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Post by erasedcitizen on Aug 25, 2021 16:15:41 GMT
Death, taxes, njdragon appearing on this thread after Aaron Ramsey picks up an injury. isn't it it you that is afraid to criticise a player in case he reads this forum ... Lol, no? |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 16:16:55 GMT
isn't it it you that is afraid to criticise a player in case he reads this forum ... read my comments on here again and get over yourself Lol, no? must have been the other one |
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Post by insertname on Aug 25, 2021 16:45:23 GMT
Ultimately the conspiracy that he misses games for us intentionally falls down because of the fact that he always misses games for Juve around the international breaks too. To believe Juve want to prevent him from coming to Wales camps so much that they would also prevent him from playing for them, just to carry out a fiction that he's injured is just completely ridiculous, especially when you see how much they are paying him. It doesn't stop people spouting off this rubbish every time he gets injured though, so can't expect much logical thinking on the subject Talk of dropping him is farcical when you consider how weak our midfield is. What I would say though is that we really should consider his best position for the team. I think we need him in a deeper dictatorial role than as a number 10 - part of the reason he was quiet against Italy, Swiss & Denmark was that our deep midfielders couldn't get him on the ball. Most would agree that it's better to have Ramsey passing to Brooks, than it is to have Morrell passing to Ramsey. So I think that's the answer to our problem. Include our young attackers as number 10s, and play Ramsey deeper. Luckily for us Allegri is training him to do just that Ordinarily I would agree but it’s EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game and this has been going on YEARS. And then lo and behold he is miraculously fit for the finals. It’s so contrived it’s unreal. During the Euros I got the vibe that it’s a bit of a joke to other nations as the reporting around the finals seemed to constantly dredge up the stat of how few games he has played for Wales since he moved to Juventus yet magically gets himself fit for the tournament. Yeah he misses Juve games too - so it’s hard to say categorically that his attendance for Wales is being influenced by external parties but then with the metronomic regularity that this is happening it seems like a pattern, caused by what I’m not sure but this latest instance has now got me thinking it’s bigger than just minor niggles imo. It’s not like he’s played the odd game here and there to break the pattern up, it’s literally every time there is a non-tournament game he’s unfit. It’s completely ridiculous. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Aug 25, 2021 18:26:41 GMT
Ultimately the conspiracy that he misses games for us intentionally falls down because of the fact that he always misses games for Juve around the international breaks too. To believe Juve want to prevent him from coming to Wales camps so much that they would also prevent him from playing for them, just to carry out a fiction that he's injured is just completely ridiculous, especially when you see how much they are paying him. It doesn't stop people spouting off this rubbish every time he gets injured though, so can't expect much logical thinking on the subject Talk of dropping him is farcical when you consider how weak our midfield is. What I would say though is that we really should consider his best position for the team. I think we need him in a deeper dictatorial role than as a number 10 - part of the reason he was quiet against Italy, Swiss & Denmark was that our deep midfielders couldn't get him on the ball. Most would agree that it's better to have Ramsey passing to Brooks, than it is to have Morrell passing to Ramsey. So I think that's the answer to our problem. Include our young attackers as number 10s, and play Ramsey deeper. Luckily for us Allegri is training him to do just that Ordinarily I would agree but it’s EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game and this has been going on YEARS. And then lo and behold he is miraculously fit for the finals. It’s so contrived it’s unreal. During the Euros I got the vibe that it’s a bit of a joke to other nations as the reporting around the finals seemed to constantly dredge up the stat of how few games he has played for Wales since he moved to Juventus yet magically gets himself fit for the tournament. Yeah he misses Juve games too - so it’s hard to say categorically that his attendance for Wales is being influenced by external parties but then with the metronomic regularity that this is happening it seems like a pattern, caused by what I’m not sure but this latest instance has now got me thinking it’s bigger than just minor niggles imo. It’s not like he’s played the odd game here and there to break the pattern up, it’s literally every time there is a non-tournament game he’s unfit. It’s completely ridiculous. But as you say he misses games for Juve so it just has to be an unfortunate experience Let's not forget injuries have happened at times after he's turned up for us as well. He turned up for Ireland away in the Nations League, did an interview with the FAW ahead of the Bulgaria game about how good it was to be back, then got injured in training and didn't get to play the next one. It happens and I think he's just very unlucky - unless Juve are intentionally forcing him to miss games to keep up a fiction which is just a non-starter in reality |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 18:28:45 GMT
