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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2020 8:41:07 GMT
If there was a real risk of him bringing Covid into the camp, he shouldn't be joining up full stop - whether it be this past Monday, today or the weekend. All the players had to be tested before leaving the quarantine. You can pass a coronavirus test and still have it, but Ramsey would have had them daily while in quarantine. If he'd have joined earlier, there was more chance of him bringing it into the camp. But the incubation period CAN be anything from between a few days up to a maxium of two weeks, so in theory, he could test positive tomorrow, or anytime over the next week! Obviously I don't know when potential exposure may have occurred, if at all. |
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Post by superunknown on Oct 8, 2020 8:42:36 GMT
Why give solid factual evidence of him feigning injury when you could use guesswork and conjecture instead! No one has evidence's feigning injury, you couldn't say you have evidence giggs was faking injury. he's missed a lot of games recently for wales. that's fact you cannot argue that. The burden of proof is on you to show that he is. I never said Giggs feigned injury, I don't think anyone did, he just didn't turn up so he could stay fit for United, even by his own admission he said he missed them on purpose: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/giggs-missing-wales-games-choice-2383772Yeah of course he's missed a lot of games, literally no one is disputing that but you seem to ignore the facts why he's missed them which have been provided numerous times in this thread. We're not really getting anywhere though. I'm comfortable with the fact that Ramsey turns up for Wales whenever he can and will continue to do so, you clearly think different. Enjoy the next 3 games, we've even got Ramsey for 2 of them  |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 8:48:42 GMT
No one has evidence's feigning injury, you couldn't say you have evidence giggs was faking injury. he's missed a lot of games recently for wales. that's fact you cannot argue that. The burden of proof is on you to show that he is. I never said Giggs feigned injury, I don't think anyone did, he just didn't turn up so he could stay fit for United, even by his own admission he said he missed them on purpose: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/giggs-missing-wales-games-choice-2383772Yeah of course he's missed a lot of games, literally no one is disputing that but you seem to ignore the facts why he's missed them which have been provided numerous times in this thread. We're not really getting anywhere though. I'm comfortable with the fact that Ramsey turns up for Wales whenever he can and will continue to do so, you clearly think different. Enjoy the next 3 games, we've even got Ramsey for 2 of them 2019 Aaron Ramsey has pulled out of Wales' squad for their Euro 2020 qualifiers against Azerbaijan and Belarus next month. The 28-year-old has been recovering from a hamstring injury sustained while playing for Arsenal in April and missed his new side Juventus' Serie A opener against Parma on Saturday. He played 20 minutes of the Bianconeri's pre-season friendly against Triestina on 17 August but will stay in Italy to work on his recovery rather than team up with Ryan Giggs' squad |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 8, 2020 8:49:41 GMT
No one has evidence's feigning injury, you couldn't say you have evidence giggs was faking injury. he's missed a lot of games recently for wales. that's fact you cannot argue that. You don't need proof he feigned injury, you just need to name some international breaks which you think are suspect. So far the evidence against him includes when his wife was in labour, when we sent him home because we didn't intent him to play against Panama, and several instances where he was clearly injured. It's an absolutely mental argument isn't it? Those digging into Ramsey here are basically suggesting he should miss the births of his children or play through injuries for us. Just look at his appearance record for his clubs compared to other players mentioned in here. He has been a regular starter since the age of 18 and earned a bunch of first team appearances from the age of 16, and since the age of 19 he has struggled after that freak tackle from Ryan Shawcross. Despite that he has only amassed 315 league appearances in a 13 year career. Are we about to start questioning his commitment to his clubs now? Bale had managed