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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 24, 2021 12:19:26 GMT
If you asked Ramsey who he would prefer along side him, Allen or Ampadu, I’m confident it would be a resounding nod to wee Joe. A midfield of all three would be even better Allen got bullied by the Danish midfield, you need a bit of steel in there against the stronger midfields if the quality isn't there. Joe was just coming off the back of a long term injury however, so perhaps not all is lost. If we get the Joe Allen of previous it's a no brainer to choose him, but lately I think Ampadu is the better shout with Rambo, even if Ampadu isn't getting regular gametime. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Aug 24, 2021 17:19:00 GMT
ffs
"Due to a muscular problem reported at the end of the match played against Udinese, Aaron Ramsey underwent diagnostic tests at J|Medical this morning, which revealed a low-grade injury to the adductor major muscle of the right thigh. In 10 days he will undergo new exams in order to precisely define the recovery time."
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Post by dai on Aug 24, 2021 17:25:03 GMT
It's so predictable, it's not even disappointing anymore is it?
Don't think he will be a massive miss for this international break anyway.
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Post by iot on Aug 24, 2021 18:42:14 GMT
Speak for yourself, I'm gutted. He's just the type of player we need against that type of opposition who might sit in.
It feels like there's really poor communications between the FAW and Juventus. Don't they check in with the clus first before announcing the squad?
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 24, 2021 18:44:57 GMT
It's so predictable, it's not even disappointing anymore is it? Don't think he will be a massive miss for this international break anyway. What an unusual occurrence. |
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Post by dai on Aug 24, 2021 19:48:08 GMT
Speak for yourself, I'm gutted. He's just the type of player we need against that type of opposition who might sit in. It feels like there's really poor communications between the FAW and Juventus. Don't they check in with the clus first before announcing the squad? We've beaten teams similar to Estonia and Belarus without Ramsey many a time, over the last 2/3 years in fact. But yes, there does seem to be poor communication going on. It's a sure way to rile up fans by announcing his inclusion, then to hear of an injury, once again, only a few hours later. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 24, 2021 20:01:19 GMT
Very frustrating
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Post by Albert on Aug 24, 2021 20:28:21 GMT
What's the reason for the 10 day delay ?
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Post by cadno on Aug 24, 2021 20:49:09 GMT
Lol see you at WC 2022 or Euro 2024 if we qualify for them Rambo, otherwise thanks for the memories!
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 24, 2021 23:01:54 GMT
"Due to a muscular problem reported at the end of the match played against Udinese, Aaron Ramsey underwent diagnostic tests at J|Medical this morning, which revealed a low-grade injury to the adductor major muscle of the right thigh. In 10 days he will undergo new exams in order to precisely define the recovery time."
How convenient.
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 6:39:12 GMT
"Due to a muscular problem reported at the end of the match played against Udinese, Aaron Ramsey underwent diagnostic tests at J|Medical this morning, which revealed a low-grade injury to the adductor major muscle of the right thigh. In 10 days he will undergo new exams in order to precisely define the recovery time." How convenient. Not really, because they have a game this Saturday which he will now miss. Again, if we are to believe that this is a facade to prevent him from playing for us, we must also believe that Juve have decided to sacrifice him from their upcoming game as part of the cover up. Either that, or he's suffered another niggly injury in a playing career which has probably involved a 100+ niggly injuries... |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 6:47:30 GMT
I think the reality is, we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. Lots of former players have spoken about playing through pain barriers and playing while their carrying knocks and some players probably do it much more than others. I guess, though, there's a difference between different types of injuries where if it's a muscular problem there's probably a greater risk of aggravating something. It also depends on the player involved - I remember at Arsenal Ramsey used to be out for 2-3 weeks, would then get rushed back in, and would be out for several months after aggravating something. It's possible that he often does play through pain barriers and whilst carrying knocks. He may well have done so in the Euros but decided that the risk was worth taking given it was tournament football. He also lacks leverage at Juve - if he was their leading player like Ronaldo, he could dictate things much more. But he's someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, isn't well thought of by the fans, and so needs to do all he can to get them on side.
