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Post by iot on Sept 30, 2019 20:26:30 GMT
robin showing excellent insights once again I see... Regardless, an amputated Bradshaw would still be more potent up front than Church. 3 goals in nearly 40 appearances? Keep singing the praises of useless footballers and we'll remain shit forever. Delusion once again. We're Wales, we're never going to have 23 quality players. At best, we will alway have 3-4 quality players, a handful of decent players, and the rest of the squad made up by fairly average players. When it comes to our 3rd/4th options, it's always likely to stretch our resources with very limited players, be that church or an amputated bradshaw. |
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Post by cadno on Oct 1, 2019 8:55:42 GMT
Church actually did a lot for Welsh football, anyone that has a bit of understanding will know that. I didn't realise we were such a religious bunch. 😂 |
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Post by manulike on Oct 1, 2019 19:02:17 GMT
Dropped to the bench.
Obviously, he is rubbish ;-)))
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2019 21:20:18 GMT
Dropped to the bench. Obviously, he is rubbish ;-))) It certainly raises an eyebrow from me. The CL games are the big ones for Juve and if Ramsey is starting the league game before it certainly doesn’t bode that well... |
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Post by rico on Oct 1, 2019 21:36:28 GMT
Dropped to the bench. Obviously, he is rubbish ;-))) It certainly raises an eyebrow from me. The CL games are the big ones for Juve and if Ramsey is starting the league game before it certainly doesn’t bode that well... Imagine it's load management off the back of his injury more than anything. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Oct 1, 2019 21:41:24 GMT
It certainly raises an eyebrow from me. The CL games are the big ones for Juve and if Ramsey is starting the league game before it certainly doesn’t bode that well... Imagine it's load management off the back of his injury more than anything. Shhh don’t spoil his chance to repeat the same point again. |
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Post by gimli on Oct 1, 2019 21:50:20 GMT
Juve play Inter at the weekend so probably saving him for that since he started 3 games in 7 days before today. They've been easing him in to the setup and back up to match fitness with these less intense Serie A games recently. I'm sure he'll start vs Inter this weekend, which will be his first proper test, and then once he's completely settled in he'll start regularly playing in the Champions League games too.
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Post by insertname on Oct 1, 2019 22:38:48 GMT
It certainly raises an eyebrow from me. The CL games are the big ones for Juve and if Ramsey is starting the league game before it certainly doesn’t bode that well... Imagine it's load management off the back of his injury more than anything. Fair enough...but why not rest him against those no-marks they played at the weekend and play Ramsey in the CL? Juve prioritising the league seems a bit odd seeing as they have won so many on the spin it’s almost lost any meaning... |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 1, 2019 23:28:43 GMT
Dybala and Rabiot also on the bench. They clearly wanted to rest a few first choices for the Inter game.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 2, 2019 8:04:27 GMT
I was never a fan of Sarri at Chelsea, but the way he's managing Ramsey's integration is impressive.
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Post by texan on Oct 2, 2019 9:33:55 GMT
Imagine it's load management off the back of his injury more than anything. Fair enough...but why not rest him against those no-marks they played at the weekend and play Ramsey in the CL? Juve prioritising the league seems a bit odd seeing as they have won so many on the spin it’s almost lost any meaning... Because he's not yet up to speed with the way Sarri wants him to play. What better environment to simultaneously get his fitness up and get him used to Sarri's way, start him against lesser teams that allow him space to grow, but Bayer was a huge match so he played it safe and went with the tried and trusted until the game was won, then brought Ramsey on. As Sarri said during the week, whilst he's been mightily impressed with Ramsey he admitted he's still getting used to Sarri's ways and he expects Ramsey to improve further. With the way he's being treated it certainly looks as though Aaron is being set up as an integral piece to Juve's style of play under Sarri, as he seems to want to use him as the driver and dictator of pace. I'm so glad to see they're taking care of him though and gradually phasing him in and tailoring his sessions. After years of abuse at the Arse, Juve are looking after him like we did during Euro 2016 and the fans are showering him with plaudits! |
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Post by rangers15 on Oct 2, 2019 12:14:28 GMT
i know this obvious... but a fit and firing Rambo will be the key to us qualifying for the Euros.
the question will be whether Giggs plays him in a midfield 3 or in the 10 role.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 2, 2019 12:26:43 GMT
Obviously he's hugely important to us, but I don't think he's as key as people think.