Ultimately the conspiracy that he misses games for us intentionally falls down because of the fact that he always misses games for Juve around the international breaks too. To believe Juve want to prevent him from coming to Wales camps so much that they would also prevent him from playing for them, just to carry out a fiction that he's injured is just completely ridiculous, especially when you see how much they are paying him. It doesn't stop people spouting off this rubbish every time he gets injured though, so can't expect much logical thinking on the subject Talk of dropping him is farcical when you consider how weak our midfield is. What I would say though is that we really should consider his best position for the team. I think we need him in a deeper dictatorial role than as a number 10 - part of the reason he was quiet against Italy, Swiss & Denmark was that our deep midfielders couldn't get him on the ball. Most would agree that it's better to have Ramsey passing to Brooks, than it is to have Morrell passing to Ramsey. So I think that's the answer to our problem. Include our young attackers as number 10s, and play Ramsey deeper. Luckily for us Allegri is training him to do just that Ordinarily I would agree but it’s EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game and this has been going on YEARS. And then lo and behold he is miraculously fit for the finals. It’s so contrived it’s unreal. During the Euros I got the vibe that it’s a bit of a joke to other nations as the reporting around the finals seemed to constantly dredge up the stat of how few games he has played for Wales since he moved to Juventus yet magically gets himself fit for the tournament. Yeah he misses Juve games too - so it’s hard to say categorically that his attendance for Wales is being influenced by external parties but then with the metronomic regularity that this is happening it seems like a pattern, caused by what I’m not sure but this latest instance has now got me thinking it’s bigger than just minor niggles imo. It’s not like he’s played the odd game here and there to break the pattern up, it’s literally every time there is a non-tournament game he’s unfit. It’s completely ridiculous. Not sure why you're repeating a lie you've already been called out on. It's not "EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game... going on YEARS". He played twice in the last qualifiers, he played in the nations league, and he played in 7/10 of the last WC qualifiers. Latest reports are, depending on Juve's further medical examinations in a few days time, we hope to get him back for Estonia. If he misses this next Juve game but flies over to make our game against Estonia, will that shut people up? |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 25, 2021 19:10:52 GMT
Ordinarily I would agree but it’s EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game and this has been going on YEARS. And then lo and behold he is miraculously fit for the finals. It’s so contrived it’s unreal. During the Euros I got the vibe that it’s a bit of a joke to other nations as the reporting around the finals seemed to constantly dredge up the stat of how few games he has played for Wales since he moved to Juventus yet magically gets himself fit for the tournament. Yeah he misses Juve games too - so it’s hard to say categorically that his attendance for Wales is being influenced by external parties but then with the metronomic regularity that this is happening it seems like a pattern, caused by what I’m not sure but this latest instance has now got me thinking it’s bigger than just minor niggles imo. It’s not like he’s played the odd game here and there to break the pattern up, it’s literally every time there is a non-tournament game he’s unfit. It’s completely ridiculous. Not sure why you're repeating a lie you've already been called out on. It's not "EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game... going on YEARS". He played twice in the last qualifiers, he played in the nations league, and he played in 7/10 of the last WC qualifiers. Latest reports are, depending on Juve's further medical examinations in a few days time, we hope to get him back for Estonia. If he misses this next Juve game but flies over to make our game against Estonia, will that shut people up? For the Euro qualifiers he played 30 mins against Azerbaijan and 90 mins against Hungary (1 double header). that was it. Since then he played 1 other game (Ireland in Nov 2020) and then missed all 6 matches before joining the euros camp (june 2021) pre euros his last friendly was against albania in Nov 2018 We have played 21 games in between that match and the euros |
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Post by iot on Aug 25, 2021 19:17:21 GMT
Not sure why you're repeating a lie you've already been called out on. It's not "EVERY FREAKING non-tournament game... going on YEARS". He played twice in the last qualifiers, he played in the nations league, and he played in 7/10 of the last WC qualifiers. Latest reports are, depending on Juve's further medical examinations in a few days time, we hope to get him back for Estonia. If he misses this next Juve game but flies over to make our game against Estonia, will that shut people up? For the Euro qualifiers he played 30 mins against Azerbaijan and 90 mins against Hungary (1 double header). that was it. Since then he played 1 other game (Ireland in Nov 2020) and then missed all 6 matches before joining the euros camp (june 2021) pre euros his last friendly was against albania in Nov 2018 We have played 21 games in between that match and the euros Yes, I know all about the games he's missed as a result of injury thanks. It's the lies and ill-thought out accusations I take issue with. Anyway, sounds like the Welsh and Juve medical teams have been in close communications these past couple of days and efforts are being made to get him in for the Estonia game. Let's hope he makes it. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 6, 2021 6:52:43 GMT
Anyone have an update on his injury, said they were looking at trying to get him for Estonia game?