There's one thing I'm very confident of - he's a really passionate Welshman and really wants to join up as much as he can. I'm also 100% confident that he is carrying a knock. He possibly could join up and play through the injury, but that would risk aggravating it, and for the reasons listed above he's probably not in a position to do that.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 8:09:39 GMT
I think the reality is, we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. Lots of former players have spoken about playing through pain barriers and playing while their carrying knocks and some players probably do it much more than others. I guess, though, there's a difference between different types of injuries where if it's a muscular problem there's probably a greater risk of aggravating something. It also depends on the player involved - I remember at Arsenal Ramsey used to be out for 2-3 weeks, would then get rushed back in, and would be out for several months after aggravating something. It's possible that he often does play through pain barriers and whilst carrying knocks. He may well have done so in the Euros but decided that the risk was worth taking given it was tournament football. He also lacks leverage at Juve - if he was their leading player like Ronaldo, he could dictate things much more. But he's someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, isn't well thought of by the fans, and so needs to do all he can to get them on side. There's one thing I'm very confident of - he's a really passionate Welshman and really wants to join up as much as he can. I'm also 100% confident that he is carrying a knock. He possibly could join up and play through the injury, but that would risk aggravating it, and for the reasons listed above he's probably not in a position to do that. you should have just left it as we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. saw the stat yesterday: involved in all 6 games over the summer friendlies and euros. But 2 starts and 2 sub appearances in 22 games before that. Its pointless arguing on here as we all have our own ideas but we all know very little. My question is at what point do you say to a player no matter how good they are - you haven't played a qualifier so you can't be considered for a tournament? Surely it would be unfair on someone who regularly turns up to drop them in place of ramsey at a tournament? |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 8:39:13 GMT
I think the reality is, we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. Lots of former players have spoken about playing through pain barriers and playing while their carrying knocks and some players probably do it much more than others. I guess, though, there's a difference between different types of injuries where if it's a muscular problem there's probably a greater risk of aggravating something. It also depends on the player involved - I remember at Arsenal Ramsey used to be out for 2-3 weeks, would then get rushed back in, and would be out for several months after aggravating something. It's possible that he often does play through pain barriers and whilst carrying knocks. He may well have done so in the Euros but decided that the risk was worth taking given it was tournament football. He also lacks leverage at Juve - if he was their leading player like Ronaldo, he could dictate things much more. But he's someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, isn't well thought of by the fans, and so needs to do all he can to get them on side. There's one thing I'm very confident of - he's a really passionate Welshman and really wants to join up as much as he can. I'm also 100% confident that he is carrying a knock. He possibly could join up and play through the injury, but that would risk aggravating it, and for the reasons listed above he's probably not in a position to do that. you should have just left it as we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. saw the stat yesterday: involved in all 6 games over the summer friendlies and euros. But 2 starts and 2 sub appearances in 22 games before that. Its pointless arguing on here as we all have our own ideas but we all know very little. My question is at what point do you say to a player no matter how good they are - you haven't played a qualifier so you can't be considered for a tournament? Surely it would be unfair on someone who regularly turns up to drop them in place of ramsey at a tournament? Well, we had a 26 man squad in the last tournament, 8 of them hadn't played a minute in the qualifiers leading up to it, whilst Ramsey had played in 2 games. I think we only had 19 or 20 players who had featured in the qualifiers, and all of those who were fit were selected. So Ramsey wasn't selected ahead of anyone who had contributed to the qualifiers, and I don't think that will ever be the case. I can't see us ever having 23 players who have contributed and we have to leave one of them behind to select Ramsey, so it's a bit of a moot point |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 9:00:07 GMT
you should have just left it as we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. saw the stat yesterday: involved in all 6 games over the summer friendlies and euros. But 2 starts and 2 sub appearances in 22 games before that. Its pointless arguing on here as we all have our own ideas but we all know very little. My question is at what point do you say to a player no matter how good they are - you haven't played a qualifier so you can't be considered for a tournament? Surely it would be unfair on someone who regularly turns up to drop them in place of ramsey at a tournament? Well, we had a 26 man squad in the last tournament, 8 of them hadn't played a minute in the qualifiers leading up to it, whilst Ramsey had played in 2 games. I think we only had 19 or 20 players who had featured in the qualifiers, and all of those who were fit were selected. So Ramsey wasn't selected ahead of anyone who had contributed to the qualifiers, and I don't think that will ever be the case. I can't see us ever having 23 players who have contributed and we have to leave one of them behind to select Ramsey, so it's a bit of a moot point those 8 were they involved with the squad though in the build up? im pretty sure vaulks or lawrence had been involved in the squads but weren't taken to the euros and were fit. Ramsey played every game of the tournament despite not being involved much for the qualifiers. So he took a place certainly. He's a better player so there is the case he deserved to be starting regardless but where do you draw the line. I imagine these conversations are being had and every time this happens Page is like FFS |
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Post by dai on Aug 25, 2021 10:27:24 GMT
Just read he's the 4th highest earner at Juve. Welsh bias aside, no wonder fans are getting annoyed.
