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Post by iot on Jun 18, 2021 11:32:33 GMT
easily MotM for me... sensational game that we all know he is capable of. you can see that him and bale love playing together when they get a bit of space and time. I think what's extremely evident is we can play very well and look great against teams who come at us and are prepared to open up / are disorganised - that was true of Turkey, Russia and Belgium, but really struggle against teams who are organised - thinking of Switzerland and Portugal and N Ireland from 2016. I think Denmark fits into the latter, whereas Russia's in the former. |
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Post by iot on Jul 7, 2021 11:04:23 GMT
Nonsense, Ben Davies isn’t retiring at 29. Danny Ward is younger still. Allen, Ramsey, Jonny and Gunter have more than 18 months of good football left. Fair point on Davies, but Allen and Ramsey will follow Bale into retirement once the ‘22 campaign is over. The reality is Ramsey probably won’t play for us much between now and then and there have to be some questions marks over what standard Allen will be playing at should we get to the WC. Lot of urgency needed for this euro’s squad players to kick on at club level Disagree on Ramsey, I think he'll stay on for longer. He's always been misjudged by quite a few on here. Time will tell |
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Post by texan on Jul 7, 2021 11:38:52 GMT
Disagree on Ramsey, I think he'll stay on for longer. He's always been misjudged by quite a few on here. Time will tell In the pre-Euros prep camp Ramsey did an interview (either with the Beeb or internal FAW) where he said he was looking forward to getting back on top of his injury worries and having a better season next year and that he felt he "still has a fair bit of mileage left in his legs over the next few years". His body may not agree long term but it sounded like Ramsey was planning on a handful more seasons of playing at least. |
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Post by insertname on Jul 7, 2021 12:08:11 GMT
Fair point on Davies, but Allen and Ramsey will follow Bale into retirement once the ‘22 campaign is over. The reality is Ramsey probably won’t play for us much between now and then and there have to be some questions marks over what standard Allen will be playing at should we get to the WC. Lot of urgency needed for this euro’s squad players to kick on at club level Disagree on Ramsey, I think he'll stay on for longer. He's always been misjudged by quite a few on here. Time will tell Even if he doesn’t retire he seems to struggle to play in anything that isn’t an end of season tournament for Wales these days and even then his performances have been underwhelming, along with Bale, bar the Turkey game. It’s hard to imagine a player with his injury track record will continue to commit to international football into his 30’s if only because it seems reasonable to assume that when his Juve contract runs out any new contract he gets at a new club will be contingent on him packing in international football given his extensive list of injuries and his age. |
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Post by iot on Jul 7, 2021 12:45:07 GMT
Disagree on Ramsey, I think he'll stay on for longer. He's always been misjudged by quite a few on here. Time will tell Even if he doesn’t retire he seems to struggle to play in anything that isn’t an end of season tournament for Wales these days and even then his performances have been underwhelming, along with Bale, bar the Turkey game. It’s hard to imagine a player with his injury track record will continue to commit to international football into his 30’s if only because it seems reasonable to assume that when his Juve contract runs out any new contract he gets at a new club will be contingent on him packing in international football given his extensive list of injuries and his age. I don't think there's much substance to that last sentence, it's not a practice you often hear anyway. I think it's fair to say Ramsey's earnt a fair bit playing for Juve, so he's in a stronger position to dictate things - he doesn't need the money. He's a fiercely proud Welshman, I have no doubt about that, so I'm confident he will be with us for a while longer. |
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Post by insertname on Jul 7, 2021 12:54:54 GMT
Even if he doesn’t retire he seems to struggle to play in anything that isn’t an end of season tournament for Wales these days and even then his performances have been underwhelming, along with Bale, bar the Turkey game. It’s hard to imagine a player with his injury track record will continue to commit to international football into his 30’s if only because it seems reasonable to assume that when his Juve contract runs out any new contract he gets at a new club will be contingent on him packing in international football given his extensive list of injuries and his age. I don't think there's much substance to that last sentence, it's not a practice you often hear anyway. I think it's fair to say Ramsey's earnt a fair bit playing for Juve, so he's in a stronger position to dictate things - he doesn't need the money. He's a fiercely proud Welshman, I have no doubt about that, so I'm confident he will be with us for a while longer. It’s probably not explicit, but I’d be surprised if clubs don’t take this sort of thing into account when pricing up a costly asset. When you’re paying high end wages you don’t want to be left with the tab when a big earner gets crocked on international duty, even less so when you knew the guy’s previous history with injuries and went ahead and signed him anyway. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jul 18, 2021 12:52:12 GMT
