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Post by jimexotic on Sept 14, 2021 22:57:38 GMT
He's got less than 4 weeks to stay fit.....
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Post by saturn9 on Sept 19, 2021 19:49:13 GMT
On the bench again for Juve tonight. Don't think Allegri rates him as high as we do/did.
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Post by hooky on Sept 19, 2021 21:09:52 GMT
Unused sub
Unbelievable how we have ended up with a largely non-playing or injury prone first eleven !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by jimexotic on Sept 19, 2021 23:16:35 GMT
Give it time, Juve are in a bit of a mess at the moment, I think he'll get a few chances soon. There's some class talent in that Juve eleven and on the bench and he's not long back from injury.
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 22, 2021 19:34:08 GMT
Aaron on the bench tonight but didn't come on again.
Allegri playing 442 now
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Post by insertname on Sept 23, 2021 0:10:23 GMT
Sub goalkeeper level of involvement for global superstar level wages. Ramsey’s got life whipped at the moment- fair play to him.
Interestingly the Juventus fans who wanted him out and thought Allegri is God are starting to go the other way now, with some annoyance expressed at Allegri for keeping him on the bench tonight given the midfielders he put out on the pitch. I guess from a Wales point of view the less he plays the better?
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Post by dai on Sept 26, 2021 10:57:21 GMT
From the rumour mill this morning:
'Juventus are prepared to sell Wales midfielder Aaron Ramsey, 30, in January - with West Ham, Everton and Newcastle United interested'
If we are to be honest, that's probably his level right now given his injuries and form. Hope it happens because I don't think he'll be getting much of a look-in at Juve anymore.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 26, 2021 11:22:49 GMT
From the rumour mill this morning: 'Juventus are prepared to sell Wales midfielder Aaron Ramsey, 30, in January - with West Ham, Everton and Newcastle United interested' If we are to be honest, that's probably his level right now given his injuries and form. Hope it happens because I don't think he'll be getting much of a look-in at Juve anymore. Newcastle were interested in the summer as well, I really hope he doesn't go there |
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 26, 2021 12:27:36 GMT
BRB gonna buy a Juve Ramsey shirt
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 26, 2021 13:09:00 GMT
From the rumour mill this morning: 'Juventus are prepared to sell Wales midfielder Aaron Ramsey, 30, in January - with West Ham, Everton and Newcastle United interested' If we are to be honest, that's probably his level right now given his injuries and form. Hope it happens because I don't think he'll be getting much of a look-in at Juve anymore. Mid-table has been his level since the latter few seasons of his career at Arsenal, which is why Juve was completely surprising. Putting in a couple of 10/10 performances every spring & summer doesn't really merit top-level football. Fingers crossed he can get himself into Everton, but with Allan & Doucoure firmly established there, I wouldn't expect him to be playing every game. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 26, 2021 16:00:50 GMT
From the rumour mill this morning: 'Juventus are prepared to sell Wales midfielder Aaron Ramsey, 30, in January - with West Ham, Everton and Newcastle United interested' If we are to be honest, that's probably his level right now given his injuries and form. Hope it happens because I don't think he'll be getting much of a look-in at Juve anymore. Mid-table has been his level since the latter few seasons of his career at Arsenal, which is why Juve was completely surprising. Putting in a couple of 10/10 performances every spring & summer doesn't really merit top-level football. Fingers crossed he can get himself into Everton, but with Allan & Doucoure firmly established there, I wouldn't expect him to be playing every game. This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 26, 2021 16:04:11 GMT
He was worth £40m or something at the time of the free transfer to Juve...