more league appearances in that time despite struggling at the start of his Tottenham career and towards the end of his Real Madrid career and Sam Vokes has managed over 100 more appearances in the league despite having a few seasons at Wolves where he barely played. Oh, and if we're digging into Aaron Ramsey because of the caps he has amassed for us (which places him 20th on the list of all time appearance makers, the cheek of it!) let's throw Joe Allen onto the shit heap as well. Allen has played 56 times for us and only made his debut for Wales a year later. What an uncommitted arsehole, right njdragon ? |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 8, 2020 8:53:12 GMT
The burden of proof is on you to show that he is. I never said Giggs feigned injury, I don't think anyone did, he just didn't turn up so he could stay fit for United, even by his own admission he said he missed them on purpose: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/giggs-missing-wales-games-choice-2383772Yeah of course he's missed a lot of games, literally no one is disputing that but you seem to ignore the facts why he's missed them which have been provided numerous times in this thread. We're not really getting anywhere though. I'm comfortable with the fact that Ramsey turns up for Wales whenever he can and will continue to do so, you clearly think different. Enjoy the next 3 games, we've even got Ramsey for 2 of them 2019 Aaron Ramsey has pulled out of Wales' squad for their Euro 2020 qualifiers against Azerbaijan and Belarus next month. The 28-year-old has been recovering from a hamstring injury sustained while playing for Arsenal in April and missed his new side Juventus' Serie A opener against Parma on Saturday. He played 20 minutes of the Bianconeri's pre-season friendly against Triestina on 17 August but will stay in Italy to work on his recovery rather than team up with Ryan Giggs' squad Missed both of JUve's league games before the break, unused sub after the break. I get you guys are upset that one of our greats is so injury prone, I am too. But this is not evidence. |
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Post by foxmulder on Oct 8, 2020 9:16:16 GMT
Euro 2016 Qualifiers : Bosnia 10th, Cyprus 13th October, played for Arsenal on the 18th
Two weeks before the break he's pulled off against Tottenham at half-time with a hamstring injury, and five days before it he's completed omitted from a fairly crucial Arsenal league game against Chelsea. Friendly : Wales v Panama - Nov 14 2017, played for Arsenal 4 days afterwards.
Played four days before this for us V France and then pulled out after Bale and 3 others did too. "A Football Association of Wales spokesman has said it was never the intention for Ramsey to play against Panama." China Cup : Didn't feature at all, last game being Uruguay 26th March, yet played for Arsenal on the 1st April. Underwent a 'minor procedure'.
Not in the squad for either of Arsenal's Premier Leagues games for the two gameweeks before this. Nations League : Ireland 0 Wales 1 - October 16 2018, played for Arsenal 22nd October
His wife was giving birth to twins. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales v Slovakia, 24 March 2019, played for Arsenal straight after the international break
Possibly a bit of a case for this one. In his defence, he joined up with the squad and then went home injured. Arsenal didn't play until 8 days after the Slovakia game and he got 60 minutes. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales vs Azerbaijan Sept 6, Belarus friendly Sept 9, five days later is in the Juve squad
Missed both of Juve's games before the break and was an unused sub after the break. Why has no one applauded this post? This is actual evidence and pretty much closes the case. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 9:27:30 GMT
Euro 2016 Qualifiers : Bosnia 10th, Cyprus 13th October, played for Arsenal on the 18th
Two weeks before the break he's pulled off against Tottenham at half-time with a hamstring injury, and five days before it he's completed omitted from a fairly crucial Arsenal league game against Chelsea. Friendly : Wales v Panama - Nov 14 2017, played for Arsenal 4 days afterwards.
Played four days before this for us V France and then pulled out after Bale and 3 others did too. "A Football Association of Wales spokesman has said it was never the intention for Ramsey to play against Panama." China Cup : Didn't feature at all, last game being Uruguay 26th March, yet played for Arsenal on the 1st April. Underwent a 'minor procedure'.