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Post by insertname on Jul 18, 2021 15:47:36 GMT
I’ve no doubt Juventus would love to get his contract off the books, especially with their cash flow issues but it’s hard to see anyone matching his wages based on his time at Juventus and an underwhelming Euros. It’s all going to go the same way as Bale at Madrid imo. He will see out his contract, and why not? I notice Juventus fans are having a go at him for not buggering off of his own volition but if the club gives a player a fat contract it’s not the player’s problem to solve the club’s money problems if the move doesn’t work out and they want to re-invest elsewhere. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 18, 2021 16:16:54 GMT
Would have thought he'd be in Allegri's plans given that he was the one who signed him in the first place? Signed him before he resigned, so I'm expecting Allegri to use him
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Post by cadno on Aug 1, 2021 14:38:00 GMT
First of all, when on earth did Allegri go back to Juve? I thought Pirlo was in charge lol Found this link via dragonsoccer football-italia.net/allegri-pjanic-ramsey-can-do-it-for-juventus/Could be good news for Wales, Ramsey being trained to play the deeper midfield role we've seen Pjanic and Pirlo play before. He's struggled there in the past but with the right training he could be brilliant in that role, he certainly has all the attributes. |
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Post by texan on Aug 2, 2021 10:43:34 GMT
First of all, when on earth did Allegri go back to Juve? I thought Pirlo was in charge lol Found this link via dragonsoccer football-italia.net/allegri-pjanic-ramsey-can-do-it-for-juventus/Could be good news for Wales, Ramsey being trained to play the deeper midfield role we've seen Pjanic and Pirlo play before. He's struggled there in the past but with the right training he could be brilliant in that role, he certainly has all the attributes. The Pirlo sacking/Allegri re-hiring happened on the same day - May 28th. I streamed the friendly over the weekend, it was typical preseason stuff with the entire team changed over the course of half time & the second half. However the half Ramsey played he was excellent, he was the fulcrum. Also happened to Whatsapp a friend over the weekend who's currently living in Chivasso, just north of Turin. Ramsey came up when he said he'd read an article in a local paper last week where it stated Allegri had been 'blown away' by Ramsey's skillset in training since he's met him, apparently he had no idea he was that good/technical. To such an extent he instructed Aaron be moved from the 'to sell' list to the 'core player' list. How much truth is in that I don't know, I suppose papers spout shit wherever in the world you are, but taken in hand with what he's said officially over the weekend about Ramsey it could well be true. Could be amazing news for Ramsey, a proper tactical manager who knows how to get the best out of/look after players, stating he cold be a midfield lynchpin this season! Aaron may well be going nowhere...and we can finally get to see him in a proper Juve striped kit after the abominations of the past 2 years! |
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Post by rangers15 on Aug 2, 2021 12:26:24 GMT
First of all, when on earth did Allegri go back to Juve? I thought Pirlo was in charge lol Found this link via dragonsoccer football-italia.net/allegri-pjanic-ramsey-can-do-it-for-juventus/Could be good news for Wales, Ramsey being trained to play the deeper midfield role we've seen Pjanic and Pirlo play before. He's struggled there in the past but with the right training he could be brilliant in that role, he certainly has all the attributes. The Pirlo sacking/Allegri re-hiring happened on the same day - May 28th. I streamed the friendly over the weekend, it was typical preseason stuff with the entire team changed over the course of half time & the second half. However the half Ramsey played he was excellent, he was the fulcrum. Also happened to Whatsapp a friend over the weekend who's currently living in Chivasso, just north of Turin. Ramsey came up when he said he'd read an article in a local paper last week where it stated Allegri had been 'blown away' by Ramsey's skillset in training since he's met him, apparently he had no idea he was that good/technical. To such an extent he instructed Aaron be moved from the 'to sell' list to the 'core player' list. How much truth is in that I don't know, I suppose papers spout shit wherever in the world you are, but taken in hand with what he's said officially over the weekend about Ramsey it could well be true. Could be amazing news for Ramsey, a proper tactical manager who knows how to get the best out of/look after players, stating he cold be a midfield lynchpin this season! Aaron may well be going nowhere...and we can finally get to see him in a proper Juve striped kit after the abominations of the past 2 years!ha - this has really bugged me too (way more than it should have). imagine signing for Juve and not getting to wear the proper b&w stripes! fingers crossed he gets a good run of uninterrupted games whilst also being available for a few more qualifiers than the last campaign. |