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 26, 2021 16:13:03 GMT
Mid-table has been his level since the latter few seasons of his career at Arsenal, which is why Juve was completely surprising. Putting in a couple of 10/10 performances every spring & summer doesn't really merit top-level football. Fingers crossed he can get himself into Everton, but with Allan & Doucoure firmly established there, I wouldn't expect him to be playing every game. This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. It's not revisionism at all, Gooners were glad to see the back of him at the time because he was inconsistent and injured all the time. The only bitterness they felt was the fact he left on a free. To my memory, he'd start off the first few months of the season well, fall off the radar and then reappear in good form towards the end of the season. This isn't the sort of player you can afford to build your team around if you're chasing European football in an increasingly competitive league. |
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2021 16:24:50 GMT
This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. It's not revisionism at all, Gooners were glad to see the back of him at the time because he was inconsistent and injured all the time. The only bitterness they felt was the fact he left on a free. To my memory, he'd start off the first few months of the season well, fall off the radar and then reappear in good form towards the end of the season. This isn't the sort of player you can afford to build your team around if you're chasing European football in an increasingly competitive league. You do know it's the fans who vote for the player of the season, right? So you think "Gooners were glad to see the back of him" when they'd just voted him as their best player that year? There's nothing wrong with admitting when you get things wrong, there's no need to double down. |
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 26, 2021 16:26:43 GMT
It's not revisionism at all, Gooners were glad to see the back of him at the time because he was inconsistent and injured all the time. The only bitterness they felt was the fact he left on a free. To my memory, he'd start off the first few months of the season well, fall off the radar and then reappear in good form towards the end of the season. This isn't the sort of player you can afford to build your team around if you're chasing European football in an increasingly competitive league. You do know it's the fans who vote for the player of the season, right? So you think "Gooners were glad to see the back of him" when they'd just voted him as their best player that year? There's nothing wrong with admitting when you get things wrong, there's no need to double down. Nothing wrong with admitting I'm wrong? Why are you so desperate to be right? He was moaned about for his inconsistency for years. |
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2021 16:26:56 GMT
Also, the Juve move wasn't completely surprising at all. In fact, he had offers from Barca and a host of other major clubs at the time. So his own fans, at a top 6 club, vote for him as their best player, and the biggest clubs in the world want to purchase him.
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Post by insertname on Sept 26, 2021 16:46:52 GMT
Mid-table has been his level since the latter few seasons of his career at Arsenal, which is why Juve was completely surprising. Putting in a couple of 10/10 performances every spring & summer doesn't really merit top-level football. Fingers crossed he can get himself into Everton, but with Allan & Doucoure firmly established there, I wouldn't expect him to be playing every game. This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. That’s still not Juventus or Barcelona level though, as many said at the time when it was announced that he would be paid ludicrous amounts compared to his skill level and entirely predictably, it’s proved to be a somewhat chastening experience for pretty much all involved, Ramsey’s bank balance being the only thing that seems to have really benefitted. Not that there is any shame in that, it was a bit of a daft move to pay a player his transfer fee and that’s on Juventus. It’s hard to see him moving to a really competitive club after this- Everton or West Ham, the improving sides who are just outside the elite, would be a good fit for both club and player although given Ramsey’s injury record I’d be very surprised if he is able to negotiate a decent contract with such a club while international football is on the agenda. When he does eventually move (which given his lack of involvement at the moment must surely be end of this season at the latest) I’d be expecting international retirement after Wales involvement in the tournament cycle at that time comes to an end. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 26, 2021 17:00:22 GMT
It's not revisionism at all, Gooners were glad to see the back of him at the time because he was inconsistent and injured all the time. The only bitterness they felt was the fact he left on a free. To my memory, he'd start off the first few months of the season well, fall off the radar and then reappear in good form towards the end of the season. This isn't the sort of player you can afford to build your team around if you're chasing European football in an increasingly competitive league. You do know it's the fans who vote for the player of the season, right? So you think "Gooners were glad to see the back of him" when they'd just voted him as their best player that year? There's nothing wrong with admitting when you get things wrong, there's no need to double down. Maybe they considered him the best of a bad bunch and thought they would replace him with better? Certainly there didn’t seem to be heartbreak on their forums when he left from what I saw. Arsenal fans have had a love/hate relationship with him on social media from what I’ve seen, I certainly have never got the impression that he was particularly fêted by them. When he left the tone seemed to be “good servant and great player on his day but those days aren’t as regular as they should be and we’re confident that we can unearth a better talent in replacement”, which they obviously didn’t but imo that’s not because a club like Arsenal couldn’t improve on him, the club was and still is being run like a car boot sale. He certainly judged the future direction of the club perfectly when he decided to run down his contract. |
