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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2021 15:31:33 GMT
]Life always loves throwing up talking points and Ramsey being fit for the finals despite being made of glass before hand is so nailed on you could put your house on it. Remember who told you
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Post by dai on Jun 10, 2021 16:26:49 GMT
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he didn't start, we've done quite well in his absence and you have to wonder how fit is he? Are we better keeping things tight for 45-60mins then bringing him on?
He probably WILL start, but don't be surprised if he doesn't.
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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2021 16:31:14 GMT
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he didn't start, we've done quite well in his absence and you have to wonder how fit is he? Are we better keeping things tight for 45-60mins then bringing him on? I agree, we looked much better after he went off and with Kieffer Moore on vs Albania but he will still start every game even if he had one leg. It’s not even up for debate with Rob Page It’s not a good place to be imo where there isn’t competition for certain places, that being said it’s not like it isn’t a problem that affects even the best sides with great depth, eg for all a England’s riches currently there is no way that Harry Kane wouldn’t start for England if fit.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2021 18:54:27 GMT
I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if he didn't start, we've done quite well in his absence and you have to wonder how fit is he? Are we better keeping things tight for 45-60mins then bringing him on? I agree, we looked much better after he went off and with Kieffer Moore on vs Albania but he will still start every game even if he had one leg. It’s not even up for debate with Rob Page It’s not a good place to be imo where there isn’t competition for certain places, that being said it’s not like it isn’t a problem that affects even the best sides with great depth, eg for all a England’s riches currently there is no way that Harry Kane wouldn’t start for England if fit. Disagree, I couldn't pay close attention to the game at the time, but rewatched the second half yesterday. Rambo was very good in that 20min spell in the second half, making defence splitting passes and very good on the ball. Levitt was even better than I thought at the time, man of the match for me.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2021 19:18:09 GMT
Yeah Rambo benefitted from the change of formation against Albania, he looked good before he went off in the 2nd half. I also think Rambo can work well in that role in the first half, he just needs our best players around him
I think he'll start as a F9 in a 3-4-3 with Bale & DJ
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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2021 19:54:17 GMT
I agree, we looked much better after he went off and with Kieffer Moore on vs Albania but he will still start every game even if he had one leg. It’s not even up for debate with Rob Page It’s not a good place to be imo where there isn’t competition for certain places, that being said it’s not like it isn’t a problem that affects even the best sides with great depth, eg for all a England’s riches currently there is no way that Harry Kane wouldn’t start for England if fit. Disagree, I couldn't pay close attention to the game at the time, but rewatched the second half yesterday. Rambo was very good in that 20min spell in the second half, making defence splitting passes and very good on the ball. Levitt was even better than I thought at the time, man of the match for me. At the risk of sounding like a crackpot Wales looked more cohesive as a unit without him on the pitch against Albania. It looked like the Wales that beat the Czech Republic, playing with a faster tempo and players having more space to play in because Wilson and Williams were playing between the lines as opposed to, at times, having a clutch of midfielders all on top of each other resulting in the ball being lost because there were less options further up field (side effect of the false 9?). Added to that Wales didn’t look out of place against France without him, until the sending off and the sky didn’t fall in when he didn’t make a competitive appearance for over a year either. For me the above is enough evidence to ask the question of who benefits most out of Ramsey starting? The formation undoubtedly is part of this question too, in that sense it was interesting to hear Rob Phillips, Joe Ledley and Nathan Blake all speak of their preference for having Moore on the pitch ahead of a false nine and in their opinion that it brings the best out of the team.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2021 20:19:24 GMT
Disagree, I couldn't pay close attention to the game at the time, but rewatched the second half yesterday. Rambo was very good in that 20min spell in the second half, making defence splitting passes and very good on the ball. Levitt was even better than I thought at the time, man of the match for me. At the risk of sounding like a crackpot Wales looked more cohesive as a unit without him on the pitch against Albania. It looked like the Wales that beat the Czech Republic, playing with a faster tempo and players having more space to play in because Wilson and Williams were playing between the lines as opposed to, at times, having a clutch of midfielders all on top of each other resulting in the ball being lost because there were less options further up field (side effect of the false 9?). Added to that Wales didn’t look out of place against France without him, until the sending off and the sky didn’t fall in when he didn’t make a competitive appearance for over a year either. For me the above is enough evidence to ask the question of who benefits most out of Ramsey starting? The formation undoubtedly is part of this question too, in that sense it was interesting to hear Rob Phillips, Joe Ledley and Nathan Blake all speak of their preference for having Moore on the pitch ahead of a false nine and in their opinion that it brings the best out of the team. We certainly looked far more cohesive in the second half. But that didn't happen when Rambo went off, it happened when Moore came on and we moved from the false 9 formation. That's the mistake you're making. We actually had arguably our best spell in the first 15-20mins of the second half.