Not in the squad for either of Arsenal's Premier Leagues games for the two gameweeks before this. Nations League : Ireland 0 Wales 1 - October 16 2018, played for Arsenal 22nd October
His wife was giving birth to twins. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales v Slovakia, 24 March 2019, played for Arsenal straight after the international break
Possibly a bit of a case for this one. In his defence, he joined up with the squad and then went home injured. Arsenal didn't play until 8 days after the Slovakia game and he got 60 minutes. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales vs Azerbaijan Sept 6, Belarus friendly Sept 9, five days later is in the Juve squad
Missed both of Juve's games before the break and was an unused sub after the break. Why has no one applauded this post? This is actual evidence and pretty much closes the case. These are the games im interested in & the others he has pulled out of since 2018. China Cup : Didn't feature at all, last game being Uruguay 26th March, yet played for Arsenal on the 1st April. Nations League : Ireland 0 Wales 1 - October 16 2018, played for Arsenal 22nd October His wife was giving birth to twins. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales v Slovakia, 24 March 2019, played for Arsenal straight after the international break Arsenal didn't play until 8 days after the Slovakia game and he got 60 minutes. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales vs Azerbaijan Sept 6, Belarus friendly Sept 9, five days later is in the Juve squad unused sub after the break. ----------------- Everyone of these games he has been in contention to play for club straight after (an unused sub one game) |
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2020 9:27:36 GMT
You're getting sick of fellow supporters backing their own player? That's a bit sad isn't it? Did you back Giggs when he used to 'pull out of games'? I think we should draw the line under this now, it's clear there are people on two sides of the argument here who are not going to agree. Time to move on. “Post evidence!” they said. You did. “B-b-b you’re still a twat!” they said 😂 Just as I confidently stated earlier: people are always going to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to continue to uphold their arguments. There will always be an excuse. As you say, time to move on. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2020 9:28:26 GMT
Also, I want to point out that Ryan Giggs retired from international football and later turned out for Team GB which he rightly got a ton of stick for. I agree, but that's not really relevant to this argument. Ramsey also turned out for team GB and would probably do the same as Giggs in his situation. Good point, forgot about that |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 8, 2020 9:29:04 GMT
Did you back Giggs when he used to 'pull out of games'? I think we should draw the line under this now, it's clear there are people on two sides of the argument here who are not going to agree. Time to move on. “Post evidence!” they said. You did. “B-b-b you’re still a twat!” they said 😂 Just as I confidently stated earlier: people are always going to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to continue to uphold their arguments. There will always be an excuse. As you say, time to move on. No one said that. Calm down it’s getting silly now. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2020 9:36:14 GMT
“Post evidence!” they said. You did. “B-b-b you’re still a twat!” they said 😂 Just as I confidently stated earlier: people are always going to perform the mental gymnastics necessary to continue to uphold their arguments. There will always be an excuse. As you say, time to move on. No one said that. Calm down it’s getting silly now. The point is it’s gone from aggressive posturing such as “you’re talking bollocks, post your evidence” to evidence of missed games unexpectedly being posted to no credence being given to that evidence (as I predicted). As you say, if the evidence produced has had no material affect on the argument (which it blatantly hasn’t) then yes it’s time to move on. Some of us feel there is enough there to raise questions at the least while others will continue to find ways to believe in his total commitment. All I will say is I am very very confident that people’s objectivity on this issue is dependent on the person involved |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 8, 2020 9:38:43 GMT
Euro 2016 Qualifiers : Bosnia 10th, Cyprus 13th October, played for Arsenal on the 18th
Two weeks before the break he's pulled off against Tottenham at half-time with a hamstring injury, and five days before it he's completed omitted from a fairly crucial Arsenal league game against Chelsea. Friendly : Wales v Panama - Nov 14 2017, played for Arsenal 4 days afterwards.
Played four days before this for us V France and then pulled out after Bale and 3 others did too. "A Football Association of Wales spokesman has said it was never the intention for Ramsey to play against Panama." China Cup : Didn't feature at all, last game being Uruguay 26th March, yet played for Arsenal on the 1st April. Underwent a 'minor procedure'.
