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Post by bale-droed on Aug 21, 2011 14:20:57 GMT
who said one game and he aint going to make it? it's a couple of games he isn't looking the player he could of been im asking why do you think it is stress? lost his talent space jam style? lazy?
not good for wales against aus
andddd the marking is relevant you could see them all running back in a line and he lost the person he was marking
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Post by Tim P on Aug 21, 2011 16:46:44 GMT
Whether a 20 year old offensive midfielder is good at marking is irrelevant. If he was a defender, or a defensive midfielder, then it would be an issue if it KEPT happening. But one occasion?
He played well four days ago.
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Post by idiot on Aug 21, 2011 17:18:42 GMT
as soon as i heard ramsay had scored an OG i knew there would be a thread over his demise on here
he's a young lad,he hasnt had a decent run in a side in a long time,he's not always going to play like pele
we will hopefully see what he's made of this season,im yet to be convinced he will become a superstar
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 18:39:34 GMT
Who would pick him on current form against Montenegro?
Not me.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 21, 2011 18:48:36 GMT
Who would pick him on current form against Montenegro? Not me. What!? |
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Post by muaythai on Aug 21, 2011 18:53:38 GMT
Who would pick him on current form against Montenegro? Not me. Ramsey hasnt impressed me for ages. He lacks bite and pace and is poor at tracking back and making tackles. He gets sloppy and switches off alot. Once again the welsh are over depending on a player that at current level just isnt good enough to be the saviour of welsh football. Then again who is? |
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Post by youngdragon on Aug 21, 2011 19:05:10 GMT
This is almost as bad as the Brian Flynn hate thread. People need to take a step back realise what a talent the lad is and understand that even Messi has bad days.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 21, 2011 20:01:04 GMT
If he was in his late 20s fair enuff he is 20 and he has shown what a talent he is maybe it will take him a while after his injury to get back to how he was before, just look how he took scotland apart almost single handedly, ok its scotland but still!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2011 20:41:49 GMT
Who would pick him on current form against Montenegro? Not me. What!? First rule of football: No player should be bigger than the team. Thats obviously in theory, sadly in practice Bale and particularly Ramsey, are bigger than Wales based on reputation alone. At least Bale always turns up in a Wales shirt. Ramsey was poor against England and a liability against Australia with some of his ambitious passes that he gave straight to Australian players. It makes no sense to play a player who has played as bad as Ramsey has in recent weeks, especially when Allen and Collison displayed the dynamism that Ramsey sadly lacked against Australia. |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 21, 2011 20:57:44 GMT
controversial
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 22, 2011 8:51:09 GMT
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Post by Tim P on Aug 22, 2011 8:53:46 GMT
Agreed, it's a complete nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 10:13:30 GMT
i don't think he played badly against england at all? he did fine - looked sharp created the odd chance (through ball to morison) people very harsh on him after that game, and he didn't have the best of players around him either, until david vaughan came on that is. we had no collison,allen,bale. Someone told me he saw John Charles's first game for Wales, and he was terrible! one of the worst performances he'd seen, so everyone has the odd bad game - Rambo will be back to his best.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 22, 2011 11:38:25 GMT
bad 5 mins for arsenal and now he should be dropped from wales! people are so quick to knock our best players. Im sure some people on here would prefer wales to do badly so they could pull out the old
'I told you so'
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 22, 2011 12:05:14 GMT
bad 5 mins for arsenal and now he should be dropped from wales! people are so quick to knock our best players. Im sure some people on here would prefer wales to do badly so they could pull out the old 'I told you so' I agree mate, he breaks a leg or ankle or whatever then has a poor couple of games and he aint gunna reach the heights we thought.... 'yaaaawn' |
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Post by saints19 on Aug 22, 2011 13:46:34 GMT
Non-story. Own goal? Irrelevant. Marking? Irrelevant, he's an offensive midfielder. He's 20. Ramsey, by all accounts, was very good against Udinese. He made an assist in a 1-0 win. Marking irrelevant? He's a central midfielder, not an offensive one. Tracking back is an important part of anyone's game in successful teams these days and he was clearly at fault for letting Liverpool in for the og which admittedly was not directly Ramsey's fault. He did alright against Udinese according to the radio commentary but I really hope we are not going to witness another young player with potential fade away into obscurity. He hasn't started the season the way one would have hoped. |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 22, 2011 13:47:54 GMT
same old isnt it, whatever happens he's already miles above fletcher and robinson
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Post by stu on Aug 22, 2011 16:59:42 GMT