Did he play through injury during the Euro's? Miraculously playing 4 games in quick succession, but apart from the Turkey game, and for a player of his 'calibre', he was anonymous against the Swiss, Italians and Denmark.
It does seem very unfair that a number of other players did the donkey work leading to qualification, then Ramsey turns up, plays four luxury games, then disappears once more when the hard work begins again. You can defend him all you want, but that is extremely unfair and cannot be good for squad morale.
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Post by dlwilliams on Aug 25, 2021 10:40:43 GMT
Just read he's the 4th highest earner at Juve. Welsh bias aside, no wonder fans are getting annoyed. Did he play through injury during the Euro's? Miraculously playing 4 games in quick succession, but apart from the Turkey game, and for a player of his 'calibre', he was anonymous against the Swiss, Italians and Denmark. It does seem very unfair that a number of other players did the donkey work leading to qualification, then Ramsey turns up, plays four luxury games, then disappears once more when the hard work begins. I think he said during the Euros that he was working with his own personal fitness team to help him stay fit. Not sure if that's a new thing for him or if he's been doing it for a while. Also, would he be permitted to do it at his club? I suppose with Wales, he'd have a bit more leeway given his stature, but I can't imagine Juventus allowing it. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 10:56:32 GMT
"Due to a muscular problem reported at the end of the match played against Udinese, Aaron Ramsey underwent diagnostic tests at J|Medical this morning, which revealed a low-grade injury to the adductor major muscle of the right thigh. In 10 days he will undergo new exams in order to precisely define the recovery time." How convenient. Not really, because they have a game this Saturday which he will now miss. Again, if we are to believe that this is a facade to prevent him from playing for us, we must also believe that Juve have decided to sacrifice him from their upcoming game as part of the cover up. Either that, or he's suffered another niggly injury in a playing career which has probably involved a 100+ niggly injuries... They signed that Locatelli didn’t they? So Ramsey missing games in the short term to protect their investment long term is not such a bad move for Juve now they arguably have better quality in the building. One things for certain: the crackpot conspiracy theory becomes less crackpot the more time goes by. It’s mental when you look at previous qualifiers while he’s been at Juve how literally EVERY time he is injured just as they roll around. Sadly I suspect the player plays some part in this too- I was adamant he would play in the Euros whereas everyone else was convinced he wouldn’t. It’s all too predictable that he misses every single qualifier yet manages to sort himself out for the finals, now normal service is resumed again. I know people want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but really it’s become a pattern that is beyond any sort of bad luck with injury. It’s hard to believe it’s just bad luck when it happens with such perfect regularity. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 11:03:46 GMT
I think the reality is, we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. Lots of former players have spoken about playing through pain barriers and playing while their carrying knocks and some players probably do it much more than others. I guess, though, there's a difference between different types of injuries where if it's a muscular problem there's probably a greater risk of aggravating something. It also depends on the player involved - I remember at Arsenal Ramsey used to be out for 2-3 weeks, would then get rushed back in, and would be out for several months after aggravating something. It's possible that he often does play through pain barriers and whilst carrying knocks. He may well have done so in the Euros but decided that the risk was worth taking given it was tournament football. He also lacks leverage at Juve - if he was their leading player like Ronaldo, he could dictate things much more. But he's someone who isn't a guaranteed starter, isn't well thought of by the fans, and so needs to do all he can to get them on side. There's one thing I'm very confident of - he's a really passionate Welshman and really wants to join up as much as he can. I'm also 100% confident that he is carrying a knock. He possibly could join up and play through the injury, but that would risk aggravating it, and for the reasons listed above he's probably not in a position to do that. you should have just left it as we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. saw the stat yesterday: involved in all 6 games over the summer friendlies and euros. But 2 starts and 2 sub appearances in 22 games before that. Its pointless arguing on here as we all have our own ideas but we all know very little. My question is at what point do you say to a