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2021 17:02:01 GMT
This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. That’s still not Juventus or Barcelona level though, as many said at the time when it was announced that he would be paid ludicrous amounts compared to his skill level and entirely predictably, it’s proved to be a somewhat chastening experience for pretty much all involved, Ramsey’s bank balance being the only thing that seems to have really benefitted. Not that there is any shame in that, it was a bit of a daft move to pay a player his transfer fee and that’s on Juventus. It’s hard to see him moving to a really competitive club after this- Everton or West Ham, the improving sides who are just outside the elite, would be a good fit for both club and player although given Ramsey’s injury record I’d be very surprised if he is able to negotiate a decent contract with such a club while international football is on the agenda. When he does eventually move (which given his lack of involvement at the moment must surely be end of this season at the latest) I’d be expecting international retirement after Wales involvement in the tournament cycle at that time comes to an end. Re your last statement, I would be willing to put good money on that not being the case  |
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2021 17:11:58 GMT
You do know it's the fans who vote for the player of the season, right? So you think "Gooners were glad to see the back of him" when they'd just voted him as their best player that year? There's nothing wrong with admitting when you get things wrong, there's no need to double down. Maybe they considered him the best of a bad bunch and thought they would replace him with better? Certainly there didn’t seem to be heartbreak on their forums when he left from what I saw. Arsenal fans have had a love/hate relationship with him on social media from what I’ve seen, I certainly have never got the impression that he was particularly fêted by them. When he left the tone seemed to be “good servant and great player on his day but those days aren’t as regular as they should be and we’re confident that we can unearth a better talent in replacement”, which they obviously didn’t but imo that’s not because a club like Arsenal couldn’t improve on him, the club was and still is being run like a car boot sale. He certainly judged the future direction of the club perfectly when he decided to run down his contract. A lot of them were gutted. He had a lot of support and was a favourite for a big chunk of the fanbase, but you're right on the love/hate bit - there was another chunk that never seemed to take to him, mostly because of injury record and the way he plays. Some fans never take to flair players because it's such a high risk / high reward style where he often tries flicks and goes for the elaborate, which obviously doesn't always come off. I think you misread their mood at the time - there was a whole load more nuance and variance within their fanbase than you've assumed. Some didn't mind it too much, others were absolutely gutted. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 26, 2021 17:12:42 GMT
That’s still not Juventus or Barcelona level though, as many said at the time when it was announced that he would be paid ludicrous amounts compared to his skill level and entirely predictably, it’s proved to be a somewhat chastening experience for pretty much all involved, Ramsey’s bank balance being the only thing that seems to have really benefitted. Not that there is any shame in that, it was a bit of a daft move to pay a player his transfer fee and that’s on Juventus. It’s hard to see him moving to a really competitive club after this- Everton or West Ham, the improving sides who are just outside the elite, would be a good fit for both club and player although given Ramsey’s injury record I’d be very surprised if he is able to negotiate a decent contract with such a club while international football is on the agenda. When he does eventually move (which given his lack of involvement at the moment must surely be end of this season at the latest) I’d be expecting international retirement after Wales involvement in the tournament cycle at that time comes to an end. Re your last statement, I would be willing to put good money on that not being the case We’ll have to wait and see! But would you, as say the chairman of a club that’s sitting around 6th, 7th or 8th, be willing to make Ramsey one of your highest paid players with his injury record, knowing that he could be playing up to 8 ancillary games a season that could injure him for a significant portion? For those clubs there will be other options with less experience but more potential and less injury risk. I just can’t see anyone forking out the kind of wages he would be looking for with the dangers that international football would pose. |
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Post by insertname on Sept 26, 2021 17:19:14 GMT
