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Post by iot on Sept 28, 2021 18:49:11 GMT
So frustrating, he's only played about 20 minutes in the last month, so he must have done it in training fuck sakes
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Post by cynonvalley on Sept 28, 2021 18:49:51 GMT
"Only Ramsey, who has a little annoyance, will be missing" - Gazzetta dello Sport
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Post by cadno on Sept 28, 2021 19:31:01 GMT
Like I said before, we'll see him at the World Cup next year if we qualify! Otherwise we might have to wait until Euro 2024 before we see him in a Wales shirt again!
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Post by insertname on Sept 28, 2021 22:41:31 GMT
Think he will end up in the MLS after Juve. With his insane salary and glass like body, I can't see a top flight side coming in for him. He'll be 31 this December, I wonder if he thinks 'f*ck it, I haven't got many years left, may as well just play through the injuries now'. He cannot be picking up severe injuries because he's usually back within a few weeks. The other argument for his Welsh commitment, why would he break his back to come and play shite football under Page? Who’s going to offer him a contract if this pantomime carries on? He could be something of a marquee signing for someone (is he really that big a name for the US market?) but for clubs who prioritise signings in that way the one criteria is that they have to play- and he can’t. The crunch time will be when he needs a new contract from somewhere, so either next March or the March after (forget when his Juve deal runs out) we’ll see how often he can stay fit because he will need to in order to encourage the next mugs club to pony up for a contract. Saying that, given how much he’s made at Juve you’d think he wouldn’t need any more and would just jack it all in, but despite the massive warning potential over the course of their careers footballers seem to always need that one last contract to add another couple of ones to the ‘tens of millions’ column just to see them through to retirement. Chairmen beware. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 28, 2021 22:42:20 GMT
Why would he miss games for Juve if he's fine? But my point still stands. We don't know the severity of each of his injuries. But he's normally out for a few weeks at a time, so can't be anything serious. A footballers' career is quite short, so why not play through some minor knocks and niggles? I also wonder if he has a sort of psychological issue regarding getting injured now. All those injuries taking a toll on his career will be affecting him mentally. Didn't Mourinho say something similar in regards to Bale and injuries when at Spurs? That's my point |
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Post by insertname on Sept 28, 2021 22:47:24 GMT
So frustrating, he's only played about 20 minutes in the last month, so he must have done it in training fuck sakes Again it makes one wonder what is going on behind the scenes there. Hardly plays this season, played the last 20 minutes of their last game yet somehow injured again. That sort of thing is certainly not sustainable, it will be against the trades description act to even describe him as a footballer by Christmas if he keeps on picking up niggle after niggle that means he’s never fit. I’m sure it’s entirely coincidental but you still can’t beat the irony of this being announced on the day that we name him in our squad. It’s the new normal for Wales though so c’est la vie. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 1, 2021 8:24:14 GMT
Read a couple of articles yesterday:
1. Ramsey was training and left out of the Juve squad as had some muscle fatigue - so not an injury but tiredness. Expect him to be joining us then as he hasn't pulled out.
2. Juve article questioning why Ramey has been called up for us as has he hasn't played much for them
6 of one... half a dozen of the other
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Post by dai on Oct 1, 2021 8:59:08 GMT
Read a couple of articles yesterday: 1. Ramsey was training and left out of the Juve squad as had some muscle fatigue - so not an injury but tiredness. Expect him to be joining us then as he hasn't pulled out. 2. Juve article questioning why Ramey has been called up for us as has he hasn't played much for them 6 of one... half a dozen of the other How has he got tiredness and fatigue yet hardly plays? |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 1, 2021 9:16:32 GMT
Read a couple of articles yesterday: 1. Ramsey was training and left out of the Juve squad as had some muscle fatigue - so not an injury but tiredness. Expect him to be joining us then as he hasn't pulled out. 2. Juve article questioning why Ramey has been called up for us as has he hasn't played much for them 6 of one... half a dozen of the other How has he got tiredness and fatigue yet hardly plays? no idea but if he's training you'd expect him to join up with us wouldn't you |
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Post by jimexotic on Oct 1, 2021 11:18:30 GMT
I can't wait to see him, tongue sticking out, after scoring the winner against the Czechs, a header from a Sorba cross  |
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Post by Albert on Oct 2, 2021 10:42:28 GMT
Not in Juventus's squad today !