Not in the squad for either of Arsenal's Premier Leagues games for the two gameweeks before this. Nations League : Ireland 0 Wales 1 - October 16 2018, played for Arsenal 22nd October
His wife was giving birth to twins. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales v Slovakia, 24 March 2019, played for Arsenal straight after the international break
Possibly a bit of a case for this one. In his defence, he joined up with the squad and then went home injured. Arsenal didn't play until 8 days after the Slovakia game and he got 60 minutes. Euro 2020 Qualifier : Wales vs Azerbaijan Sept 6, Belarus friendly Sept 9, five days later is in the Juve squad
Missed both of Juve's games before the break and was an unused sub after the break. Good post. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 8, 2020 9:46:21 GMT
Ramsey generally doesn't play in Wales friendlies. The only friendlies since 2012 he has featured in are - Sweden away 2016 (pre Euro) France away 2017 Mexico USA 2018 Spain 2018 Albania 2018 I assume he played in USA v Mexico cause it was a summer match and he prob was up for the trip, playing at the Rose Bowl etc. Probably cause of his French mates and wanting to test himself against one of the best sides in the world he played in Paris, similar reasons to Spain in Cardiff. Didn't he miss Holland in June 2014 cause he got married? The only one I can't think of a reason why he played was Albania. I have no qualms with him missing friendlies, we know what he can do, and if it helps him try to keep fit then so be it. www.11v11.com/players/aaron-ramsey-226861/ |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 8, 2020 9:47:29 GMT
No one said that. Calm down it’s getting silly now. The point is it’s gone from aggressive posturing such as “you’re talking bollocks, post your evidence” to evidence of missed games unexpectedly being posted to no credence being given to that evidence (as I predicted). As you say, if the evidence produced has had no material affect on the argument (which it blatantly hasn’t) then yes it’s time to move on. Some of us feel there is enough there to raise questions at the least while others will continue to find ways to believe in his total commitment. All I will say is I am very very confident that people’s objectivity on this issue is dependent on the person involved So what are your, say top five, examples of him missing games which you think are suspect? Including games where his wife is in labour, we sent him home, and where he was clearly injured (as happened so far) is absurd. |
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Post by iot on Oct 8, 2020 9:54:29 GMT
No one said that. Calm down it’s getting silly now. The point is it’s gone from aggressive posturing such as “you’re talking bollocks, post your evidence” to evidence of missed games unexpectedly being posted to no credence being given to that evidence (as I predicted). As you say, if the evidence produced has had no material affect on the argument (which it blatantly hasn’t) then yes it’s time to move on. Some of us feel there is enough there to raise questions at the least while others will continue to find ways to believe in his total commitment. All I will say is I am very very confident that people’s objectivity on this issue is dependent on the person involved Wrong again. A few people have chosen to imply that arguably our best player lacks commitment to Wales by flagging up the games he has missed. Some suggested he doesn't care all that much about Wales. Others pointed out that's bollocks. He's clearly passionate about Wales - I could dig out all sorts of ways he's supported Wales beyond football (he's a massive fan of the rugby team and close to lots of the players, he's been active in promoting the Welsh language and the Urdd, he's donated large sums to Welsh trusts during the pandemic. So that is patently bollocks. Your argument that he lacks commitment is based on pure conjecture. There is firm evidence of it for a couple of other players - Giggs has openly stated that he agreed with Ferguson to no longer play in friendlies in order to manage his hamstring issues, Dummett retired at an extremely young age twice. So you were asked to provide evidence and fair play dai did show about ten games over his 14-year career where he did play for his club shortly after being unavailable for Welsh squads. But that was taken apart by impeachabull's excellent post demonstrating the valid reasons for each of those omissions. So you're now back to conjecture. You can decide whether you believe that a) a demonstrably passionate Welshman has missed out on lots of games for Wales because of the extensive injury issues he has had to deal with, or b) he's pulled out because he doesn't care that much about Wales or wants to focus on his club career. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 8, 2020 10:06:28 GMT
