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Post by abwales on Apr 18, 2012 12:54:29 GMT
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Post by tintedaudio on Apr 18, 2012 14:18:53 GMT
Modric just oozes quality, his control, his movement, his passing and most other aspects of his game are all in a different league to Ramsey ---------- Total bollocks. Forget goal tallys. Check appearnces and league position and general performances. I've watched a lot of Spurs this season and Modric has been fairly average. I don't think things like league position, or as you previously stated how far they got in the champions league should be mentioned when analysing the performance of one player. There's 11 players in a team in a squad of 22 and therefore there are too many other variables present to use this as a measure the performance of an individual. You just have to go on how they perform individually in each game. I mean, Swansea are much further down the table than Arsenal, but does that automatically mean Ramsey is playing better than Joe Allen? I think a few people would disagree with this. If you think Ramsey has been playing well when you've seen him play though, fair enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 15:38:28 GMT
Against Wigan he had a great chance to revive his season - coming on after 8 minutes at 0-2 down - but it just didn't happen (again).
He just looks like a player who is short on confidence and seems to have lost that aura from within the squad that he had pre-injury - I don't think the miss against Man City helped either.
The one difference pre and post injury I think is that Ramsey does not tackle anywhere near as aggressively or try to win the ball back as forcefully as before and this has had a knock on effect on the rest of his game.
Saying that, he is just not getting the breaks at the moment - his movement is still good -
I would like to see the pass completion stats for the Wigan game - Oxlade Chamberlain lost the ball every time he had it when he came on with 20 mins to go yet everyone raves about him - others were profligate yet Ramsey hardly game the ball away all game - but he was probably too conservative with his distribution.
For Arsenal the fans criticise his technical ability saying he twists and turns too much and takes the momentum out of the attacks. For Wales under 21 and latterly Wales he does this and this often creates the tempo and fluidity.
Hopefully Arsenal fans will eat humble pie soon enough and they will all be saying how it was only a matter of time blah, blah,
He needs Wenger to be patient - hopefully he will tell team gb to take a hike and come back for the wcqs in september and october rip-roaring.
ps. I think Modric is overrated.
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Post by llannerch on Apr 18, 2012 19:57:25 GMT
Against Wigan he had a great chance to revive his season - coming on after 8 minutes at 0-2 down - but it just didn't happen (again). Five Live commentary team said Ramsey was impressive vs Wigan. Opinions, opinions.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2012 22:41:30 GMT
Against Wigan he had a great chance to revive his season - coming on after 8 minutes at 0-2 down - but it just didn't happen (again). Five Live commentary team said Ramsey was impressive vs Wigan. Opinions, opinions.... I had money on Wigan, so I was actually relieved when Ramsey came on! I had even forgotten he was on the pitch by the second half, totally anonymous. To be fair though I could say the same about a few Arsenal players that night. Hes obviously still got something about him as that performance against England proves so its perhaps too early to say he lost ability since the injury. I suspect he will get another season at Arsenal although the constant references to Eduardo are worrying as Eduardo didn't last long after he came back and didn't seem the same player. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 10:43:44 GMT
Five Live commentary team said Ramsey was impressive vs Wigan. Opinions, opinions.... I had money on Wigan, so I was actually relieved when Ramsey came on! I had even forgotten he was on the pitch by the second half, totally anonymous. To be fair though I could say the same about a few Arsenal players that night. Hes obviously still got something about him as that performance against England proves so its perhaps too early to say he lost ability since the injury. I suspect he will get another season at Arsenal although the constant references to Eduardo are worrying as Eduardo didn't last long after he came back and didn't seem the same player. Agreed with all that! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 11:03:36 GMT
I had money on Wigan, so I was actually relieved when Ramsey came on! I had even forgotten he was on the pitch by the second half, totally anonymous. I find this an odd thing to say about what was potentially a welsh 'once in a generation' worldy of a player crippled by an appalling injury. I watch Ramsey's post injury development really closely as I believe his form is absolutely crucial to us potentially qualifying for a major tournament. I would never be 'relieved' that Ramsey came on - with the inference is that he is not good enough - just so I could make a quick few quid on Wigan Althletic. By the way Storm, Laurie Sanchez was sacked by Barnet last week after a string of poor results, but I doubt you had a few quid on that.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2012 12:41:30 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Apr 19, 2012 15:21:00 GMT
By the way Storm, Laurie Sanchez was sacked by Barnet last week after a string of poor results, but I doubt you had a few quid on that. *Snigger* ;D |
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Post by abwales on Apr 19, 2012 16:24:52 GMT
Looks like he'll be starting the last few games for Arsenal then! I'd rather he didn't. I can't see him playing any better till next season, and there's big potential for Arsenal to fail majorly and not qualify for the champions league and he'll face the brunt of the hate from Arsenal fans should they not qualify, which would be bad news for him.
