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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 23:43:52 GMT
If he is then I'm sorry, but at this point in time that says more about our lack of options than it does about the form he is in. I repeat: if he was English he would be written off as average, like everyone seems to do with Wilshere. Personally I would be tempted by a midfield 3 of Allen, Collison and Vaughan/Crofts Oh for fucks sake storm, Vaughan or Crofts over a player who's just taken part in a 2-0 away victory over Bayern Munich? You really are fucking mental. And he was deemed to be so influential in that result that the manager dropped him from today's starting lineup. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 23:53:16 GMT
Oh for fucks sake storm, Vaughan or Crofts over a player who's just taken part in a 2-0 away victory over Bayern Munich? You really are fucking mental. Can you try making any form of basic point without resorting to swear words? Children these days. Dear me. Ah go easy on him, we have all been there when our desperation for our favourite players to come good becomes almost tangible. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2013 23:56:08 GMT
Anyone who doesn't think Ramsey is one of our best three central midfielders is fucking mental. If he is then I'm sorry, but at this point in time that says more about our lack of options than it does about the form he is in. I repeat: if he was English he would be written off as average, like everyone seems to do with Wilshere. Personally I would be tempted by a midfield 3 of Allen, Collison and Vaughan/Crofts Wrong. Aaron Ramsey is a great player and it would be absolutely ludicrous to bench him, he is our best central midfielder and is only improving, so lucky that he is Welsh.  |
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 17, 2013 19:59:37 GMT
Oh for fucks sake storm, Vaughan or Crofts over a player who's just taken part in a 2-0 away victory over Bayern Munich? You really are fucking mental. And he was deemed to be so influential in that result that the manager dropped him from today's starting lineup. How many games has Crofts started for championship Brighton this season? 3? 4? and how many has Vaughan started for struggling Sunderland? 6 or 7 perhaps? And you'd rather they started for Wales ahead of a regular player for the team 5th in the EPL, who also reached the champions league last 16?? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 20:15:14 GMT
And he was deemed to be so influential in that result that the manager dropped him from today's starting lineup. How many games has Crofts started for championship Brighton this season? 3? 4? and how many has Vaughan started for struggling Sunderland? 6 or 7 perhaps? And you'd rather they started for Wales ahead of a regular player for the team 5th in the EPL, who also reached the champions league last 16?? It would be Collison that I would play instead of Ramsey, Vaughan and Crofts are a separate pick because they fulfil a different role in the side. For my money in a 3 man midfield it is one of them + 2 from Allen, Ramsey & Collison. Another point to make about Ramsey is that he slows the game down, with the pace of Bale and Bellamy making counter attack our best weapon we can't afford for Ramsey to get the ball at crucial times and dither before passing it backwards like he does to such devastating effect for Arsenal (and as he has done for Wales on occasion) when players with pace are crying out to have a run at a disorganised defence. |
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 17, 2013 20:39:24 GMT
How many games has Crofts started for championship Brighton this season? 3? 4? and how many has Vaughan started for struggling Sunderland? 6 or 7 perhaps? And you'd rather they started for Wales ahead of a regular player for the team 5th in the EPL, who also reached the champions league last 16?? It would be Collison that I would play instead of Ramsey, Vaughan and Crofts are a separate pick because they fulfil a different role in the side. For my money in a 3 man midfield it is one of them + 2 from Allen, Ramsey & Collison. Another point to make about Ramsey is that he slows the game down, with the pace of Bale and Bellamy making counter attack our best weapon we can't afford for Ramsey to get the ball at crucial times and dither before passing it backwards like he does to such devastating effect for Arsenal (and as he has done for Wales on occasion) when players with pace are crying out to have a run at a disorganised defence. Well, he didn't dither when setting up Gervinho's goal on Sat. Or with his pass to Walcott to set up Giroud's goal vs Bayern... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 22:15:52 GMT
storm, if you go onto arsenal mania some fans are starting to question what wilshere is exactly bringing to the party and that the team more solid and fluent since he has been injured and with ramsey in the middle.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 22:26:07 GMT
storm, if you go onto arsenal mania some fans are starting to question what wilshere is exactly bringing to the party and that the team more solid and fluent since he has been injured and with ramsey in the middle. Yeah in fairness I did have a look on that Arsenal forum to see if my view of events was that wide of the mark and I was surprised to find that nobody was pointing out Ramsey as being awful and usually they don't miss a chance to do that. They didn't say anything positive either but in some ways that's a an improvement if he is not standing out to them as a hate figure, it was rosicky who got the slagging. I still stand by the fact that his pass that lead to a yellow was criminal and needless and from what I saw was generally anonymous, I also think that Collison (when on form) is a candidate to replace him. No player should be guaranteed a start if we have options and whilst a Ramsey in his prime is obviously better than what we have when he is anonymous for Arsenal I don't think he is an automatic pick simply because he has played well in the past. For me, bale is the only wales player I would say is guaranteed a start even when off the boil because he is that damned good. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 18, 2013 12:07:15 GMT
We have 4 players nailed on if fit
A Williams
Allen
Ramsey
Bale
Ramsey is class and there is a reason he has played nearly 150 games for Arsenal with 26 champions league appearances (probably only Giggs has played more in that competition than any welshman) This is after a bad injury which set him back massively. He has also scored 5 goals in 25 international appearances.
