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Post by iot on Apr 13, 2018 13:40:13 GMT
Just seen these Ramsey stats on twitter: 13/14 - 13 goals, 9 assists 14/15 - 10 + 8 15/16 - 6 + 5 16/17 - 4 + 5 17/18 - 9 + 7 TOTAL - 42 goals, 34 assists By my working out, even if he doesn't score/assist another goal this season, that's an average of over 15 direct goal contributions (i.e. goals and assists) per season over the last five years. Not bad for a player who isn't good enough for the top clubs and destined for Bournemouth or Everton  Well, since you put it like that that's a move to Real Madrid nailed on, he can even have Bale's shirt number! I genuinely think that, if he could add some more control to his game and be a little more consistent (and stay away from injuries of course!), he would be one of the most sought after midfielders around. I see a lot of people on twitter and arsenal forums complaining that he has poor technique, poor passing and a poor touch, but that's not the case at all. He can slice defences open with brilliant through balls, he can ping 40 yard crossfield passes with great accuracy, and he can bring the ball down better than most. But he doesn't always do it consistently because he tries to do everything at a 100mph and can get sloppy. When he's on it, everything seems to flow naturally and I wouldn't take any other player over him in his position. But when he's not on it, he can be really sloppy and frustrating. |
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Post by zenith on Apr 13, 2018 16:41:14 GMT
That goal last night was wonderful, considering he was carrying that painful looking cut!
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Post by insertname on Apr 13, 2018 17:18:13 GMT
Well, since you put it like that that's a move to Real Madrid nailed on, he can even have Bale's shirt number! I genuinely think that, if he could add some more control to his game and be a little more consistent (and stay away from injuries of course!), he would be one of the most sought after midfielders around. I see a lot of people on twitter and arsenal forums complaining that he has poor technique, poor passing and a poor touch, but that's not the case at all. He can slice defences open with brilliant through balls, he can ping 40 yard crossfield passes with great accuracy, and he can bring the ball down better than most. But he doesn't always do it consistently because he tries to do everything at a 100mph and can get sloppy. When he's on it, everything seems to flow naturally and I wouldn't take any other player over him in his position. But when he's not on it, he can be really sloppy and frustrating. I think that accurately sums up his flaws and goes some way to explaining why (imo) he won't be signing for a top 4 club anytime soon. Look at the Ireland game. They had a plan for Allen. What was their plan for Ramsey? They didn't need one because they didn't fear him and they were sadly proved right not to fear him. He tried a few things which didn't come off and just faded from the game, culminating in that horrorshow of a free kick. Not good enough for such a vaunted player in such a big game and that really is the problem- he doesn't instil fear into the opposition or demand that they find a way to curb his influence. I'll admit maybe that will start to change now as at least statistically this is a much improved season than recent times, I'm still not sure he has done enough to make big clubs sit up and take notice apart from the fact that he will be a free signing so worth a punt. I have to say I think from a Welsh perspective he has been a little under-whelming. He should have been a close second on the team sheet to Bale. As it is that mantle undoubtedly goes to Allen who always produces a certain standard for Wales. You never know what Ramsey will turn up and that isn't the mark of a top player I am afraid. Interestingly though, i will concede that if you look at the points we have dropped over the last two campaigns i believe we dropped most points when Ramsey was not in the team - so maybe I don't know what i am talking about! I just wish he could have produced it against Ireland... |
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Post by quetzal on Apr 14, 2018 4:09:40 GMT
I genuinely think that, if he could add some more control to his game and be a little more consistent (and stay away from injuries of course!), he would be one of the most sought after midfielders around. I see a lot of people on twitter and arsenal forums complaining that he has poor technique, poor passing and a poor touch, but that's not the case at all. He can slice defences open with brilliant through balls, he can ping 40 yard crossfield passes with great accuracy, and he can bring the ball down better than most. But he doesn't always do it consistently because he tries to do everything at a 100mph and can get sloppy. When he's on it, everything seems to flow naturally and I wouldn't take any other player over him in his position. But when he's not on it, he can be really sloppy and frustrating. I think that accurately sums up his flaws and goes some way to explaining why (imo) he won't be signing for a top 4 club anytime soon. Look at the Ireland