Ramsey generally doesn't play in Wales friendlies. The only friendlies since 2012 he has featured in are - Sweden away 2016 (pre Euro) France away 2017 Mexico USA 2018 Spain 2018 Albania 2018 I assume he played in USA v Mexico cause it was a summer match and he prob was up for the trip, playing at the Rose Bowl etc. Probably cause of his French mates and wanting to test himself against one of the best sides in the world he played in Paris, similar reasons to Spain in Cardiff. Didn't he miss Holland in June 2014 cause he got married? The only one I can't think of a reason why he played was Albania. I have no qualms with him missing friendlies, we know what he can do, and if it helps him try to keep fit then so be it. www.11v11.com/players/aaron-ramsey-226861/Aaron Ramsey's played 16/34 friendlies for Wales (47.05%), Gareth Bale's played 19/45 (42.22%) One is being seen as a committed player, and the other one is supposedly not committed at all. If you're looking at individual games that he's missed, all of them have already been explained above. I think this conversation has run it's course. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 10:15:28 GMT
Ive had a quick look but its bloody hard- since 2018
15th March Plays for Arsenal
22nd mar China – Ramsey out
26th Mar Uruguay – ramsey out
1st April – plays for Arsenal
16th oct Ireland – Ramsey out
22nd Oct – Plays for Arsenal
14th march plays for arsenal
20th March – Trinidad – ramsey out
24th march – Slovakia – ramsey out
1st April played for Arsenal
6th sept – Azerbajan – ramsey out
9th sept – Belarus – ramsey out
18th sept Played for juve
1 Oct Played for Juve
10th Oct Slovakia – Ramsey out
13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out
30th Oct – played for juve
3rd sept Finland – Ramsey out
6 Sept Bulgaria– Ramsey out
20th sept Played for Juv
27 sept Played for Juve
4th Oct – In squad for Juve Napoli
8th October England – Ramsey out
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 8, 2020 10:25:29 GMT
13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out 30th Oct – played for juve These takes are just so silly. There's 17 days between those games. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 10:39:36 GMT
13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out 30th Oct – played for juve These takes are just so silly. There's 17 days between those games. What about the other 10 games missed for us? with league games either side |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 8, 2020 10:44:23 GMT
These takes are just so silly. There's 17 days between those games. What about the other 10 games missed for us? with league games either sideName them, all ears. There's a reason for almost all of them. Only Slovakia seems a genuine argument right now. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 10:45:38 GMT
What about the other 10 games missed for us? with league games either sideName them, all ears. all above in my post... |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 10:47:14 GMT
15th March Plays for Arsenal
22nd mar China – Ramsey out
26th Mar Uruguay – ramsey out
1st April – plays for Arsenal16th oct Ireland – Ramsey out
22nd Oct – Plays for Arsenal14th march plays for arsenal
20th March – Trinidad – ramsey out
24th march – Slovakia – ramsey out
1st April played for Arsenal 6th sept – Azerbajan – ramsey out
9th sept – Belarus – ramsey out
18th sept Played for juve1 Oct Played for Juve 10th Oct Slovakia – Ramsey out 13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out 30th Oct – played for juve 3rd sept Finland – Ramsey out
6 Sept Bulgaria– Ramsey out
20th sept Played for Juv
27 sept Played for Juve4th Oct – In squad for Juve Napoli
8th October England – Ramsey out
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2020 10:52:04 GMT
The point is it’s gone from aggressive posturing such as “you’re talking bollocks, post your evidence” to evidence of missed games unexpectedly being posted to no credence being given to that evidence (as I predicted). As you say, if the evidence produced has had no material affect on the argument (which it blatantly hasn’t) then yes it’s time to move on. Some of us feel there is enough there to raise questions at the least while others will continue to find ways to believe in his total commitment. All I will say is I am very very confident that people’s objectivity on this issue is dependent on the person involved Wrong again. A few people have chosen to imply that arguably our best player lacks commitment to Wales by flagging up the games he has missed. Some suggested he doesn't care all that much about Wales. Others pointed out that's bollocks. He's clearly passionate about Wales - I could dig out all sorts of ways he's supported Wales beyond football (he's a massive fan of the rugby team and close to lots of the players, he's been active in promoting the Welsh language and the Urdd, he's donated large sums to Welsh trusts during the pandemic. So that is patently bollocks. Your argument that he lacks commitment is based on pure conjecture. There is firm evidence of it for a couple of other players - Giggs has openly stated that he agreed with Ferguson to no longer play in friendlies in order to manage his hamstring issues, Dummett retired at an extremely young age twice. So you were asked to provide evidence and fair play dai did show about ten games over his 14-year career where he did play for his club shortly after being unavailable for Welsh squads. But that was taken apart by impeachabull's excellent post demonstrating the valid reasons for each of those omissions. So you're now back to conjecture. You can decide whether you believe that a) a demonstrably passionate Welshman has missed out on lots of games for Wales because of the extensive injury issues he has had to deal with, or b) he's pulled out because he doesn't care that much about Wales or wants to focus on his club career. Why is “our best player” relevant? That’s why I question the objectivity because that shouldn’t even be a factor. The question is simply is there evidence that Ramsey has played straight after missing Wales games? Yes, there is. Impeachabull has not refuted all the examples I put forward. And the years prior to 2013 have still not researched either (as far as I am aware). But really what will/does it change? There is a lot of intransigence on both sides in this argument. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Oct 8, 2020 10:58:29 GMT