Maybe they considered him the best of a bad bunch and thought they would replace him with better? Certainly there didn’t seem to be heartbreak on their forums when he left from what I saw. Arsenal fans have had a love/hate relationship with him on social media from what I’ve seen, I certainly have never got the impression that he was particularly fêted by them. When he left the tone seemed to be “good servant and great player on his day but those days aren’t as regular as they should be and we’re confident that we can unearth a better talent in replacement”, which they obviously didn’t but imo that’s not because a club like Arsenal couldn’t improve on him, the club was and still is being run like a car boot sale. He certainly judged the future direction of the club perfectly when he decided to run down his contract. A lot of them were gutted. He had a lot of support and was a favourite for a big chunk of the fanbase, but you're right on the love/hate bit - there was another chunk that never seemed to take to him, mostly because of injury record and the way he plays. Some fans never take to flair players because it's such a high risk / high reward style where he often tries flicks and goes for the elaborate, which obviously doesn't always come off. I think you misread their mood at the time - there was a whole load more nuance and variance within their fanbase than you've assumed. Some didn't mind it too much, others were absolutely gutted. Yeah there were obviously ones who did rate him and saw his departure as a loss but the point I’m making is that putting those two polar opposite opinions together it formed a collective shrug of the shoulders. It certainly wasn’t anywhere near a majority view that the club was doing the right thing by offering him a huge contract to stay, because they felt they could (and should) be doing better (and plenty were laughing when the found out what he would be earning at Juventus rather than making the case that he was worth that money). But that’s Arsenal fans for you- they seem to judge their current team by the standards of Wenger’s group when they were winning the league when really they’ve been in decline and aren’t really an elite tier club anymore. I daresay in hindsight they see Ramsey’s departure as a loss! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 26, 2021 17:29:39 GMT
This is some strange revisionism, Ramsey was easily one of Arsenal's best players in his last few years there and they were a top 6 side, he even won their player of the season the season before he left. It's not revisionism at all, Gooners were glad to see the back of him at the time because he was inconsistent and injured all the time. The only bitterness they felt was the fact he left on a free. To my memory, he'd start off the first few months of the season well, fall off the radar and then reappear in good form towards the end of the season. This isn't the sort of player you can afford to build your team around if you're chasing European football in an increasingly competitive league. The same fans that voted him player of the season and were angry he left on a free? |
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Post by iot on Sept 26, 2021 17:30:52 GMT
Re your last statement, I would be willing to put good money on that not being the case We’ll have to wait and see! But would you, as say the chairman of a club that’s sitting around 6th, 7th or 8th, be willing to make Ramsey one of your highest paid players with his injury record, knowing that he could be playing up to 8 ancillary games a season that could injure him for a significant portion? For those clubs there will be other options with less experience but more potential and less injury risk. I just can’t see anyone forking out the kind of wages he would be looking for with the dangers that international football would pose. Yeah agree it's going to be difficult now. Until recently, the risk/reward justified it because the long injury layoffs would be worth the 2-3 months of world class form that could make a significant difference to league position and winning competitions. But we haven't seen that sustained period of world class form since he's joined Juve, it's just been a few world class performances here and there such as the one vs Barca last season and then the one against Turkey. So there hasn't been enough reward, but the ability is still there and there may be managers at top 6 (maybe even higher) who think they can bring it out of him. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Sept 26, 2021 17:46:17 GMT
Can't see many top clubs taking a punt on our Aaron again. Too many sicknotes on his CV for the wages he'll be wanting.
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 26, 2021 17:49:16 GMT
Well only one solution then. Cardiff! |
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 28, 2021 17:42:26 GMT
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Post by dai on Sept 28, 2021 18:13:27 GMT
Think he will end up in the MLS after Juve. With his insane salary and glass like body, I can't see a top flight side coming in for him.
He'll be 31 this December, I wonder if he thinks 'f*ck it, I haven't got many years left, may as well just play through the injuries now'. He cannot be picking up severe injuries because he's usually back within a few weeks.
The other argument for his Welsh commitment, why would he break his back to come and play shite football under Page?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 28, 2021 18:35:04 GMT
Why would he miss games for Juve if he's fine?
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Post by dai on Sept 28, 2021 18:42:07 GMT
Why would he miss games for Juve if he's fine? Who says he is fine? He's obviously out for a reason. But my point still stands. We don't know the severity of each of his injuries. But he's normally out for a few weeks at a time, so can't be anything serious. A footballers' career is quite short, so why not play through some minor knocks and niggles? I also wonder if he has a sort of psychological issue regarding getting injured now. All those injuries taking a toll on his career will be affecting him mentally. Didn't Mourinho say something similar in regards to Bale and injuries when at Spurs? |
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