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Post by alarch on Apr 20, 2012 10:36:57 GMT
I can't see any logical reason why Ramsey won't come good again. His leg break is irrelevant. It might have been had pace been an important aspect of his game (as it was for Eduardo) - but he's always been a bit of a "loper". I don't think tackling was a strong suite of his either - and in fact tackling is a hugely over-rated virtue anyway. You only have to look at what Allen and Britton have achieved at Swansea to see that you can be lightweight physically and still be very effective at winning possession for the team. This is achieved by closing down, forcing hurried inaccurate passes, or by nipping the ball of the toes of opponents. This is something that both players have excelled at this season. There is no reason why Ramsey can't do a similar thing for Arsenal.
I saw the highlights of that Wigan match - and yes, he was conservative in his play (probably by instruction as by individual choice) - but his touch and weight of passing was as silky as ever. Put it like this, if every Wenger thinks Ramsey needs a season's loan - I'd have him at Swansea any day.
The views of Arsenal fans just goes to show how out-of-touch and uncultured the fans of British clubs are - even ones who support a club that have been playing possession football for years. An incident from a game last season springs to mind, where Swansea lost at Burnley. During one passage of play Burnley got the ball near the Swansea box - but owing to the pressure of the Swansea defensive setup Burnley passed the ball all the way back to their goalie, before building again. Response from the Turf Moor faithful? A chorus of boos. When Swansea do this (pretty regularly) there is no crowd reaction - because the Swansea support get what the team is trying to do. Another thing that makes me smile is the crowd reaction when a defender makes a last ditch sliding tackle to put the ball in touch. Although I can understand the visceral appeal of such a challenge, the fact of the matter is that the end-product is lost possession - hardly meriting applause. In short, tackling is for losers - as it is a sign of failure to defend properly and is an act of desperation (James Collins is a perfect example of a player who likes to tackle - which goes a long way to explain his limitations).