AND HE IS STILL ONLY 22
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Post by welshiron on Mar 18, 2013 12:13:12 GMT
I would have Collison in my team as well but he is 2 years older than Ramsey and doesn't get in the West Ham team on a regular basis. He has also had bad injuries but hasn't played 100 games for West Ham yet and has yet to scorein 12 games for Wales
For me Crofts did ok when he came in but we have moved on from struggling championship players on the whole, I would have 7-8 midfieldes ahead of him at present. Hopefully he can get regular football again soon as I'm sure he could step in when required
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Post by welshiron on Mar 25, 2013 17:29:17 GMT
A lot has been said about his lack of form etc but for me this guy is still going to be one of our all time greats.
Despite everyone saying his confidence is shot he had the balls to put away a vital penalty in a hostile atmosphere. For me that shows how much character the guy has, he also continues to want the ball even when he does make mistakes.
Yes, a bad error of judgement late on but he is still only 22.
We will miss him badly tomorrow and I hope he has a good end to the season with Arsenal
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Post by Tim P on Mar 25, 2013 18:00:09 GMT
Agreed.
He rectified his mistake with stone cold killer instinct - that's the kind of player we'll need if we're ever going to qualify.
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Post by northerndragon on Mar 25, 2013 18:13:41 GMT
He rectified his mistake with stone cold killer instinct - that's the kind of player we'll need if we're ever going to qualify. Shame he did though as their player would never have reached the ball, it was practically in the keepers hands before he hit the deck |
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Post by njdragon on Mar 25, 2013 18:25:23 GMT
yeh he was awesome for us, always looking for the ball laying it off and moving into space. I think he controlled the game for us. The Ramsey of old!
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Post by squatter1 on Mar 25, 2013 18:52:21 GMT
Agreed. He rectified his mistake with stone cold killer instinct - that's the kind of player we'll need if we're ever going to qualify. To be fair, pulling a player back when you've just lost the ball in front of your own goal is what every park footballer on a Sunday does. I wouldnt read too much into Ramsey's foul. The fact he lost the ball in the first place is the more important matter - that's one of the main things Ramsey needs to deal with in his game, giving the ball away in dangerous positions, one of the main reasons the Arse fans have been giving him so much stick. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 19:11:47 GMT
^^^ Yep, and given the way the injuries have gone today his actions have hit us even harder. The annoying thing is how bloody needless it was, he has to learn to switch on and not expect to be given 10 minutes for every touch of the ball that he takes. No matter what he did to make up for it, he has essentially deprived us of a decent player because of a situation entirely of his own making. Could hardly have come at a more in-opportune moment, to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 21:22:38 GMT
^^^ Yep, and given the way the injuries have gone today his actions have hit us even harder. The annoying thing is how bloody needless it was, he has to learn to switch on and not expect to be given 10 minutes for every touch of the ball that he takes. No matter what he did to make up for it, he has essentially deprived us of a decent player because of a situation entirely of his own making. Could hardly have come at a more in-opportune moment, to boot. does that mean that if he didn't get a red card he would be in your starting 11 then? |
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Post by abwales on Mar 25, 2013 21:30:26 GMT
He controlled the game, and his passing was far better than anything I've seen from him for a long time, but he still wasn't creative enough. The entire team wasn't creative enough. We'll see how much we miss him tomorrow. The jury is still out for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 23:26:37 GMT