Not including his leg break has Ramsey ever missed a game for Wales?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2011 17:28:48 GMT
same old isnt it, whatever happens he's already miles above fletcher and robinson Crofts is better than Fletcher and Robinson, shall we make him undroppable as well? For all the criticism of negative people on here there are equally as many fluffies to whom any sort of criticism, no matter how well justified is out of order and a blatant indication of wanting Wales to fail. It seems you cant criticise Dutch Ray, Ramsey, Bale.....Crofts and Ledley however seem to be fair game, I wonder why no-one ever sticks up for them? We have to stop putting our best players on a pedestal- they are as human as everyone else. If the likes of Fergie and Mourinho were in charge of Wales do you think they would continue to play Ramsey when at both club level and internationally he is not at his best? Midfield is the one area where we have strength in depth, its not like the alternative to Ramsey is picking Joe Bloggs from AFC Wimbledon. When you have players like Collison and Allen on the bench there is absolutely no reason for Ramsey to be picked on reputation, which at the moment he is because when he went off against Oz our performance improved markedly and he didnt look all that special against Liverpool either. The pundits savaged him at half time and full time. |
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Post by Tim P on Aug 22, 2011 18:19:56 GMT
Non-story. Own goal? Irrelevant. Marking? Irrelevant, he's an offensive midfielder. He's 20. Ramsey, by all accounts, was very good against Udinese. He made an assist in a 1-0 win. Marking irrelevant? He's a central midfielder, not an offensive one. Tracking back is an important part of anyone's game in successful teams these days and he was clearly at fault for letting Liverpool in for the og which admittedly was not directly Ramsey's fault. . Come on, you're being silly now. Poor tracking back in one game is a complete non-story, and you know it. |
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Post by njdragon on Aug 22, 2011 18:35:28 GMT
wasnt robinson and fletcher played over crofts? you forget him and ledley have been around a lot longer than ramsey and neither are returning after a year out. Both good squad players but neither have the flair and ability of ramsey. I do think collison and allen could be real quality players but they still have to prove it at international level. Allen is getting bit part games at the moment and collison in the championship.
Ramsey is starting games for Arsenal and Wenger an equally astute manager, seems to rate him highly. If theres any critiscism i would say speed isnt getting the best out of ramsey.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 12:08:04 GMT
He needs a big game tonight......
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Post by saints19 on Aug 24, 2011 14:17:37 GMT
Arsenal it has to be said are not the team they were even last year and losing Nasri and Fabregas will exacerbate that.
Ramsey being in the side doesn't mean a great deal, especially while Wilshere is injured. His competition is basically Frimpong, Rosicky and Abou Diaby (unfit at present). When Arsenal make a couple of signings in that area (as they will have to) if Ramsey is still getting in the side it will be a meaningful achievement.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2011 17:30:58 GMT
Not including his leg break has Ramsey ever missed a game for Wales? ROI, Nations cup. Dave Jones wouldnt let him come out to play. |
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Post by saints19 on Aug 24, 2011 17:45:35 GMT
Not including his leg break has Ramsey ever missed a game for Wales? ROI, Nations cup. Dave Jones wouldnt let him come out to play. What? Dave Jones stopping someone playing for Wales? Unheard of. |
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Post by muaythai on Aug 24, 2011 19:49:48 GMT
Ramsey wont stay in the side as soon as arsenal buy, been watching him closely once again poor tonight against Udinese so far. Players go past him with ease and he slows the attacks down as well as inconsistant passing.
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Post by njdragon on Aug 24, 2011 20:53:04 GMT
Arsenal it has to be said are not the team they were even last year and losing Nasri and Fabregas will exacerbate that. Ramsey being in the side doesn't mean a great deal, especially while Wilshere is injured. His competition is basically Frimpong, Rosicky and Abou Diaby (unfit at present). When Arsenal make a couple of signings in that area (as they will have to) if Ramsey is still getting in the side it will be a meaningful achievement. Im sorry but ramsey starting every game for Arsenal in the premiership so far plus europe, playing full 90 mins is a hell of an achievement for a young welsh player. Especially when you put this in context with the rest of the welsh squad. Who else has had this experience this season? Ledley? crofts? edwards? vaughan? Collison? not even Bale. but yeh lets drop him for the next wales match is it... |
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Post by youngdragon on Aug 24, 2011 20:54:48 GMT
He was poor for Arsenal tonight, his through balls were average and he should have been booked for a dive.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 24, 2011 20:58:32 GMT
He is 20 years of fucking age this thread should be deleted due to being complete and utter bullshit he had an injury some people said he wouldnt come back and play again give the kid chance
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Aug 24, 2011 20:59:03 GMT
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