game. They had a plan for Allen. What was their plan for Ramsey? They didn't need one because they didn't fear him and they were sadly proved right not to fear him. He tried a few things which didn't come off and just faded from the game, culminating in that horrorshow of a free kick. Not good enough for such a vaunted player in such a big game and that really is the problem- he doesn't instil fear into the opposition or demand that they find a way to curb his influence. I'll admit maybe that will start to change now as at least statistically this is a much improved season than recent times, I'm still not sure he has done enough to make big clubs sit up and take notice apart from the fact that he will be a free signing so worth a punt. I have to say I think from a Welsh perspective he has been a little under-whelming. He should have been a close second on the team sheet to Bale. As it is that mantle undoubtedly goes to Allen who always produces a certain standard for Wales. You never know what Ramsey will turn up and that isn't the mark of a top player I am afraid. Interestingly though, i will concede that if you look at the points we have dropped over the last two campaigns i believe we dropped most points when Ramsey was not in the team - so maybe I don't know what i am talking about! I just wish he could have produced it against Ireland... Ok it’s time to get the name Storm back. |
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Post by zenith on Apr 20, 2018 9:02:08 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 20, 2018 9:13:44 GMT
A shame. I honestly don't know if the new manager will show Ramsey the same patience that Wenger has shown him over the years. Though it could work in his favour if the new manager plays him in his correct position. |
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Post by foxmulder on Apr 20, 2018 12:56:45 GMT
Toshack for Arsenal!
Please, Gods of Football! Make this happen!
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Post by manulike on Apr 20, 2018 14:10:58 GMT
Rambo and Wenger to Wrexham :+)
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 20, 2018 16:09:39 GMT
A shame. I honestly don't know if the new manager will show Ramsey the same patience that Wenger has shown him over the years. Though it could work in his favour if the new manager plays him in his correct position. Why would the new manager not show patience with/play Arsenal's best player this season? Even Arsenal fans are coming around to the fact that Rambo is their best midfielder |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Apr 20, 2018 16:19:36 GMT
Hope Ramsey leaves the club and Arsenal get a rubbish manager and get relegated.
Its what the vast majority of supporters deserve (not manulike cos he is alright)
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 20, 2018 23:21:41 GMT
A shame. I honestly don't know if the new manager will show Ramsey the same patience that Wenger has shown him over the years. Though it could work in his favour if the new manager plays him in his correct position. Why would the new manager not show patience with/play Arsenal's best player this season? Even Arsenal fans are coming around to the fact that Rambo is their best midfielder Injuries and dips in form. Wenger showed Ramsey a lot of patience and kept fielding Ramsey even when his form dipped and allowed him the chance to show the world what he could do again. There aren't many managers who show that level of patience in a player. |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Apr 21, 2018 4:24:01 GMT
Time for him to move on and new challenge never mind who next manager is
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Post by iot on Apr 21, 2018 6:47:33 GMT
Why would the new manager not show patience with/play Arsenal's best player this season? Even Arsenal fans are coming around to the fact that Rambo is their best midfielder Injuries and dips in form. Wenger showed Ramsey a lot of patience and kept fielding Ramsey even when his form dipped and allowed him the chance to show the world what he could do again. There aren't many managers who show that level of patience in a player. I really dislike this whole narrative where ramsey should be grateful to Arsene/Arsenal, it's the other way around. Yes Wenger showed a lot of faith in him after his leg break, but with good reason as he has shown over the last five years. Ramsey has been much better for arsenal than he's given credit for, but has been scapegoated after each bad performance (right up til their capital cup final this season and Neville's idiotic, headline-chasing rant) and he doesn't get the credit and adulation the likes of wilshere would get after some of the amazing things he's done for the club. Don't get sucked in to the english media narrative - I've watched him closely in most games over the last 4/5 seasons and he has, overall, been their best performer (not biased at all, of course!). |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 21, 2018 8:23:14 GMT