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Post by cadno on Aug 4, 2021 12:07:43 GMT
First of all, when on earth did Allegri go back to Juve? I thought Pirlo was in charge lol Found this link via dragonsoccer football-italia.net/allegri-pjanic-ramsey-can-do-it-for-juventus/Could be good news for Wales, Ramsey being trained to play the deeper midfield role we've seen Pjanic and Pirlo play before. He's struggled there in the past but with the right training he could be brilliant in that role, he certainly has all the attributes. The Pirlo sacking/Allegri re-hiring happened on the same day - May 28th. I streamed the friendly over the weekend, it was typical preseason stuff with the entire team changed over the course of half time & the second half. However the half Ramsey played he was excellent, he was the fulcrum. Also happened to Whatsapp a friend over the weekend who's currently living in Chivasso, just north of Turin. Ramsey came up when he said he'd read an article in a local paper last week where it stated Allegri had been 'blown away' by Ramsey's skillset in training since he's met him, apparently he had no idea he was that good/technical. To such an extent he instructed Aaron be moved from the 'to sell' list to the 'core player' list. How much truth is in that I don't know, I suppose papers spout shit wherever in the world you are, but taken in hand with what he's said officially over the weekend about Ramsey it could well be true. Could be amazing news for Ramsey, a proper tactical manager who knows how to get the best out of/look after players, stating he cold be a midfield lynchpin this season! Aaron may well be going nowhere...and we can finally get to see him in a proper Juve striped kit after the abominations of the past 2 years! Interesting stuff, great to hear Ramsey has impressed Allegri. Looking forward to see how he does this season, hopefully he doesn't pick up too many injuries. |
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Post by texan on Aug 8, 2021 18:55:44 GMT
Ramsey starts tonight v Barca in the Gamper trophy.
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Post by cynonvalley on Aug 14, 2021 18:22:16 GMT
Aaron starts against Atalanta, last pre-season friendly
Live stream by Juve:
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Post by cynonvalley on Aug 14, 2021 20:58:45 GMT
Max Allegri: "I think Ramsey played a good game tonight, he's an intelligent guy. In front of the defense, I think he has a very good future, because tonight it wasn't easy against Atalanta, it's the second time there he played, he went to close many trajectories and later on when the condition will support him more he will make less mistakes, because he will have more geometry in his head. So he is a player I count on a lot."
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Post by cynonvalley on Aug 19, 2021 18:20:16 GMT
Scored against Juve U23's in a friendly
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Post by iot on Aug 22, 2021 16:17:00 GMT
Nice to see him starting the first game. They've just brought Locatelli in, so Rambo will need to do will to keep his place.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 22, 2021 20:30:56 GMT
Rambo being played in a deeper role by Allegri. I've always been against it for Wales as he has been one of our best attackers, but this development will benefit us I think. We have so much talent coming through in the no.10 role, and are stuck for quality in the deeper midfield positions. Perhaps him being a regular in a deeper role at club level will carve him into someone who can do that role internationally as well. He needs positional discipline to do it, and I can think he can. I'm sure he'd be able to dictate a game for us there in future
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Post by bobbyghoul on Aug 22, 2021 23:08:18 GMT
Rambo being played in a deeper role by Allegri. I've always been against it for Wales as he has been one of our best attackers, but this development will benefit us I think. We have so much talent coming through in the no.10 role, and are stuck for quality in the deeper midfield positions. Perhaps him being a regular in a deeper role at club level will carve him into someone who can do that role internationally as well. He needs positional discipline to do it, and I can think he can. I'm sure he'd be able to dictate a game for us there in future Means we can drop Ampadu into defence or replace Allen if he's finished. |
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Post by johnoster on Aug 23, 2021 9:28:13 GMT
Didn't play particularly well unfortunately.
Asked to be the deepest midfielder so not involved in any important attacks.
Caught flat footed before Sczezny gave away the penalty, then again soon after.
Taken off at 2-1.
Locatelli will probably take his place soon.