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 6, 2021 9:12:24 GMT
Anyone have an update on his injury, said they were looking at trying to get him for Estonia game? We desperately need him fit for Czech game. Lose it and we're probably relying on the very difficult nations league play off route. Draw it and we're in pole position for a much better play off route. Win it and we potentially set up the biggest night in Welsh football memory. A winner takes all final game clash with Belgium. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 6, 2021 9:14:19 GMT
Anyone have an update on his injury, said they were looking at trying to get him for Estonia game? We desperately need him fit for Czech game. Lose it and we're probably relying on the very difficult nations league play off route. Draw it and we're in pole position for a much better play off route. Win it and we potentially set up the biggest night in Welsh football memory. A winner takes all final game clash with Belgium. yes we needed him yesterday too but big call for him for the czech game. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 6, 2021 11:07:02 GMT
We desperately need him fit for Czech game. Lose it and we're probably relying on the very difficult nations league play off route. Draw it and we're in pole position for a much better play off route. Win it and we potentially set up the biggest night in Welsh football memory. A winner takes all final game clash with Belgium. yes we needed him yesterday too but big call for him for the czech game. Yes, we certainly needed the Euro2016 hero, Hungary and Turkey game Ramsey yesterday, not the ineffectual Ramsey of quite a few others over the years. Has he ever really got 100% over that Shawcross foul/injury? |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 6, 2021 11:10:38 GMT
yes we needed him yesterday too but big call for him for the czech game. Yes, we certainly needed the Euro2016 hero, Hungary and Turkey game Ramsey yesterday, not the ineffectual Ramsey of quite a few others over the years. Has he ever really got 100% over that Shawcross foul/injury? ask any Arsenal fan - they'd have him back in a heart beat! |
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Post by dai on Sept 6, 2021 15:30:50 GMT
Anyone have an update on his injury, said they were looking at trying to get him for Estonia game? |
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Post by insertname on Sept 6, 2021 15:46:07 GMT
Anyone have an update on his injury, said they were looking at trying to get him for Estonia game? Never in doubt really was it? It all felt like a bit of a fluff piece to try and put a positive spin on the situation. Let’s be fair Juventus would never let him make his first comeback after an injury be in an international game. Be interesting to see if he’s fit at the weekend. |
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Post by iot on Sept 6, 2021 15:52:54 GMT
I think Juventus' original statement said that he would have another scan after 10 days to see if he'd made a full recovery (that 10 days is probably around now). Up to you whether you choose to believe that.
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Post by johnoster on Sept 6, 2021 16:27:24 GMT
My favourite Wales player of this generation, but he's gone off my radar now.
Genuinely don't expect him to play in any qualifiers for us.
Shame as he should have gone down as a legend.
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Post by hal on Sept 6, 2021 16:32:11 GMT
My favourite Wales player of this generation, but he's gone off my radar now. Genuinely don't expect him to play in any qualifiers for us. Shame as he should have gone down as a legend. Spot on in regards to my favourite player too. He was the stand out player in the 2016 Euros and i genuinely believe if he was fit we would have beat Portugal. However, surely it cannot be a coincidence that every game before international break he gets injured. I struggle massively to believe it’s just unlucky. 1 or 2 fair enough, but not every single squad selection. And then for the euros he has 4 weeks away from Juventus and is fully fit to play? Very very strange. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 6, 2021 16:37:13 GMT
I'll always believe had that thug Shawcross not broken his leg then Ramsey would have been one of the best in the world
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Post by insertname on Sept 6, 2021 17:57:49 GMT
I think Juventus' original statement said that he would have another scan after 10 days to see if he'd made a full recovery (that 10 days is probably around now). Up to you whether you choose to believe that. But that’s exactly it, given the timing of the scan vs the Estonia game it’s hardly likely Juventus would be happy to see him hop straight off the table at the scan on to the pitch for his country. That’s why to me it seemed like tacking a piece of hopeful news on to sweeten the by now typical report of another injury. Just like it was nailed on he would be fit for the Euros it feels like it’s becoming nailed on that we’re building up to his next appearance in a Wales shirt being a winner takes all game against Belgium in the final fixture where he’ll be treated like the prodigal son, Wilson will be on the bench and Williams (who has played a significant role in our progress of late) will miss out completely. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 6, 2021 18:02:50 GMT
My favourite Wales player of this generation, but he's gone off my radar now. Genuinely don't expect him to play in any qualifiers for us. Shame as he should have gone down as a legend. Spot on in regards to my favourite player too. He was the stand out player in the 2016 Euros and i genuinely believe if he was fit we would have beat Portugal. However, surely it cannot be a coincidence that every game before international break he gets injured. I struggle massively to believe it’s just unlucky. 1 or 2 fair enough, but not every single squad selection. And then for the euros he has 4 weeks away from Juventus and is fully fit to play? Very very strange. Exactly my thoughts, I get that he missed games for Juve, but the sheer regularity of his injuries just before international windows seems to go way beyond sheer bad luck and then you throw in that in amongst those missed qualifiers he was fit for the two most prestigious circumstances, Hungary and the Euros (the Euros where he was fit for 4 consecutive fixtures) and putting all that together it seems just too unlikely to be coincidence. And for the record I’m not insinuating any particularly conspiracy just saying that there is something not right, a bigger picture issue of whatever description simply because of the regularity of missed qualifiers vs attendance for key games. It just seems to go beyond random chance into being a predictable pattern. |
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Post by quetzal on Sept 6, 2021 18:41:06 GMT
My favourite Wales player of this generation, but he's gone off my radar now. Genuinely don't expect him to play in any qualifiers for us. Shame as he should have gone down as a legend. This. If he plays it’s a bonus but expect him not too. He’ll be so disappointed not to get 100 caps. It was there for him. |
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Post by hooky on Sept 6, 2021 19:04:17 GMT
He cares about us. Just those damn injuries thanks as highlighted to that lout Shawcross.