player no matter how good they are - you haven't played a qualifier so you can't be considered for a tournament? Surely it would be unfair on someone who regularly turns up to drop them in place of ramsey at a tournament? Exactly, a player like Wilson really deserved to play a bigger role at the Euros, I would say to the detriment of the team but really, Ramsey hardly turned up himself as it was. It’s probably Johnny Williams I feel most sorry for. Didn’t get a look in at all and has been a good servant and as recently as the Czech game showed he could provide a big influence on games. Williams playing for Swindon now means he’s probably had his chance and the Euros, where he never got on the pitch, was his swan song. For me, like you allude to, there has to be some sort of point where you reward players for doing the hard, unglamorous yards keeping a shirt warm for the glory boys to come back in and take it off them when it suits. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 11:07:17 GMT
Well, we had a 26 man squad in the last tournament, 8 of them hadn't played a minute in the qualifiers leading up to it, whilst Ramsey had played in 2 games. I think we only had 19 or 20 players who had featured in the qualifiers, and all of those who were fit were selected. So Ramsey wasn't selected ahead of anyone who had contributed to the qualifiers, and I don't think that will ever be the case. I can't see us ever having 23 players who have contributed and we have to leave one of them behind to select Ramsey, so it's a bit of a moot point those 8 were they involved with the squad though in the build up? im pretty sure vaulks or lawrence had been involved in the squads but weren't taken to the euros and were fit. Ramsey played every game of the tournament despite not being involved much for the qualifiers. So he took a place certainly. He's a better player so there is the case he deserved to be starting regardless but where do you draw the line. I imagine these conversations are being had and every time this happens Page is like FFS I do wonder what the morale is like behind closed doors when players don’t play because the lad who is always injured has, as I confidently predicted, miraculously climbed off the treatment table to take the place of a lad who played in the unglamorous qualifiers. It must be a tough pill to swallow |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 11:14:40 GMT
you should have just left it as we know very little about what goes on behind the scenes. saw the stat yesterday: involved in all 6 games over the summer friendlies and euros. But 2 starts and 2 sub appearances in 22 games before that. Its pointless arguing on here as we all have our own ideas but we all know very little. My question is at what point do you say to a player no matter how good they are - you haven't played a qualifier so you can't be considered for a tournament? Surely it would be unfair on someone who regularly turns up to drop them in place of ramsey at a tournament? Exactly, a player like Wilson really deserved to play a bigger role at the Euros, I would say to the detriment of the team but really, Ramsey hardly turned up himself as it was. It’s probably Johnny Williams I feel most sorry for. Didn’t get a look in at all and has been a good servant and as recently as the Czech game showed he could provide a big influence on games. Williams playing for Swindon now means he’s probably had his chance and the Euros, where he never got on the pitch, was his swan song. For me, like you allude to, there has to be some sort of point where you reward players for doing the hard, unglamorous yards keeping a shirt warm for the glory boys to come back in and take it off them when it suits. sure, if you're a manager it has to be in the back of your mind - what kind of precedent are you setting to allow players to have the luxury to turn up and take a starting 11. While a younger player has come in and done all the donkey work for you. Maybe it was fine for the euros but this time around they may be some sort of resentment. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 11:21:52 GMT
Just read he's the 4th highest earner at Juve. Welsh bias aside, no wonder fans are getting annoyed. Did he play through injury during the Euro's? Miraculously playing 4 games in quick succession, but apart from the Turkey game, and for a player of his 'calibre', he was anonymous against the Swiss, Italians and Denmark. It does seem very unfair that a number of other players did the donkey work leading to qualification, then Ramsey turns up, plays four luxury games, then disappears once more when the hard work begins again. You can defend him all you want, but that is extremely unfair and cannot be good for squad morale. There is a serious cause and effect issue that goes beyond simply picking your best players “just because”, especially as Ramsey was poor for 80% of the Euros. Imagine if Wilson played more, did a decent job and put himself in the shop window. He gets a move to a premiership side where, with better coaching, he fulfils his potential