Injuries and dips in form. Wenger showed Ramsey a lot of patience and kept fielding Ramsey even when his form dipped and allowed him the chance to show the world what he could do again. There aren't many managers who show that level of patience in a player. I really dislike this whole narrative where ramsey should be grateful to Arsene/Arsenal, it's the other way around. Yes Wenger showed a lot of faith in him after his leg break, but with good reason as he has shown over the last five years. Ramsey has been much better for arsenal than he's given credit for, but has been scapegoated after each bad performance (right up til their capital cup final this season and Neville's idiotic, headline-chasing rant) and he doesn't get the credit and adulation the likes of wilshere would get after some of the amazing things he's done for the club. Don't get sucked in to the english media narrative - I've watched him closely in most games over the last 4/5 seasons and he has, overall, been their best performer (not biased at all, of course!). I'd argue Mesut Özil has been a better performer overall. I don't believe Ramsey should exactly be grateful to Arsenal so I'm not sure where you've got that from and I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words. I'm saying that Wenger showed him the patience that a lot of managers wouldn't, but this should be a given in the game. Dips in form and injuries can be enough to force a player away from a club, but they've stuck with him and he's rewarded them for it. If you still genuinely believe that I'm basing this opinion off some sort of English narrative, then please stop replying to me as this will go nowhere. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 21, 2018 10:08:13 GMT
Why would the new manager not show patience with/play Arsenal's best player this season? Even Arsenal fans are coming around to the fact that Rambo is their best midfielder Injuries and dips in form. Wenger showed Ramsey a lot of patience and kept fielding Ramsey even when his form dipped and allowed him the chance to show the world what he could do again. There aren't many managers who show that level of patience in a player. Lack of patience towards a talented player would imply its a poor manager is coming into the club. Ramsey has been shifted all over the place with Wenger, he's been forced to play deep, central, out wide and more attacking which lead to inconsistency, now he's being played in his favoured position and has been Arsenal's best player |
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Post by iot on Apr 21, 2018 10:28:29 GMT
I really dislike this whole narrative where ramsey should be grateful to Arsene/Arsenal, it's the other way around. Yes Wenger showed a lot of faith in him after his leg break, but with good reason as he has shown over the last five years. Ramsey has been much better for arsenal than he's given credit for, but has been scapegoated after each bad performance (right up til their capital cup final this season and Neville's idiotic, headline-chasing rant) and he doesn't get the credit and adulation the likes of wilshere would get after some of the amazing things he's done for the club. Don't get sucked in to the english media narrative - I've watched him closely in most games over the last 4/5 seasons and he has, overall, been their best performer (not biased at all, of course!). I'd argue Mesut Özil has been a better performer overall. I don't believe Ramsey should exactly be grateful to Arsenal so I'm not sure where you've got that from and I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words. I'm saying that Wenger showed him the patience that a lot of managers wouldn't, but this should be a given in the game. Dips in form and injuries can be enough to force a player away from a club, but they've stuck with him and he's rewarded them for it. If you still genuinely believe that I'm basing this opinion off some sort of English narrative, then please stop replying to me as this will go nowhere. What a snooty response. Ozil has blown hot and cold far more often than Rambo has. I wasn't exactly twisting your words when you said that Wenger has shown a lot of patience in Ramsey - the implication being that he was lucky to be treated as he has at Arsenal. As pointed out above, he's more than shown his worth so not showing that patience would have been poor management and counterproductive on Wenger and Arsenal's behalf. I do think you and other Welsh fans have been swayed by the media re who they decide to hype and not to hype. I can't think of anything else that could explain the constant under appreciation of probably the best central midfielder Wales have ever produced - so much so that some have muted a possible move to the likes of Bournemouth! |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 21, 2018 10:48:16 GMT