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Post by iot on Jun 10, 2021 20:22:23 GMT
Yeah Rambo benefitted from the change of formation against Albania, he looked good before he went off in the 2nd half. I also think Rambo can work well in that role in the first half, he just needs our best players around him I think he'll start as a F9 in a 3-4-3 with Bale & DJ I would be nervous about that considering it's never been tested. I repeat a point I made earlier - if the plan was only to play rambo for 30mins against france, why not start him in the false 9 for the first 30 to see how he played alongside bale and james? That was the only opportunity to do so given they didn't plan on using james in the albania game. i just find it a bizarre decision, unless they don't intend to start rambo there this saturday
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Post by insertname on Jun 10, 2021 20:42:31 GMT
At the risk of sounding like a crackpot Wales looked more cohesive as a unit without him on the pitch against Albania. It looked like the Wales that beat the Czech Republic, playing with a faster tempo and players having more space to play in because Wilson and Williams were playing between the lines as opposed to, at times, having a clutch of midfielders all on top of each other resulting in the ball being lost because there were less options further up field (side effect of the false 9?). Added to that Wales didn’t look out of place against France without him, until the sending off and the sky didn’t fall in when he didn’t make a competitive appearance for over a year either. For me the above is enough evidence to ask the question of who benefits most out of Ramsey starting? The formation undoubtedly is part of this question too, in that sense it was interesting to hear Rob Phillips, Joe Ledley and Nathan Blake all speak of their preference for having Moore on the pitch ahead of a false nine and in their opinion that it brings the best out of the team. We certainly looked far more cohesive in the second half. But that didn't happen when Rambo went off, it happened when Moore came on and we moved from the false 9 formation. That's the mistake you're making. We actually had arguably our best spell in the first 15-20mins of the second half. Definitely arguably! Reading the text comms after the game on the BBC the Welsh pundits seemed more enthused by the end to the game for similar reasons as me- chiefly tempo. We carried no goal threat whatsoever until Moore came on. Admittedly we hardly troubled the keeper after that but I was mo(o)re confident that if we had another 30 minutes we would have scored whereas it seemed like we could have played all night with the false 9 and Brooks on the right and we would have struggled to trouble Albania. It makes Dan James seem even more important for our chances that he was before those friendly games
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2021 22:01:23 GMT
Yeah Rambo benefitted from the change of formation against Albania, he looked good before he went off in the 2nd half. I also think Rambo can work well in that role in the first half, he just needs our best players around him I think he'll start as a F9 in a 3-4-3 with Bale & DJ I would be nervous about that considering it's never been tested. I repeat a point I made earlier - if the plan was only to play rambo for 30mins against france, why not start him in the false 9 for the first 30 to see how he played alongside bale and james? That was the only opportunity to do so given they didn't plan on using james in the albania game. i just find it a bizarre decision, unless they don't intend to start rambo there this saturday I'm sure it's been tested many times internally in the intra-squad games. Also Page doesn't want to show all his cards before the tournament. F9 has been tested with Wilson there on several occasions, so if Wilson can do it why couldn't Ramsey? I'd argue Ramsey is a better goal scorer, has better box-play, and has better stamina to go up and down
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Post by squatter1 on Jun 10, 2021 22:51:40 GMT
You guys are debating leaving Ramsey out the starting 11 while he’s fit?
The greatest ever welsh player in his position?
Just bonkers. Nuts
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 11, 2021 7:26:06 GMT
I'm sure Page has already said Ramsey is our best false 9. If we go with the false 9 I fully expect it to be Rambo.
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2021 11:48:52 GMT
I wasn't suggesting whether we should leave him out, just don't be surprised if he doesn't start given his injury history and recent fitness.
And as a false 9? Not for me. Ramsey likes to collect the ball deep to influence games, playing him at false 9 would be a detriment to his playing style.
