT
How many training sessions will there be between England and Ireland? I would've thought that in preparation for Ireland and Bulgaria it would have made more sense to have Ramsey back now for training. This is why I'm drawing to a conclusion that he's probably going to be out for all three.
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Post by jackanapes on Oct 6, 2020 15:59:21 GMT
I'm not too worried about this. Not so long ago people were writing Ramsey off saying he was unwanted at Juve. He's now finally fit and back in favour. I'd rather he stayed fit and got a good run in the Juve side than he came here and risked being quarantined on his return to Italy.
Our focus should be on getting everyone firing for next summer. We have a good chance to give the youngsters more games together and let them mature. They didn't let us down last time.
People often moan that modern players are primadonnas and drama queens but they've got nothing on the modern football fan. Calm down and enjoy the ride lads.
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Post by manulike on Oct 6, 2020 18:43:07 GMT
Life in quarantine in the Turin bubble ...  |
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Post by insertname on Oct 6, 2020 18:50:32 GMT
Is it purely Giggs and the FAW to blame here? Can you imagine telling Bale he had to stay with Real Madrid and quarantine when Ronaldo was buggering off to play for Portugal? Look at Ramsey’s appearance record for Wales, it’s diabolical. Sooner or later you have to question how much the player himself wants to go an extra mile to represent Wales. If Bale can still yearn for international success after reaching the pinnacle of the domestic game then everyone else can too. No. I sort of agree, however some people are getting very defensive of Ramsey at the moment, so I'm trying to look at it from a different angle, not just lay blame on Ramsey. Friendly or not, this is England at the end of the day, our old foe and a top seed. And despite my dislike of rugby, I cannot imagine any WRU player missing out on such a clash. It's also worth remembering that Ramsey was fit and well prior to the previous Nations League double header. I know we are in unprecedented times, however you don't see other countries having these issues. If this was a fan attended game, under normal circumstances, I'd be furious travelling up to Wembley knowing that our fittest best player is not playing for dubious reasons. All I can say is imagine this was Dummett, there’d be very little goodwill compared to the good will Ramsey always seems to get for someone with such a poor turn out record. Some of that was obviously injury related but as you say he’s certainly had his fair share of drop outs despite playing either directly before or after the international window and now it’s topped off with some mysterious covid restriction that someone like Ronaldo (who seems to love international football as much as Bale) isn’t going to let stop him. I’m going to say it: I don’t think Wales is as high on Ramsey’s list of priorities as it should be. Perhaps it’s a factor of him having no place to fight for? As long as he turns up for the euros he’s guaranteed to start so why put himself out now when covid gives a great excuse to sack it off, especially with the volume of games coming up. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 6, 2020 18:51:51 GMT
It all seems very odd, surely the Italian FA will be keen to resolve this, with Chiellini as their captain and them having two nations league games coming up. I don't see why Ramsey can't get covid tested and then join us? I think the Italian FA is more keen to keep their competition active rather than have an individual available for, from their perspective, a few glorified friendlies. That’s fair but as soon as you start allowing exceptions it opens a whole can of worms. If the whole squad was forced to remain then that’s a much better ‘look’ for Ramsey. As it is how was Ronaldo allowed to leave? And if he can go, why can’t Ramsey? |
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Post by iot on Oct 6, 2020 18:52:16 GMT
No. I sort of agree, however some people are getting very defensive of Ramsey at the moment, so I'm trying to look at it from a different angle, not just lay blame on Ramsey. Friendly or not, this is England at the end of the day, our old foe and a top seed. And despite my dislike of rugby, I cannot imagine any WRU player missing out on such a clash. It's also worth remembering that Ramsey was fit and well prior to the previous Nations League double header. I know we are in unprecedented times, however you don't see other countries having these issues. If this was a fan attended game, under normal circumstances, I'd be furious travelling up to Wembley knowing that our fittest best player is not playing for dubious reasons. All I can say is imagine this was Dummett, there’d be very little goodwill compared to the good will Ramsey always seems to get for someone with such a poor turn out record. Some of that was obviously injury related but as you say he’s certainly had his fair share of drop outs despite playing either directly before or after the international window and now it’s topped off with some mysterious covid restriction that someone like Ronaldo (who seems to love international football as much as Bale) isn’t going to let stop him. I’m going to say it: I don’t think Wales is as high on Ramsey’s list of priorities as it should be. Perhaps it’s a factor of him having no place to fight for? As long as he turns up for the euros he’s guaranteed to start so why put himself out now when covid gives a great excuse to sack it off, especially with the volume of games coming up. fake news |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 6, 2020 18:53:42 GMT
I think the Italian FA is more keen to keep their competition active rather than have an individual available for, from their perspective, a few glorified friendlies. That’s fair but as soon as you start allowing exceptions it opens a whole can of worms. How was Ronaldo allowed to leave? And if he can go, why can’t Ramsey? Like others have said, the FAW could be playing it safe. Or, Ramsey would rather stay in Turin than freeze his bollocks off in an empty Wembley. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 6, 2020 19:27:46 GMT
Was there a press conference? Any questions answered?
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Post by manulike on Oct 6, 2020 19:33:23 GMT
Was there a press conference? Any questions answered? From what I read on Twitter, there were Zoom conversations today with Ethan, Meps and Ben. No mention of Rambo, as far as I can see.