I'd argue Mesut Özil has been a better performer overall. I don't believe Ramsey should exactly be grateful to Arsenal so I'm not sure where you've got that from and I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words. I'm saying that Wenger showed him the patience that a lot of managers wouldn't, but this should be a given in the game. Dips in form and injuries can be enough to force a player away from a club, but they've stuck with him and he's rewarded them for it. If you still genuinely believe that I'm basing this opinion off some sort of English narrative, then please stop replying to me as this will go nowhere. What a snooty response. Ozil has blown hot and cold far more often than Rambo has. I wasn't exactly twisting your words when you said that Wenger has shown a lot of patience in Ramsey - the implication being that he was lucky to be treated as he has at Arsenal. As pointed out above, he's more than shown his worth so not showing that patience would have been poor management and counterproductive on Wenger and Arsenal's behalf. I do think you and other Welsh fans have been swayed by the media re who they decide to hype and not to hype. I can't think of anything else that could explain the constant under appreciation of probably the best central midfielder Wales have ever produced - so much so that some have muted a possible move to the likes of Bournemouth! I'm on my way to Orient to watch the mighty Wrexham either win or fall out the play offs and I'm on the lager. I might reply another time. Rambo is my 'ero |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Apr 21, 2018 11:09:05 GMT
What a snooty response. Ozil has blown hot and cold far more often than Rambo has. I wasn't exactly twisting your words when you said that Wenger has shown a lot of patience in Ramsey - the implication being that he was lucky to be treated as he has at Arsenal. As pointed out above, he's more than shown his worth so not showing that patience would have been poor management and counterproductive on Wenger and Arsenal's behalf. I do think you and other Welsh fans have been swayed by the media re who they decide to hype and not to hype. I can't think of anything else that could explain the constant under appreciation of probably the best central midfielder Wales have ever produced - so much so that some have muted a possible move to the likes of Bournemouth! I'm on my way to Orient to watch the mighty Wrexham either win or fall out the play offs and I'm on the lager. I might reply another time. Rambo is my 'ero Given the horrendous injury Rambo received against Stoke City he's done remarkably well to get back to anywhere near his best ( including named in Euro 2016 team if the tournament). He does blow hot and cold on occasions, but so does Ozil and overrated Wilshire. Never really been appreciated by many Arsenal fans, and with Wenger going hope he moves to another club. Come On Wrexham prove me wrong and get into the playoffs!! |
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Post by insertname on Apr 21, 2018 16:25:06 GMT
I'd argue Mesut Özil has been a better performer overall. I don't believe Ramsey should exactly be grateful to Arsenal so I'm not sure where you've got that from and I'd appreciate it if you didn't twist my words. I'm saying that Wenger showed him the patience that a lot of managers wouldn't, but this should be a given in the game. Dips in form and injuries can be enough to force a player away from a club, but they've stuck with him and he's rewarded them for it. If you still genuinely believe that I'm basing this opinion off some sort of English narrative, then please stop replying to me as this will go nowhere. What a snooty response. Ozil has blown hot and cold far more often than Rambo has. I wasn't exactly twisting your words when you said that Wenger has shown a lot of patience in Ramsey - the implication being that he was lucky to be treated as he has at Arsenal. As pointed out above, he's more than shown his worth so not showing that patience would have been poor management and counterproductive on Wenger and Arsenal's behalf. I do think you and other Welsh fans have been swayed by the media re who they decide to hype and not to hype. I can't think of anything else that could explain the constant under appreciation of probably the best central midfielder Wales have ever produced - so much so that some have muted a possible move to the likes of Bournemouth! It cuts both ways though, Allen was supposed to be playing for Sevilla in the Champions League according to some on here after leaving Liverpool...in reality he is getting relegated with Stoke. Allen is a better player than Ramsey, ergo Ramsey is going to have his work cut out to improve on Arsenal. We are all far from the best judge of players as our internal biases inevitably take over. No better example than someone like Wilshere, vilified on here because he is in competition with one of Welsh football's golden boys. Is Wilshere as bad as we say he is? Probably not. Is Ramsey as good as we say he is? Probably not. We seem to have little faith that the managers in the premier league as a whole have a clue what they are doing as they over look Welsh players we feel should be playing first team football to a very high standard (Ramsey, Allen, Ward, Woodburn, Wilson etc) and these much vaunted foreign moves fail to materialise 99.9% of the time. I struggle to believe that some of the top minds in the game have all got it wrong in over-looking our players. It was a shock to everyone that Allen signed for Stoke instead of Sevilla and whilst statistically this is his best season in 3 or 4 I think it could be a similar story with Ramsey. |
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Post by superunknown on Apr 22, 2018 14:49:33 GMT
Another goal and an assist for that beautiful man.