^^^ Yep, and given the way the injuries have gone today his actions have hit us even harder. The annoying thing is how bloody needless it was, he has to learn to switch on and not expect to be given 10 minutes for every touch of the ball that he takes. No matter what he did to make up for it, he has essentially deprived us of a decent player because of a situation entirely of his own making. Could hardly have come at a more in-opportune moment, to boot. does that mean that if he didn't get a red card he would be in your starting 11 then? What abwales said- he played well and kept things ticking over without being the real creative heartbeat of the side. Still much improved though. Although the weaknesses are still evident- the sending off smacked of his dismal pass that earned a yellow card for Rosicky against Munich. As I have said previously, no-one should be guaranteed a starting place only perhaps Bale. Ramsey has to prove that he is up to it and if I was manager and he played like he has for Arsenal I would bench him as he is the sort of player who can do as much harm as he does good, Friday night's game being a case in point: set up a goal, scored the penalty and then gets sent off needlessly. |
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Post by flynnfan on Mar 26, 2013 7:41:52 GMT
I said about two years ago that Ramsey and Bale could spend the next decade fighting it out for the title of greatest Welsh footballer of all time. Although Bale has stolen a huge march, I still believe that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 18:00:42 GMT
Class video. Tore them apart |
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Post by abwales on Mar 30, 2013 2:07:54 GMT
To answer my question I asked before the Croatia game.
Did we miss Ramsey?
Not really.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 9:40:59 GMT
To answer my question I asked before the Croatia game. Did we miss Ramsey? Not really. You're saying we didn't miss his energy, work-rate and creativity in the middle? don't be daft. Yes Ledley and King did well there but didn't offer that much going forward which Ramsey definitely would have done, he brings us another edge which is exciting with the creativity we have with Joniesta and Bale as well. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 30, 2013 9:47:59 GMT
Of course we missed him, for a start it would of meant King coming on in midfield instead of Richards.
Ramsey is going to be a welsh legend and I predict he will be the first welshman to acheive 100 caps (although Ledley could beat him to it)
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Post by Tim P on Mar 30, 2013 11:14:59 GMT
To answer my question I asked before the Croatia game. Did we miss Ramsey? Not really. We missed him enormously. |
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Post by abwales on Mar 30, 2013 12:11:50 GMT
I agree on missing him because the subs lacked quality, but Vaughan, Collison etc would have been equally fine. Why people continue to talk about his creativity, him giving us the edge etc I have no idea, he just doesn't do it at all. He doesn't for Arsenal and he didn't against Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 13:24:04 GMT
I agree on missing him because the subs lacked quality, but Vaughan, Collison etc would have been equally fine. Why people continue to talk about his creativity, him giving us the edge etc I have no idea, he just doesn't do it at all. He doesn't for Arsenal and he didn't against Scotland. He sort of did against Scotland, he set up King for the cross that lead to the winner. The only caveat I would add to that is it was it was nothing that you would not expect our other midfielders to be able to play. There were a couple of balls through the left channel that played HRK in but again nothing that you would not expect from our other players. Although it has to be said that he can't pass to people who aren't there so if we are not seeing defence splitting passes we also have to look at where the movement is up front and with Bellamy dropping deep and no real target to aim at is it surprising that Ramsey's most telling passes were to the wing? |
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Post by stu on Mar 30, 2013 14:54:59 GMT
Of course we missed him, for a start it would of meant King coming on in midfield instead of Richards. Ramsey is going to be a welsh legend and I predict he will be the first welshman to acheive 100 caps (although Ledley could beat him to it) Bale is already way ahead of Ramsey on caps won. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2013 21:25:40 GMT
Aaron Ramsey: Passes: 88. Key Pass: 4. Pass Accuracy: 90.3%. Interceptions: 6. Tackles: 1. Played extremely well for Arsenal today, one of their best performers! Also Hal Robson-Kanu scored for Reading. |
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