to a better degree and in a quicker time frame than by not playing much in the Euros and moving to Fulham. That scenario would perhaps pay bigger dividends long term for Wales than Ramsey stinking the place out for most of the games. For me it’s coming to a point where the Wales manager has to grow a spine and prioritise giving Ramsey’s long term successor the platform to kick on. We seem able to win qualifiers without him so for me we should double down on that and end this assumption that if he turns up he is guaranteed to start. If Ramsey himself felt he actually had competition for his place I suspect the situation wouldn’t be like it is now either. He would have known all last season that if could get himself fit for the finals he would play, that’s a really powerful position to be in mentally and would undoubtedly play a part in the things he could personally influence in terms of his injuries and how much he would protest to Juventus that he was fit to play for his country when they officially said he wasn’t. |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 12:06:21 GMT
Oh dear, and so it has begun. Some very silly comments I won't spend too much time reading through for the benefit of my blood pressure. Some of you just like being very dramatic, pontificating how much of a tragedy it is that Ramsey played all the Euros games ahead of the likes of Wilson. Give me a break. If Wilson had started against Turkey, we may very well have failed to win a single game and gone out with a whimper. I'm pretty sure you lot would be much more outraged in that scenario, and would probably find a way of blaming it on Ramsey. I think there's a lot of faux outrage going on here - it's one way to spend a Wednesday afternoon I guess...
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 12:49:32 GMT
Oh dear, and so it has begun. Some very silly comments I won't spend too much time reading through for the benefit of my blood pressure. Some of you just like being very dramatic, pontificating how much of a tragedy it is that Ramsey played all the Euros games ahead of the likes of Wilson. Give me a break. If Wilson had started against Turkey, we may very well have failed to win a single game and gone out with a whimper. I'm pretty sure you lot would be much more outraged in that scenario, and would probably find a way of blaming it on Ramsey. I think there's a lot of faux outrage going on here - it's one way to spend a Wednesday afternoon I guess... We’ll, I would try and blame the Denmark defeat on Ramsey but to this day I’m still not sure he was actually on the pitch for that game. It’s hard to see how anyone could have been more anonymous. He had one good game against Turkey, considering how much he is talked up on here as a world beater 3 anonymous performances out of 4 is very poor indeed. In fact if I recall you yourself said he had a very poor tournament along with Bale. And with respect you’ll still be here in 3 years time telling us it’s all still coincidence. The word “coincidence” is being abused enough as it is right now. The guy is unfit for literally every qualifier going back years. Every qualifier. How many more does he have to miss while you live in la la land talking about “little niggles”? It’s got to the point where it feels like there is some bigger issue at work here, whether it’s the player or club or both who knows. At this rate we best hope we qualify for Qatar or by my reckoning we won’t see Ramsey in a Wales shirt ever again. Thankfully the likes of Wilson have at least managed to see us qualify for the top tier of the nations league and compete in our WC group in his absence - so why be so fatalistic about needing him to beat crap like Turkey? |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 13:16:15 GMT
Oh dear, and so it has begun. Some very silly comments I won't spend too much time reading through for the benefit of my blood pressure. Some of you just like being very dramatic, pontificating how much of a tragedy it is that Ramsey played all the Euros games ahead of the likes of Wilson. Give me a break. If Wilson had started against Turkey, we may very well have failed to win a single game and gone out with a whimper. I'm pretty sure you lot would be much more outraged in that scenario, and would probably find a way of blaming it on Ramsey. I think there's a lot of faux outrage going on here - it's one way to spend a Wednesday afternoon I guess... We’ll, I would try and blame the Denmark defeat on Ramsey but to this day I’m still not sure he was actually on the pitch for that game. It’s hard to see how anyone could have been more anonymous. He had one good game against Turkey, considering how much he is talked up on here as a world beater 3 anonymous performances out of 4 is very poor indeed. In fact if I recall you yourself said he had a very poor tournament along with Bale. And with respect you’ll still be here in 3 years time telling us it’s all still coincidence. The word “coincidence” is being abused enough as it is right now. The guy is unfit for literally every qualifier going back