I think it'll be important that he's used properly. If he plays 90 against Slovakia I wouldn't expect him to play against Croatia three days later.
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Post by rangers15 on Oct 2, 2019 12:43:50 GMT
Obviously he's hugely important to us, but I don't think he's as key as people think. I think it'll be important that he's used properly. If he plays 90 against Slovakia I wouldn't expect him to play against Croatia three days later. if fit he'll start both games. in a perfect world we'll be ahead against slovakia and able to take him off early! |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 2, 2019 12:47:27 GMT
I'd rather he only played against Slovakia, and was then fit for Azerbaijan and Hungary.
We have a duty to look after his fitness as much as Juventus do.
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Post by rangers15 on Oct 2, 2019 12:55:55 GMT
I'd rather he only played against Slovakia, and was then fit for Azerbaijan and Hungary. We have a duty to look after his fitness as much as Juventus do. That's the same with all players who report to the Welsh camp... especially the ones coming back from injury. as i said, IF (and its a big if) he is fit... he starts both games for me. |
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Post by dai on Oct 2, 2019 13:55:06 GMT
I can't see him only playing the one game, he's far too important for that. I can see him coming on for the last 30mins against Slovakia and playing at least 75mins against Croatia.
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Post by cadno on Oct 2, 2019 14:00:57 GMT
He's got to start both games for me, bring joniesta on for him for the last 20 out in slovakia, and if need be against Croatia!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 2, 2019 14:24:56 GMT
Ramsey must start if fit. Have you lot watched us this campaign? We've really missed him.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 2, 2019 15:26:34 GMT
I think he could be the difference against Slovakia over 75-90 minutes.
I don't think he'll have the same effect against Croatia having played 3 days earlier.
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Post by cadno on Oct 2, 2019 17:15:50 GMT
I think he could be the difference against Slovakia over 75-90 minutes. I don't think he'll have the same effect against Croatia having played 3 days earlier. He's been quite effective in his no.10 role for Juve the last couple of games, almost like a second striker as the bt sports commentator pointed out last night. Maybe this is the way to go against Slovakia, Bale up top, Ramsey behind him, James and Wilson on the wings. 4-1-4-1 Hennessey Roberts Williams Rodon Davies Ampadu Wilson Ramsey Allen James Bale |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 2, 2019 18:19:28 GMT
I think he could be the difference against Slovakia over 75-90 minutes. I don't think he'll have the same effect against Croatia having played 3 days earlier. He's been quite effective in his no.10 role for Juve the last couple of games, almost like a second striker as the bt sports commentator pointed out last night. Maybe this is the way to go against Slovakia, Bale up top, Ramsey behind him, James and Wilson on the wings. 4-1-4-1 Hennessey Roberts Williams Rodon Davies Ampadu Wilson Ramsey Allen James Bale I'd love so much for Bale to excel in the striker role, but whenever I've seen him play there (exclusively for us, tbh), he's been pretty anonymous. Ireland is maybe the exception but that game looks more and more to have been a bit of an anomaly. I'd leave him on the right, James on the left, and Rambo in the middle. Obviously that doesn't answer the main question of who plays up top for us. It's not ideal, but if Matondo starts for Schalke in that position again on the weekend, I don't really see how we couldn't start him there. He'd be our only player with experience of playing striker for a top team this season. The added advantage of playing him is we can rotate James, Matondo, and Bale if it's not working. I hope Wilson turns into a top player, but he goes missing for large periods of games and isn't quite good enough atm to justify that, IMO. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 2, 2019 20:50:51 GMT
ITS NICE TO BE APPRECIATED ;-)
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Post by cadno on Oct 4, 2019 12:16:26 GMT
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Post by johnoster on Oct 4, 2019 12:36:02 GMT
Nice is the word. He basically says nothing. Yawn.
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Post by cadno on Oct 4, 2019 13:37:32 GMT
Nice is the word. He basically says nothing. Yawn. Good to see him embracing the italian life, learning the language etc... And I'm so glad he's left Arsenal! |
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Post by pendragon on Oct 4, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
Hey, Cadno - Arsenal fan here so we'll have no more of that!