Players like Ramsey and Allen for that matter challenge tired old British predjudices, and I for one have every confidence that Ramsey will prove the sceptics wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 10:42:03 GMT
I can't see any logical reason why Ramsey won't come good again. His leg break is irrelevant. It might have been had pace been an important aspect of his game (as it was for Eduardo) - but he's always been a bit of a "loper". I don't think tackling was a strong suite of his either - and in fact tackling is a hugely over-rated virtue anyway. You only have to look at what Allen and Britton have achieved at Swansea to see that you can be lightweight physically and still be very effective at winning possession for the team. This is achieved by closing down, forcing hurried inaccurate passes, or by nipping the ball of the toes of opponents. This is something that both players have excelled at this season. There is no reason why Ramsey can't do a similar thing for Arsenal. I saw the highlights of that Wigan match - and yes, he was conservative in his play (probably by instruction as by individual choice) - but his touch and weight of passing was as silky as ever. Put it like this, if every Wenger thinks Ramsey needs a season's loan - I'd have him at Swansea any day. The views of Arsenal fans just goes to show how out-of-touch and uncultured the fans of British clubs are - even ones who support a club that have been playing possession football for years. An incident from a game last season springs to mind, where Swansea lost at Burnley. During one passage of play Burnley got the ball near the Swansea box - but owing to the pressure of the Swansea defensive setup Burnley passed the ball all the way back to their goalie, before building again. Response from the Turf Moor faithful? A chorus of boos. When Swansea do this (pretty regularly) there is no crowd reaction - because the Swansea support get what the team is trying to do. Another thing that makes me smile is the crowd reaction when a defender makes a last ditch sliding tackle to put the ball in touch. Although I can understand the visceral appeal of such a challenge, the fact of the matter is that the end-product is lost possession - hardly meriting applause. In short, tackling is for losers - as it is a sign of failure to defend properly and is an act of desperation (James Collins is a perfect example of a player who likes to tackle - which goes a long way to explain his limitations). Players like Ramsey and Allen for that matter challenge tired old British predjudices, and I for one have every confidence that Ramsey will prove the sceptics wrong. Good post alarch - think Ramsey just needs a few goals, a couple a screamers would be nice. |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Apr 21, 2012 12:37:32 GMT
Ramsey struggling again doesnt look sharp to me
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Post by alarch on Apr 21, 2012 19:08:22 GMT
He may not be at his most confident at the moment, but he will definitely come good, I am 100% certain of that. Sinclair has lost a lot of confidence for Swansea this season, owing to some early misses - and many Swansea fans have been spouting drivel about him not being up to it. Today, he scored an absolute blinder. Why? Because he's a class act, and class acts always come good in the end. Ditto Ramsey.
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Post by morg on Apr 25, 2012 17:50:35 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 25, 2012 18:34:20 GMT
Nice to read that article. And this comment from an Arsenal fan underneath:
Ramsey is rated highly by most Arsenal supporters. Unfortunately during our successful years a few years ago, we acquired some new supporters, who do not back the team. they boo our own players and always are critical of our great manager.
They obviously play Football Manager, so they list the top ten players in the world, we should buy for billions of pounds! There knowledge of the game is extremely limited, they do not understand that not winning the league for seven years is not a great deal of time. when you consider Spurs have waited over fifty years, Man utd until the recent success waited twenty five years, Liverpool who are the second most successful team in England have not won the league in over twenty years. Most of these supporters run there own blogs like the Grove,which is full of expletives,that's the editor, and you have to have a very low IQ. to participate.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Apr 28, 2012 23:11:25 GMT
Disgusting treatment of Rambo today by Stoke fans at the Britannia. Booed throughout the game. Got a mention on MOTD too.
This has got to be the dullest set of fans in the history of football. Boo a player who was snapped in half by one of their own players, honestly can't get my head around it!!? I felt pure rage watching the highlights earlier. I'm now even more anti Stoke than ever. What a bunch of cunts!!
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Post by llannerch on Apr 29, 2012 14:37:56 GMT
I find the booing of Anton Ferdinand by Chelsea fans today even more repulsive
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Post by Tim P on Apr 29, 2012 16:25:52 GMT
I find the booing of Anton Ferdinand by Chelsea fans today even more repulsive Just typical 'sky sports generation' moron fans, at their worst. |
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 29, 2012 19:12:45 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 30, 2012 11:56:57 GMT
Arsenal are currently in 3rd place, with two games to go. they are games I expect them to win- home to Norwich and away to Woy-less West Brom. So barring a disaster I expect Arsenal to finish higher this season than they did last season, and that was with Fabregas and cockerny boy wonder Wilshere in the team! And I know people think the standard has gone down at the top end of the EPL, but it's worth pointing out that Arsenal should finish higher than champions league finalists Chelsea, and a a Tottenham team many were tipping to actually win the title earlier in the season. Arsenal also reached the last 16 of the champions league, which is better than the 2 Manchester clubs did in Europe this season. Aaron Ramsey has played over 40 games for the gunners this season. This distorted view that he's been poor feels way off the mark when you look at the actual results of the team he's played so many games for.