15th March Plays for Arsenal
22nd mar China – Ramsey out
26th Mar Uruguay – ramsey out
1st April – plays for Arsenal16th oct Ireland – Ramsey out
22nd Oct – Plays for Arsenal14th march plays for arsenal
20th March – Trinidad – ramsey out
24th march – Slovakia – ramsey out
1st April played for Arsenal 6th sept – Azerbajan – ramsey out
9th sept – Belarus – ramsey out
18th sept Played for juve1 Oct Played for Juve 10th Oct Slovakia – Ramsey out 13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out 30th Oct – played for juve 3rd sept Finland – Ramsey out
6 Sept Bulgaria– Ramsey out
20th sept Played for Juv
27 sept Played for Juve4th Oct – In squad for Juve Napoli
8th October England – Ramsey out Well there we go then, you've been asked to cite examples over a 12 year period, and the best you can come up with is a game he's missed for quarantine, a game he's missed for the birth of his twins, a game he played 17 days after missing Wales duty (missing two Juventus games which you've left out), a game he played 14 days after missing Wales duty and a game he played 9 days after missing Wales duty (after missing one Juventus game which you've left out). |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 11:06:00 GMT
15th March Plays for Arsenal
22nd mar China – Ramsey out
26th Mar Uruguay – ramsey out
1st April – plays for Arsenal16th oct Ireland – Ramsey out
22nd Oct – Plays for Arsenal14th march plays for arsenal
20th March – Trinidad – ramsey out
24th march – Slovakia – ramsey out
1st April played for Arsenal 6th sept – Azerbajan – ramsey out
9th sept – Belarus – ramsey out
18th sept Played for juve1 Oct Played for Juve 10th Oct Slovakia – Ramsey out 13th Oct Croatia – Ramsey out 30th Oct – played for juve 3rd sept Finland – Ramsey out
6 Sept Bulgaria– Ramsey out
20th sept Played for Juv
27 sept Played for Juve4th Oct – In squad for Juve Napoli
8th October England – Ramsey out Well there we go then, you've been asked to cite examples over a 12 year period, and the best you can come up with is a game he's missed for quarantine, a game he's missed for the birth of his twins, a game he played 17 days after missing Wales duty (missing two Juventus games which you've left out), a game he played 14 days after missing Wales duty and a game he played 9 days after missing Wales duty (after missing one Juventus game which you've left out). no as ive clearly mentioned im concerned about the games in the last 3 years where he has picked up 8 caps in 22 matches. As far as i know he's not quarantine now and you have brushed over the other games. there's 12 games in total he's missed there - i stand corrected if he's missed Juve matches straight after. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 8, 2020 11:07:45 GMT
I think impeachabull 's post closes the case - clearly he's had valid reasons for his withdrawals & no one seems to have any evidence beyond conjecture at this point As an aside I wouldn't care if Ramsey/Bale never played another friendly again. I'd rather us use these games to test the extended squad & dish out experience. There's only rare occasions like this England game or Spain or a top team where we might require using our best players in a friendly. However, can anyone honestly say that they care that we lost to Spain in that friendly a few years back? It's easy to get caught up in the moment but in the grand scheme of things friendlies are pretty meaningless I'm glad Ramsey has been confirmed for the competitive games & looking forward to seeing him play again |
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Post by underwood on Oct 8, 2020 16:20:20 GMT
Well said. That Spain game became irrelevant the moment we beat Ireland a few days later.
Whereas it would be lovely to win tonight, I would sacrifice it for merely drawing 0-0 in both games next week & if Rambo helps us achieve that then his & the FAW’s actions will have been fully justified.
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 16:40:40 GMT
no no no ramsey has not just missed friendlies but practically all the last qualifying campaign and so far this tournament
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 8, 2020 17:13:44 GMT
no no no ramsey has not just missed friendlies but practically all the last qualifying campaign and so far this tournament Yes because he's been injured |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 8, 2020 17:19:13 GMT
no no no ramsey has not just missed friendlies but practically all the last qualifying campaign and so far this tournament Yes because he's been injured read the games above where he plays before and after |
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