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Post by alarch on Oct 4, 2019 19:26:19 GMT
This week's Elis James Feast of Football is a particularly good listen, especially the bit about Ramsey with Nicki Baldini (very impressive by the way, wouldn't mind to hear her acumen being applied to the Welsh national team). The relevant bit is about 53 and a half minutes in: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07pxj5qIt's interesting to hear how the notoriously inflexible Sarri changed his omnipresent 4-3-3 to accommodate Ramsey, in playing a 4-3-1-2, with Ramsey tucked in behind the strikers. I'm not advocating a change to this system for the forthcoming double header as Giggs seems to struggle to get his ideas across when playing familiar formations let alone more innovative ones. But Ramsey's success in this formation just confirms again that Ramsey is at his best in a more advanced role. Put him in a more deep-lying role and there's just too much onus on his defensive contribution, which although decent, is not his strong suite, given that his instincts are those of a number 10 not those of a defensive mid. This is especially problematical when he's playing in the same team as Bale - who contributes very little to the defensive side of things - more through ineptitude than anything. I also think Ramsey and Bale are more effective when they play close to each other, as we saw in Coleman's 3-4-2-1, with them playing as a pair of 10s. So it's Bale up front for me, with Ramsey in behind. In future, a 4-3-1-2 (which I guess is a diamond formation by another name) could be the way to go, with width coming from out attacking full backs. Right now, I hope we stick with 4-2-3-1, with round pegs in round holes. Ramsey can make an effective defensive contribution from an advanced position, as can Jonny Williams - who I suspect will replace the short of full fitness Ramsey late on, with Ramsey being kept fresh for the Croatia game. |
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Post by iot on Oct 4, 2019 22:36:12 GMT
This week's Elis James Feast of Football is a particularly good listen, especially the bit about Ramsey with Nicki Baldini (very impressive by the way, wouldn't mind to hear her acumen being applied to the Welsh national team). The relevant bit is about 53 and a half minutes in: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p07pxj5qIt's interesting to hear how the notoriously inflexible Sarri changed his omnipresent 4-3-3 to accommodate Ramsey, in playing a 4-3-1-2, with Ramsey tucked in behind the strikers. I'm not advocating a change to this system for the forthcoming double header as Giggs seems to struggle to get his ideas across when playing familiar formations let alone more innovative ones. But Ramsey's success in this formation just confirms again that Ramsey is at his best in a more advanced role. Put him in a more deep-lying role and there's just too much onus on his defensive contribution, which although decent, is not his strong suite, given that his instincts are those of a number 10 not those of a defensive mid. This is especially problematical when he's playing in the same team as Bale - who contributes very little to the defensive side of things - more through ineptitude than anything. I also think Ramsey and Bale are more effective when they play close to each other, as we saw in Coleman's 3-4-2-1, with them playing as a pair of 10s. So it's Bale up front for me, with Ramsey in behind. In future, a 4-3-1-2 (which I guess is a diamond formation by another name) could be the way to go, with width coming from out attacking full backs. Right now, I hope we stick with 4-2-3-1, with round pegs in round holes. Ramsey can make an effective defensive contribution from an advanced position, as can Jonny Williams - who I suspect will replace the short of full fitness Ramsey late on, with Ramsey being kept fresh for the Croatia game. Respectfully disagree with your analysis, as does Ramsey himself. Have a look at this interview after his first game where he played at 8: www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xa0sDffcm8Journalist: "Which is your favourite position?" Ramsey: "The one I played today, no. 8. I think this is the best one for me... cos I like to be a box-to-box midfielder." Can't get much clearer than that. However, Sarri doesn't feel as though that's the best position for him at this moment in time - I'll give you that. But Sarri's notorious for being meticulous about what he expects from his deep-lying midfielders. I suspect once he's had more time to teach ramsey the ropes, he will revert to a 433 with ramsey playing as an 8 - it's perfect for him. I've made this point before, but the reason I'm convinced he's a no.8 is because I watched him closely when he played in that deeper role when he was in the form of his life, and he was truly excellent. As I've said before, he made the headlines for all those goals/assists, but his defensive contributions were arguably more impressive. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 4, 2019 22:54:25 GMT
I think the argument whether Ramsey is an 8 or a 10 just depends on the system he plays in. For Arsenal when he played his best he played as an 8, but his best form for Wales has been as a 10.
I think what is truly unique about Ramsey is is one of the only 10's in world football who has both a great defensive contribution and an eye for goals.
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