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 2, 2021 10:52:24 GMT
Not in Juventus's squad today ! The normal criticism is that he plays for Juventus then fakes injury so he can’t play for us. I wouldn’t mind betting that he’ll still get pelters on here if he pulls out even though he hasn’t played the last 2 or 3 games for Juve. Though I suppose some will say that Juve are so desperate for Ramsey not to play for us that they are happy for him to not play for them either just to keep up the facade. Despite them not doing this for any others of the many internationals they have in their squad. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 2, 2021 11:02:15 GMT
Not in Juventus's squad today ! The normal criticism is that he plays for Juventus then fakes injury so he can’t play for us. I wouldn’t mind betting that he’ll still get pelters on here if he pulls out even though he hasn’t played the last 2 or 3 games for Juve. Though I suppose some will say that Juve are so desperate for Ramsey not to play for us that they are happy for him to not play for them either just to keep up the facade. Despite them not doing this for any others of the many internationals they have in their squad. Yes it’s black and white isn’t it. Ramsey is always injured and we’re all conspiracy theorists for even questioning this 🤦♂️ |
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 2, 2021 11:11:41 GMT
The normal criticism is that he plays for Juventus then fakes injury so he can’t play for us. I wouldn’t mind betting that he’ll still get pelters on here if he pulls out even though he hasn’t played the last 2 or 3 games for Juve. Though I suppose some will say that Juve are so desperate for Ramsey not to play for us that they are happy for him to not play for them either just to keep up the facade. Despite them not doing this for any others of the many internationals they have in their squad. Yes it’s black and white isn’t it. Ramsey is always injured and we’re all conspiracy theorists for even questioning this 🤦♂️ No I was just interested if he’d still get criticism for dropping out even though he hasn’t been playing for Juve for the last two or three games. The normal slagging off he gets is when he plays for Juve but not for us. Agree that it doesn’t seem likely but I genuinely wouldn’t be surprised if this still happened (there’s already a few saying this on Twitter but to be fair to them I’m not sure they realise that he’s missed Juve games too) |
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 2, 2021 11:12:31 GMT
Ds on Twitter says FAW confirm Ramsey's out of the games
Ah well.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Oct 2, 2021 11:22:49 GMT
Ds on Twitter says FAW confirm Ramsey's out of the games Ah well. Uuummm - No "if confirmed" |
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Post by saturn9 on Oct 2, 2021 11:28:51 GMT
Surely, with a week to go until the double header. Cymru medical team can assess his injury, and take it from there.
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Post by fiveattheback on Oct 2, 2021 11:31:39 GMT
Ds on Twitter says FAW confirm Ramsey's out of the games Ah well. Uuummm - No "if confirmed" Ah apologies, misread it |
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Post by dai on Oct 2, 2021 11:49:28 GMT
I'm going to predict that he won't play a game for us again before the WC.
Obviously he will be a loss, but international retirement must seriously be on the cards now - hasn't been fit to play for over 2 years.
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Post by marsvolta on Oct 2, 2021 11:52:19 GMT
I'm going to predict that he won't play a game for us again before the WC. Obviously he will be a loss, but international retirement must seriously be on the cards now - hasn't been fit to play for over 2 years. To be honest, the fact that he hasn’t retired is the reason that I give him the benefit of the doubt. If he was less committed, he’d have taken the easy option and retired. |
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Post by iot on Oct 2, 2021 12:07:59 GMT
Massive blow. It will take a miracle to pick up two wins without both Rambo and Bale, especially when you consider we have an out of form Moore, Brooks and James. Ah well, at least we have the playoff.