Saw ironic that it had to be a turncoat like him to do him so much damage.
Also ironic that Shawcross' career went slowly downhill after that moment.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Sept 6, 2021 19:16:17 GMT
He could still have a big part to play in the next 10 weeks and even if that's not enough then he could be the difference come March.
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 6, 2021 19:44:17 GMT
Locatelli will be first choice in the regista role for Juventus now?
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Post by iot on Sept 6, 2021 21:29:31 GMT
I think Juventus' original statement said that he would have another scan after 10 days to see if he'd made a full recovery (that 10 days is probably around now). Up to you whether you choose to believe that. But that’s exactly it, given the timing of the scan vs the Estonia game it’s hardly likely Juventus would be happy to see him hop straight off the table at the scan on to the pitch for his country. That’s why to me it seemed like tacking a piece of hopeful news on to sweeten the by now typical report of another injury. Just like it was nailed on he would be fit for the Euros it feels like it’s becoming nailed on that we’re building up to his next appearance in a Wales shirt being a winner takes all game against Belgium in the final fixture where he’ll be treated like the prodigal son, Wilson will be on the bench and Williams (who has played a significant role in our progress of late) will miss out completely. You're mistaken - the situation you describe would never happen did, in fact, happen last year in the Ireland away fixture. Rambo was ruled out initially with an injury and missed a game for Juve, but then came back earlier than expected and flew over to join the squad once he proved his fitness: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-hit-fresh-blow-aaron-19228035www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54479348 But that doesn't fit the narrative. It also shows up some of the amateur detective nonsense that comes up here. And spare me the faux outrage about the unfairness of him coming back in instead of Wilson or Jonny when he regains his fitness, it's so irritating. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 6, 2021 21:42:31 GMT
But that’s exactly it, given the timing of the scan vs the Estonia game it’s hardly likely Juventus would be happy to see him hop straight off the table at the scan on to the pitch for his country. That’s why to me it seemed like tacking a piece of hopeful news on to sweeten the by now typical report of another injury. Just like it was nailed on he would be fit for the Euros it feels like it’s becoming nailed on that we’re building up to his next appearance in a Wales shirt being a winner takes all game against Belgium in the final fixture where he’ll be treated like the prodigal son, Wilson will be on the bench and Williams (who has played a significant role in our progress of late) will miss out completely. You're mistaken - the situation you describe would never happen did, in fact, happen last year in the Ireland away fixture. Rambo was ruled out initially with an injury and missed a game for Juve, but then came back earlier than expected and flew over to join the squad once he proved his fitness: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-hit-fresh-blow-aaron-19228035www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54479348 But that doesn't fit the narrative. It also shows up some of the amateur detective nonsense that comes up here. And spare me the faux outrage about the unfairness of him coming back in instead of Wilson or Jonny when he regains his fitness, it's so irritating. Yes but YOU fail to mention he then suddenly became injured again when the squad were due to travel to Bulgaria a few days later. Recovered in time for juventus champions league game 6 days later though. Read your own bloody article you shared he wasn’t injured was in a covid bubble, which others didn’t adhere to. He did. Turned up for one game then left the camp apparently injured - played the 90 Though. ** those 2 articles you shared are related to 2 different games - away and home. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 7, 2021 2:12:03 GMT
You're mistaken - the situation you describe would never happen did, in fact, happen last year in the Ireland away fixture. Rambo was ruled out initially with an injury and missed a game for Juve, but then came back earlier than expected and flew over to join the squad once he proved his fitness: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-hit-fresh-blow-aaron-19228035www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54479348 But that doesn't fit the narrative. It also shows up some of the amateur detective nonsense that comes up here. And spare me the faux outrage about the unfairness of him coming back in instead of Wilson or Jonny when he regains his fitness, it's so irritating. Yes but YOU fail to mention he then suddenly became injured again when the squad were due to travel to Bulgaria a few days later. Recovered in time for juventus champions league game 6 days later though. Read your own bloody article you shared he wasn’t injured was in a covid bubble, which others didn’t adhere to. He did. Turned up for one game then left the camp apparently injured - played the 90 Though. ** those 2 articles you shared are related to 2 different games - away and home. A 6 day injury, ruling him out of travelling to a country in the wilds of Europe but not serious enough to stop him returning to domestic football immediately…you would have to say that Carlsberg don’t do injuries, but if they did…. |