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Post by iot on Aug 23, 2021 10:09:56 GMT
Didn't play particularly well unfortunately. Asked to be the deepest midfielder so not involved in any important attacks. Caught flat footed before Sczezny gave away the penalty, then again soon after. Taken off at 2-1. Locatelli will probably take his place soon. I tend to agree. He had a few good moments where he zipped the ball around and started off attacks, but he didn't get on the ball often enough to orchestrate things, which is what's expected from that position. He didn't really break up any attacks either. |
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Post by johnoster on Aug 24, 2021 8:20:13 GMT
Not really his position, but as long as he's playing semi-regularly and is still available for us I'll be happy.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 24, 2021 8:42:08 GMT
Didn't play particularly well unfortunately. Asked to be the deepest midfielder so not involved in any important attacks. Caught flat footed before Sczezny gave away the penalty, then again soon after. Taken off at 2-1. Locatelli will probably take his place soon. I tend to agree. He had a few good moments where he zipped the ball around and started off attacks, but he didn't get on the ball often enough to orchestrate things, which is what's expected from that position. He didn't really break up any attacks either. Given how weak we are in the middle of the park, perhaps it would be an idea to partner him up with Ampadu against better opposition like Belgium or the Czechs, and fielding Wilson or Brooks behind the forwards. I think it's important we get him on the ball as much as possible and lately, I can't help but feel he gets a bit lost against better opposition as we can rarely get him on the ball. It's different against lesser opposition, he thrived against Turkey. |
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Post by iot on Aug 24, 2021 10:33:58 GMT
I tend to agree. He had a few good moments where he zipped the ball around and started off attacks, but he didn't get on the ball often enough to orchestrate things, which is what's expected from that position. He didn't really break up any attacks either. Given how weak we are in the middle of the park, perhaps it would be an idea to partner him up with Ampadu against better opposition like Belgium or the Czechs, and fielding Wilson or Brooks behind the forwards. I think it's important we get him on the ball as much as possible and lately, I can't help but feel he gets a bit lost against better opposition as we can rarely get him on the ball. It's different against lesser opposition, he thrived against Turkey. I think a switch to 433 would solve it, with allen sitting and Rambo + roberts/wilson/brooks just ahead of him. For me, that's Rambo's best position and would allow him to get on the ball much more whilst also giving him the freedom to push forward. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 24, 2021 10:55:21 GMT
Given how weak we are in the middle of the park, perhaps it would be an idea to partner him up with Ampadu against better opposition like Belgium or the Czechs, and fielding Wilson or Brooks behind the forwards. I think it's important we get him on the ball as much as possible and lately, I can't help but feel he gets a bit lost against better opposition as we can rarely get him on the ball. It's different against lesser opposition, he thrived against Turkey. I think a switch to 433 would solve it, with allen sitting and Rambo + roberts/wilson/brooks just ahead of him. For me, that's Rambo's best position and would allow him to get on the ball much more whilst also giving him the freedom to push forward. I'm no longer convinced with Allen for the games against the better teams, I don't think he has enough quality and ball winning ability anymore to make up for his lack of physical presence, which is why I'd opt for Ampadu. Allen would definitely still be useful against the weaker sides though, in my opinion. That being said, it could leave us quite weak in defence. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 24, 2021 11:25:49 GMT
I tend to agree. He had a few good moments where he zipped the ball around and started off attacks, but he didn't get on the ball often enough to orchestrate things, which is what's expected from that position. He didn't really break up any attacks either. Given how weak we are in the middle of the park, perhaps it would be an idea to partner him up with Ampadu against better opposition like Belgium or the Czechs, and fielding Wilson or Brooks behind the forwards. I think it's important we get him on the ball as much as possible and lately, I can't help but feel he gets a bit lost against better opposition as we can rarely get him on the ball. It's different against lesser opposition, he thrived against Turkey. 100% agree |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 24, 2021 11:29:36 GMT
Given how weak we are in the middle of the park, perhaps it would be an idea to partner him up with Ampadu against better opposition like Belgium or the Czechs, and fielding Wilson or Brooks behind the forwards. I think it's important we get him on the ball as much as possible and lately, I can't help but feel he gets a bit lost against better opposition as we can rarely get him on the ball. It's different against lesser opposition, he thrived against Turkey. I think a switch to 433 would solve it, with allen sitting and Rambo + roberts/wilson/brooks just ahead of him. For me, that's Rambo's best position and would allow him to get on the ball much more whilst also giving him the freedom to push forward. Ampadu sitting rather than Allen for me |
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Post by iot on Aug 24, 2021 11:39:45 GMT
I think a switch to 433 would solve it, with allen sitting and Rambo + roberts/wilson/brooks just ahead of him. For me, that's Rambo's best position and would allow him to get on the ball much more whilst also giving him the freedom to push forward. I'm no longer convinced with Allen for the games against the better teams, I don't think he has enough quality and ball winning ability anymore to make up for his lack of physical presence, which is why I'd opt for Ampadu. Allen would definitely still be useful against the weaker sides though, in my opinion. That being said, it could leave us quite weak in defence. I think it depends on a few things - match fitness definitely comes into it. At the moment, Allen is captaining a successful Stoke side week in week out. I have no idea how well he's playing, but I don't think he's missed a minute of the first four league games. Ampadu, on the other hand, hasn't had a minute of competitive football, so I would select Allen for the upcoming qualifiers. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 24, 2021 11:45:09 GMT
If you asked Ramsey who he would prefer along side him, Allen or Ampadu, I’m confident it would be a resounding nod to wee Joe.
A midfield of all three would be even better
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