years. Every qualifier. How many more does he have to miss while you live in la la land talking about “little niggles”? It’s got to the point where it feels like there is some bigger issue at work here, whether it’s the player or club or both who knows. At this rate we best hope we qualify for Qatar or by my reckoning we won’t see Ramsey in a Wales shirt ever again. "We’ll, I would try and blame the Denmark defeat on Ramsey but to this day I’m still not sure he was actually on the pitch for that game. It’s hard to see how anyone could have been more anonymous." You could make the same comment about any of the other players - Moore, James, Allen, I can't remember any good moments from them all game. Poor comment. Seeing as Turkey was the only game we won and Ramsey was instrumental in that, I think it's important to flag up how our tournament could have been very different without him. "considering how much he is talked up on here as a world beater 3 anonymous performances out of 4 is very poor indeed." Please point to any recent comment suggesting he's a world beater? Can't? No, didn't think so. He hasn't played like a world beater for a while, but he's still clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the squad (aside from Bale). That's just a recognition that we have a squad of mostly top championship / bottom premiership players, whilst Ramsey is someone who has the quality to play around 250 games for Arsenal and 50 for Juventus. It is the likes of you and the other usual suspects on here who live in la la land thinking that we can drop the likes of Ramsey without it costing us too much. It's why so many of you were hyper-critical after the narrow Nations League wins and some of the performances at the Euros - you expect too much. The stats going round after the Denmark game on top flight appearances (their starting xi had 500+ appearances for top level clubs last season whilst our starting xi was less than 200 I think) spoke volumes, and yet most of our fans had silly expectations. "The guy is unfit for literally every qualifier going back years. Every qualifier." Another person who doesn't understand the definition of the word "literally". You're wrong, We've had 10 qualifiers over the last two campaigns and he's been fit in 2 of them, including scoring both goals in the one that got us to the Euros. Prior to that he played in 7 of the 10 world cup qualifiers. As for your last point, you only need to look at Ramsey's injury record - I'm sure there will be a 100+ occurrences. So yes, they will often coincide with international breaks. Every time he has done so, he's also missed club games. |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 13:53:46 GMT
We’ll, I would try and blame the Denmark defeat on Ramsey but to this day I’m still not sure he was actually on the pitch for that game. It’s hard to see how anyone could have been more anonymous. He had one good game against Turkey, considering how much he is talked up on here as a world beater 3 anonymous performances out of 4 is very poor indeed. In fact if I recall you yourself said he had a very poor tournament along with Bale. And with respect you’ll still be here in 3 years time telling us it’s all still coincidence. The word “coincidence” is being abused enough as it is right now. The guy is unfit for literally every qualifier going back years. Every qualifier. How many more does he have to miss while you live in la la land talking about “little niggles”? It’s got to the point where it feels like there is some bigger issue at work here, whether it’s the player or club or both who knows. At this rate we best hope we qualify for Qatar or by my reckoning we won’t see Ramsey in a Wales shirt ever again. "We’ll, I would try and blame the Denmark defeat on Ramsey but to this day I’m still not sure he was actually on the pitch for that game. It’s hard to see how anyone could have been more anonymous." You could make the same comment about any of the other players - Moore, James, Allen, I can't remember any good moments from them all game. Poor comment. Seeing as Turkey was the only game we won and Ramsey was instrumental in that, I think it's important to flag up how our tournament could have been very different without him. "considering how much he is talked up on here as a world beater 3 anonymous performances out of 4 is very poor indeed." Please point to any recent comment suggesting he's a world beater? Can't? No, didn't think so. He hasn't played like a world beater for a while, but he's still clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the squad (aside from Bale). That's just a recognition that we have a squad of mostly top championship / bottom premiership players, whilst Ramsey is someone who has the quality to play around 250 games for Arsenal and 50 for Juventus. It is the likes of you and the other usual suspects on here who live in la la land thinking that we can drop the likes of Ramsey without it costing us too much. It's why so many of you were hyper-critical after the narrow Nations League wins and some of the performances