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Post by iot on Sept 7, 2021 6:32:27 GMT
You're mistaken - the situation you describe would never happen did, in fact, happen last year in the Ireland away fixture. Rambo was ruled out initially with an injury and missed a game for Juve, but then came back earlier than expected and flew over to join the squad once he proved his fitness: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-hit-fresh-blow-aaron-19228035www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54479348 But that doesn't fit the narrative. It also shows up some of the amateur detective nonsense that comes up here. And spare me the faux outrage about the unfairness of him coming back in instead of Wilson or Jonny when he regains his fitness, it's so irritating. Yes but YOU fail to mention he then suddenly became injured again when the squad were due to travel to Bulgaria a few days later. Recovered in time for juventus champions league game 6 days later though. Read your own bloody article you shared he wasn’t injured was in a covid bubble, which others didn’t adhere to. He did. Turned up for one game then left the camp apparently injured - played the 90 Though. ** those 2 articles you shared are related to 2 different games - away and home. Fair enough, I remembered him being originally out of the ireland game only to come back in - i thought it was because of injury, but you're right it was covid related. And you're right, they were two different international windows - doh! I hold my hands up, had a 'mare there - that'll teach me from rushing my comments in defence of our Rambo! |
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Post by gwernybwch on Sept 7, 2021 7:02:29 GMT
But that’s exactly it, given the timing of the scan vs the Estonia game it’s hardly likely Juventus would be happy to see him hop straight off the table at the scan on to the pitch for his country. That’s why to me it seemed like tacking a piece of hopeful news on to sweeten the by now typical report of another injury. Just like it was nailed on he would be fit for the Euros it feels like it’s becoming nailed on that we’re building up to his next appearance in a Wales shirt being a winner takes all game against Belgium in the final fixture where he’ll be treated like the prodigal son, Wilson will be on the bench and Williams (who has played a significant role in our progress of late) will miss out completely. You're mistaken - the situation you describe would never happen did, in fact, happen last year in the Ireland away fixture. Rambo was ruled out initially with an injury and missed a game for Juve, but then came back earlier than expected and flew over to join the squad once he proved his fitness: www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/wales-hit-fresh-blow-aaron-19228035www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54479348 But that doesn't fit the narrative. It also shows up some of the amateur detective nonsense that comes up here. And spare me the faux outrage about the unfairness of him coming back in instead of Wilson or Jonny when he regains his fitness, it's so irritating. It might not be faux outrage, but surely we at the point now where Ramsey's absence (and reappearance) is having an effect on the team? If a player had put in the hard yards in only to get dropped because Ramsey was available, surely it would effect their morale and even their performance? Which would then affect the morale of others? And then to see that he walks back straight back into the team and give a poor (by his standards) performance? Surely all this changing team / system to accommodate Ramsey, has an impact on the fluidity of the team? |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 7, 2021 7:06:46 GMT
Yes but YOU fail to mention he then suddenly became injured again when the squad were due to travel to Bulgaria a few days later. Recovered in time for juventus champions league game 6 days later though. Read your own bloody article you shared he wasn’t injured was in a covid bubble, which others didn’t adhere to. He did. Turned up for one game then left the camp apparently injured - played the 90 Though. ** those 2 articles you shared are related to 2 different games - away and home. Fair enough, I remembered him being originally out of the ireland game only to come back in - i thought it was because of injury, but you're right it was covid related. And you're right, they were two different international windows - doh! I hold my hands up, had a 'mare there - that'll teach me from rushing my comments in defence of our Rambo! haha none of us know though i suppose, he could well be injured! Think the one thing we can all agree on is that we miss him in a welsh shirt - he is a fantastic player |
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