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2021 11:50:32 GMT
I'm sure Page has already said Ramsey is our best false 9. If we go with the false 9 I fully expect it to be Rambo. Where has he got that idea from? Ramsey's barely played for Wales in the last 18 months, let alone start as a false 9. Play him where he excells, box to box or a no 10 midfielder.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 11, 2021 12:10:23 GMT
I'm sure Page has already said Ramsey is our best false 9. If we go with the false 9 I fully expect it to be Rambo. Where has he got that idea from? Ramsey's barely played for Wales in the last 18 months, let alone start as a false 9. Play him where he excells, box to box or a no 10 midfielder. He's probably got the idea from watching his style of play regularly and watching him train for the last couple of weeks or so, Dai.
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2021 12:19:28 GMT
Where has he got that idea from? Ramsey's barely played for Wales in the last 18 months, let alone start as a false 9. Play him where he excells, box to box or a no 10 midfielder. He's probably got the idea from watching his style of play regularly and watching him train for the last couple of weeks or so, Dai. There's no need to be so condescending erasure.
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2021 13:03:00 GMT
Clip on FAW Facebook now of Ramsey talking, has he lost a bit of weight or is it just me?
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Post by turkpower on Jun 11, 2021 14:20:06 GMT
Why have you lost weight then Dai
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Post by jbt95 on Jun 11, 2021 15:59:20 GMT
Clip on FAW Facebook now of Ramsey talking, has he lost a bit of weight or is it just me? Totally agree he has lost weight, said this on here a few weeks back.
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Post by dai on Jun 11, 2021 16:14:00 GMT
Clip on FAW Facebook now of Ramsey talking, has he lost a bit of weight or is it just me? Totally agree he has lost weight, said this on here a few weeks back. Just saw above, it may be that Italian tan bringing out his facial lines though.
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Post by manulike on Jun 11, 2021 18:28:12 GMT
Totally agree he has lost weight, said this on here a few weeks back. Just saw above, it may be that Italian tan bringing out his facial lines though. Definitely lost weight. Saw him on Saturday and he was back to his trim regular self from 2016.
That said, he certainly did put on at least a stone over the COVID lock-down period
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Post by manulike on Jun 16, 2021 18:04:54 GMT
Remind me who said that our kid can't defend? Don't think there is a blade of grass in Baku that our aaron hasn't covered. Brilliant machine and perfect defensive display. Should have scored four ... but all is forgiven now ;-)
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Post by welshiron on Jun 16, 2021 21:57:04 GMT
Legend
Hope his critics enjoyed.
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Post by iot on Jun 17, 2021 2:47:46 GMT
A pleasure to watch, needs more credit
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Post by msjohns on Jun 17, 2021 6:37:04 GMT
One of his best performances!
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 17, 2021 7:18:01 GMT
Aaron Ramsey baby!
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Post by cadno on Jun 17, 2021 9:41:56 GMT
I'm sure around the 18 minute mark Ramsey drops deeper into our half to pick the ball up and you can hear Rob Page shouting "We don't want f*cking Rambo there!"
Clearly putting trust and faith in Morrell and Allen to do that job, be brave, take risks, believe in eachother and get Rambo ticking higher up the pitch.
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Post by dai on Jun 17, 2021 9:56:55 GMT
I'm sure around the 18 minute mark Ramsey drops deeper into our half to pick the ball up and you can hear Rob Page shouting "We don't want f*cking Rambo there!" Clearly putting trust and faith in Morrell and Allen to do that job, be brave, take risks, believe in eachother and get Rambo ticking higher up the pitch. Good spot, haha, jest wedi gwrando nol ar hwnna!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 17, 2021 11:12:24 GMT
My man of the match last night, no other player contributed more in both an offensive sense & defensive sense. The best defensive 10 in the world in my opinion. Easily forgiven for missing those chances after he took the 1st goal. Always been massively underrated & I think at times we've missed his attacking instincts since he's been missing our games. Hope he's fit and firing for the whole tournament because he will cause a lot of fear if these performances continue!
Lovely to see him run over to Gunts as well! Clear to see we benefit from having Gunts in the squad even when he doesn't play
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Post by rangers15 on Jun 18, 2021 10:29:05 GMT
easily MotM for me... sensational game that we all know he is capable of. you can see that him and bale love playing together when they get a bit of space and time.
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