at the Euros - you expect too much. The stats going round after the Denmark game on top flight appearances (their starting xi had 500+ appearances for top level clubs last season whilst our starting xi was less than 200 I think) spoke volumes, and yet most of our fans had silly expectations. "The guy is unfit for literally every qualifier going back years. Every qualifier." Another person who doesn't understand the definition of the word "literally". You're wrong, We've had 10 qualifiers over the last two campaigns and he's been fit in 2 of them, including scoring both goals in the one that got us to the Euros. Prior to that he played in 7 of the 10 world cup qualifiers. As for your last point, you only need to look at Ramsey's injury record - I'm sure there will be a 100+ occurrences. So yes, they will often coincide with international breaks. Every time he has done so, he's also missed club games. The standard the others are measured by is lower though right? They all don’t carry the reputation that Ramsey has and experience of playing in top level matches, thus he is expected to produce when it matters, the others aren’t. Although personally I’ve never bought into the “big game player” hype about him. He’s largely been inconsistent over the course of his career- for every Hungary at home there is an ROI at home to complement it etc. Consequently I wonder at the psychological reliance we seem to have on him, especially as we have got by without him for so long and it hasn’t hindered our progress in a material sense. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 25, 2021 14:07:05 GMT
Ultimately the conspiracy that he misses games for us intentionally falls down because of the fact that he always misses games for Juve around the international breaks too. To believe Juve want to prevent him from coming to Wales camps so much that they would also prevent him from playing for them, just to carry out a fiction that he's injured is just completely ridiculous, especially when you see how much they are paying him. It doesn't stop people spouting off this rubbish every time he gets injured though, so can't expect much logical thinking on the subject
Talk of dropping him is farcical when you consider how weak our midfield is. What I would say though is that we really should consider his best position for the team. I think we need him in a deeper dictatorial role than as a number 10 - part of the reason he was quiet against Italy, Swiss & Denmark was that our deep midfielders couldn't get him on the ball. Most would agree that it's better to have Ramsey passing to Brooks, than it is to have Morrell passing to Ramsey. So I think that's the answer to our problem. Include our young attackers as number 10s, and play Ramsey deeper. Luckily for us Allegri is training him to do just that
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 14:50:24 GMT
Ultimately the conspiracy that he misses games for us intentionally falls down because of the fact that he always misses games for Juve around the international breaks too. To believe Juve want to prevent him from coming to Wales camps so much that they would also prevent him from playing for them, just to carry out a fiction that he's injured is just completely ridiculous, especially when you see how much they are paying him. It doesn't stop people spouting off this rubbish every time he gets injured though, so can't expect much logical thinking on the subject Talk of dropping him is farcical when you consider how weak our midfield is. What I would say though is that we really should consider his best position for the team. I think we need him in a deeper dictatorial role than as a number 10 - part of the reason he was quiet against Italy, Swiss & Denmark was that our deep midfielders couldn't get him on the ball. Most would agree that it's better to have Ramsey passing to Brooks, than it is to have Morrell passing to Ramsey. So I think that's the answer to our problem. Include our young attackers as number 10s, and play Ramsey deeper. Luckily for us Allegri is training him to do just that Whatever you believe to be a conspiracy is not real the point or the question. I think we are all past this and we have our own opinions - i mean thats what this forum is for yeh. Anyway point being if Ramsey fails to turn up to the remaining qualifiers, should he make the world cup squad in place of someone who has been a regular and/or does he then automatically make the starting 11? What does that tell the rest of the squad? Thats if we qualify - we really need him to have a good chance to qualify. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2021 15:23:11 GMT
Death, taxes, njdragon appearing on this thread after Aaron Ramsey picks up an injury.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 15:32:28 GMT
Death, taxes, njdragon appearing on this thread after Aaron Ramsey picks up an injury. isn't it it you that is afraid to criticise a player in case he reads this forum ... read my comments on here again and get over yourself |
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