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Post by insertname on Oct 2, 2021 13:40:53 GMT
I'm going to predict that he won't play a game for us again before the WC. Obviously he will be a loss, but international retirement must seriously be on the cards now - hasn't been fit to play for over 2 years. To be honest, the fact that he hasn’t retired is the reason that I give him the benefit of the doubt. If he was less committed, he’d have taken the easy option and retired. Arguably the easy option is keep the door open and declare yourself fit if we make it to a finals, sort of like what happened this summer just gone. He knows if he is fit then he plays and that’s probably part of the problem because it has put him in an unassailable position where he can take or leave international football, so why not just keep the door open and see if we qualify for 2022? |
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Post by iot on Oct 2, 2021 13:47:10 GMT
To be honest, the fact that he hasn’t retired is the reason that I give him the benefit of the doubt. If he was less committed, he’d have taken the easy option and retired. Arguably the easy option is keep the door open and declare yourself fit if we make it to a finals, sort of like what happened this summer just gone. He knows if he is fit then he plays and that’s probably part of the problem because it has put him in an unassailable position where he can take or leave international football, so why not just keep the door open and see if we qualify for 2022? Nah, it would be much easier for him to retire if he wasn't fussed. We all know how much stick he gets each time he pulls out with injury, and he knows that too. I remember the FAW doing an interview with him in the Ireland game (might have been one of the Welsh ones) where he went on about how frustrated he was with the whole situation around the pull-outs. That didn't happen by chance, that was a response to the stick he was getting at the time, and naturally it's got much worse since then. It can't be nice to see, I'm sure he's more frustrated than anyone. I have no doubt in my mind that he's an extremely passionate Welshman (there are loads of examples outside football of that) and he loves playing for Wales, and that's the only reason he hasn't retired. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 2, 2021 13:48:34 GMT
Massive blow. It will take a miracle to pick up two wins without both Rambo and Bale, especially when you consider we have an out of form Moore, Brooks and James. Ah well, at least we have the playoff. Right now that play off looks very much like a box ticking exercise. We badly need to get some decent results over the next two months if only to build confidence for March let alone try and get out of the group. |
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Post by insertname on Oct 2, 2021 13:57:18 GMT
Arguably the easy option is keep the door open and declare yourself fit if we make it to a finals, sort of like what happened this summer just gone. He knows if he is fit then he plays and that’s probably part of the problem because it has put him in an unassailable position where he can take or leave international football, so why not just keep the door open and see if we qualify for 2022? Nah, it would be much easier for him to retire if he wasn't fussed. We all know how much stick he gets each time he pulls out with injury, and he knows that too. I remember the FAW doing an interview with him in the Ireland game (might have been one of the Welsh ones) where he went on about how frustrated he was with the whole situation around the pull-outs. That didn't happen by chance, that was a response to the stick he was getting at the time, and naturally it's got much worse since then. It can't be nice to see, I'm sure he's more frustrated than anyone. I have no doubt in my mind that he's an extremely passionate Welshman (there are loads of examples outside football of that) and he loves playing for Wales, and that's the only reason he hasn't retired. As we’ve discussed I think his hand is going to be forced when his next transfer materialises. I want to buy into what you say about his high regard for representing Wales. We need to see him on the pitch in qualifiers doing the hard yards, might be out of his control that we don’t but there is a certain predictability about the games he is fit for and on the face of it it’s not a nice look. I notice there were a fair few on Twitter making this point after the last set of qualifiers. There is a risk that his departing memory for a lot of fans will be that he was fine for the Euros and injured the rest of the time when we were struggling for form and in desperate need of some inspiration. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Oct 2, 2021 13:58:20 GMT
He hasn't pulled out yet...
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Post by insertname on Oct 2, 2021 13:59:52 GMT
He hasn't pulled out yet... All the same you wouldn’t put money on him NOT pulling out eventually! |
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Post by iot on Oct 2, 2021 14:02:20 GMT
Just seen one or two comments on twitter suggesting he's not in the current juve squad as a result of a family bereavement. Just a rumour from a couple of random people, nothing verified, but still hope for him to turn up!
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Post by cynonvalley on Oct 3, 2021 20:49:25 GMT
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Post by njdragon on Oct 3, 2021 20:56:43 GMT
apparently will be fit for their next game though according to the article! |
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