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 19:37:37 GMT
Was there a press conference? Any questions answered? Apparently y stori yw: Giggs rang Ramsey to ask if he was all clear to come back for the England match. Ramsey said, 'when was the last time you played a friendly Mr Giggs?' Giggs said, 'fair enough'. Then Ramsey replied, 'see you in Ireland'. Line goes dead. |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 19:51:40 GMT
How many training sessions will there be between England and Ireland? I would've thought that in preparation for Ireland and Bulgaria it would have made more sense to have Ramsey back now for training. This is why I'm drawing to a conclusion that he's probably going to be out for all three. Friday is recovery and travel day, Training session Sat morning |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 19:52:16 GMT
Was there a press conference? Any questions answered? Manager press conference is tomorrow, around lunchtime |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 19:53:19 GMT
Was there a press conference? Any questions answered? From what I read on Twitter, there were Zoom conversations today with Ethan, Meps and Ben. No mention of Rambo, as far as I can see.
Today was the normal player media sessions/interviews - online in Covid times of course |
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Post by manulike on Oct 6, 2020 19:57:05 GMT
From what I read on Twitter, there were Zoom conversations today with Ethan, Meps and Ben. No mention of Rambo, as far as I can see.
Today was the normal player media sessions/interviews - online in Covid times of course any links to those interviews, please? |
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 20:02:17 GMT
How many training sessions will there be between England and Ireland? I would've thought that in preparation for Ireland and Bulgaria it would have made more sense to have Ramsey back now for training. This is why I'm drawing to a conclusion that he's probably going to be out for all three. Friday is recovery and travel day, Training session Sat morning Thanks for this, one training session doesn't seem like much considering the situation with Ramsey. Surely you know the score?! |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 20:10:05 GMT
been told, arrive at ROI base mid to late afternoon Friday, so unlikely to have a session late on Friday. so its only leaves the usual morning session on Saturday,
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 20:12:12 GMT
Today was the normal player media sessions/interviews - online in Covid times of course any links to those interviews, please? usual sources i would guess , BBC , Sgorio etc, not had a looked tbh
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 20:13:20 GMT
been told, arrive at ROI base mid to late afternoon Friday, so unlikely to have a session late on Friday. so its only leaves the usual morning session on Saturday, All seems a bit odd don't you think? |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 6, 2020 20:16:40 GMT
Not odd at all, it's the usual prep between matches for the senior squad. Squad logistics are in place well before the squad meet up
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Post by barneycat1 on Oct 6, 2020 20:22:06 GMT
He should be told to turn up for the Ireland game. End of.
See what his commitment is to his country.
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Post by dai on Oct 6, 2020 21:10:42 GMT
Not odd at all, it's the usual prep between matches for the senior squad. Squad logistics are in place well before the squad meet up No I meant a bit odd as to why he hasn't met up same time as everyone else. |
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Post by texan on Oct 7, 2020 11:53:52 GMT
Ryan Giggs this lunchtime:
Ryan Giggs says Aaron Ramsey should join up with Wales ahead of their Nations League games against Republic of Ireland and Bulgaria.
"Aaron followed the protocol. We have gone along with that," Giggs said.
"But we expect him to be available for Sunday and Wednesday. We are just finalising when he can come over. It's probably going to be the Thursday."
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2020 11:58:24 GMT
Ryan Giggs this lunchtime: Ryan Giggs says Aaron Ramsey should join up with Wales ahead of their Nations League games against Republic of Ireland and Bulgaria.
"Aaron followed the protocol. We have gone along with that," Giggs said.
"But we expect him to be available for Sunday and Wednesday. We are just finalising when he can come over. It's probably going to be the Thursday."'Should', 'expect' and 'probably' are not exactly positive words. I may be completely wrong come the weekend, but this smacks of the usual nonsense before players eventually are made unavailable. Did he address why Ramsey cannot join up yet Ronaldo was pictured training with Portugal yesterday? |
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Post by texan on Oct 7, 2020 12:02:47 GMT
'Should', 'expect' and 'probably' are not exactly positive words. I may be completely wrong come the weekend, but this smacks of the usual nonsense before players eventually are made unavailable. Did he address why Ramsey cannot join up yet Ronaldo was pictured training with Portugal yesterday? No idea, that was just the take from the live txt updates on the Beeb site following a Zoom call conference. Whether the video feed is released later with questions included I couldn't say. |
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Post by hal on Oct 7, 2020 12:21:09 GMT
If no journalist asked that question then I very much imagine they were told not to mention it.
It’s such a joke that this is happening. It can’t be one rule for one player and a different rule for another.
If we play Ireland and Bulgaria without Rambo this is really embarrassing for both FAW and Ramsey.
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Post by llandaaf on Oct 7, 2020 12:22:19 GMT
www.lastampa.it/sport/calcio/2020/10/07/news/covid-segnalati-dalla-asl-sette-giocatori-della-juve-1.39391231Italian media saying that Turin health authorities have reported players which left isolation early to join up with their national teams to the local public prosecutor. So perhaps the FAW (and the French association) have just been a bit more cautious. Apparently it was the club who notified the health authorities. The player who haven't yet traveled to join up with their national teams will be getting a second test today or tomorrow.
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Post by iot on Oct 7, 2020 12:27:37 GMT
www.lastampa.it/sport/calcio/2020/10/07/news/covid-segnalati-dalla-asl-sette-giocatori-della-juve-1.39391231Italian media saying that Turin health authorities have reported players which left isolation early to join up with their national teams to the local public prosecutor. So perhaps the FAW (and the French association) have just been a bit more cautious. Apparently it was the club who notified the health authorities. The player who haven't yet traveled to join up with their national teams will be getting a second test today or tomorrow. Interesting. There's too many unknowns about this story before we make a judgement. All we know is that the players were instructed to stay within the Juve bubble and not to leave without the permission of the local health authority. Most have done that, but a few have not. We don't know in what circumstances those players left - whether any sort of permission was given. We don't know whether Ramsey stayed from his own choice or if it was FAW's decision. Hopefully time will tell |
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