'A good player is one who helps you win. Everything else is irrelevant' - Arson Wenger.
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Post by abwales on Apr 30, 2012 17:18:34 GMT
I agree with the Arsene Wenger quote, but Ramsey isn't just a 'good player' he's a great one. He hasn't helped them as much as he should with the quality he once had. He's looked absolutely knackered ever since October/November which is around the time he started playing badly. The team results argument means nothing, its all about his performances, which have been mediocre.
As far as Stoke go, they've now jumped up to 2nd on my most hated list, just below England, I hope they go bust.
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Post by tintedaudio on Apr 30, 2012 17:38:56 GMT
The team results argument means nothing, its all about his performances, which have been mediocre. Agreed the team results argument in weak, I use my eyes to watch games and see how players play, using the success of 25 man squad to analyse the performance of a single player is backward |
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 30, 2012 22:15:41 GMT
abwales, you say: I agree with the Arsene Wenger quote...
....but then go on to say: The team results argument means nothing.
completely contradicting yourself.
Aaron Ramsey has played 42 times so far for the team currently 3rd in the premier league with two games to go, and who easily reached the round of 16 in the champions league.
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Post by abwales on Apr 30, 2012 23:00:08 GMT
He hasn't contributed enough to a winning team he's been that bad this season, so I haven't contradicted myself, just look at his assists/goals since October! He's been terrible, just accept it, and cross your fingers like the rest of us that he'll be back.
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Post by flynnfan on Apr 30, 2012 23:06:34 GMT
And Luka Modric's goals/assists tally since October is proof he's one of the best players in the world is it?
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Post by idiot on May 1, 2012 1:45:46 GMT
And Luka Modric's goals/assists tally since October is proof he's one of the best players in the world is it? i do see your point but you cant tell me ramsay's had a good season,he's been in and out,he's had good moments and bad ones , this wont go down as a vintage season for him,hopefully he will take a good long break this summer,avoid team gb and come back strong,refreshed and raring to go next season i dont want to compare players but spurs should have sold modric for 20+million when they had the chance..he,like ramsay blows hot and cold,no sensible club would pay 20million odd on modric on this seasons showing,ramsay in time could easily become a better player than modric |
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Post by flynnfan on May 1, 2012 11:13:46 GMT
'he's been in and out'
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He's played 42 times for Arsenal this season
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'he's had good moments and bad ones'
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Agreed. But so has Silva, so has Rooney, so has everyone...
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'this wont go down as a vintage season for him'
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True, but that doesn't mean it's been a terrible season either.
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'hopefully he will take a good long break this summer,avoid team gb and come back strong,refreshed and raring to go next season'
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Its vital that he gives the olympic bollocks a miss and rests up this summer. Hopefully Wenger will intervene.
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'i dont want to compare players but spurs should have sold modric for 20+million when they had the chance..he,like ramsay blows hot and cold,no sensible club would pay 20million odd on modric on this seasons showing,ramsay in time could easily become a better player than modric'
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Chelsea were offering over 40million last summer for Modric. Spurs should have taken it and bought Hazard, Gotze or Jovetic. And a striker like Cavani or Huntelaar.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2012 11:23:47 GMT
And Luka Modric's goals/assists tally since October is proof he's one of the best players in the world is it? i do see your point but you cant tell me ramsay's had a good season,he's been in and out,he's had good moments and bad ones , this wont go down as a vintage season for him,hopefully he will take a good long break this summer,avoid team gb and come back strong,refreshed and raring to go next season i dont want to compare players but spurs should have sold modric for 20+million when they had the chance..he,like ramsay blows hot and cold,no sensible club would pay 20million odd on modric on this seasons showing,ramsay in time could easily become a better player than modric Agreed with all that. |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 2, 2012 17:26:29 GMT
Spurs fans rave about Modric but I can't say I've ever been impressed not that I've seen him live tbf.
Watch him have the game of his life against us in the qualifiers now!
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