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Post by fiveattheback on Apr 22, 2018 15:16:56 GMT
Lovely skill for the assist as well
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 22, 2018 15:24:27 GMT
What a player. Such a shame we’re not going to Russia with the form he’s in.
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Post by insertname on Apr 22, 2018 17:19:08 GMT
What a player. Such a shame we’re not going to Russia with the form he’s in. I will gently suggest that if he had shown more of this form in the qualifying campaign then perhaps we would be going to Russia... |
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Post by iot on Apr 22, 2018 17:37:54 GMT
Finally getting some of the appreciation he deserves. "Arsenal fans have taken to Twitter to request Aaron Ramsey be made their permanent captain for next season." www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-fans-request-same-thing-12408253He is now Arsenal's all-time highest scoring central midfielder and top ten scorers under Wenger, along with 50+ assists in that time. Freddie Ljungberg was quoted today saying that he's Arsenal's best player: ”The next manager should build this team around Aaron Ramsey, he’s the clear stand-out player”. There were many on here just a month or so ago questioning whether he's good enough for arsenal and adamant that he wouldn't make the first team of the PL's top clubs. That would mean, for example, that he would be behind the likes of milner, henderson and wiljnaldum in Liverpool's midfield. I don't want to say 'I told you so', but I do want our fans to start appreciating him more. |
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Post by cymru98 on Apr 22, 2018 19:10:10 GMT
Another goal for Rambo. Now they start to appreciate..
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Post by zenith on Apr 22, 2018 20:55:34 GMT
Would much prefer Ramsey to be abroad next season, I think he would flourish in Spain or Italy.
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Post by JC on Apr 23, 2018 12:14:13 GMT
Would much prefer Ramsey to be abroad next season, I think he would flourish in Spain or Italy. I'd love to see him play in Serie A |
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Post by alarch on Apr 23, 2018 13:18:27 GMT
Ramsey's assist for the last goal was stupendous - and yet, typically, got no mention in the post-match punditry. Perhaps it's because his footwork to create the opening was so dazzling that if you blinked you'd miss it.
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Post by insertname on Apr 26, 2018 23:22:42 GMT
Tonight was a great example of why Ramsey frustrates me. He struggles to make an impact against top quality opponents in the key games. 11 goals this season yet none against 'the big four'. Roundly criticised v man city, "went missing" to quote another poster on here against Ireland and largely anonymous tonight bar a header at the death that drew a good save from the keeper.
Is all that really going to get the pulses of Barcelona, Man City and Bayern Munich racing?
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Post by CrackityJones on Apr 27, 2018 6:12:39 GMT
He was hardly anonymous last night and I guess his performance and winner against Chelsea in the cup final last year slipped your mind. Are you Gary Neville in disguise?
Still...at least Eddie Howe’s a fan of one our best ever midfielders so that’s alright.
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