Aaron Ramsey

[iot]

Just listened to the elis james podcast. It was interesting when the italian footie expert spoke about the importance of brozovic to inter - concerning on one level that he appears to be doing so well for a team flying high in seria a. However, it was interesting to hear that ramsey will be asked to do a job on him, as he did so effectively against jorginho last year - and if you stop brozovic, then the whole team struggles. I'm hoping it will be similar against croatia and if so ramsey could be asked to do the same job again. Essentially, that would mean sarri would have a direct involvement in one facet of our gameplan and any tactical organisation that we can transfer from giggs to sarri is good by me!

[allezlesrouges]

Oct 4, 2019 23:57:43 GMT iot said:

Just listened to the elis james podcast. It was interesting when the italian footie expert spoke about the importance of brozovic to inter - concerning on one level that he appears to be doing so well for a team flying high in seria a. However, it was interesting to hear that ramsey will be asked to do a job on him, as he did so effectively against jorginho last year - and if you stop brozovic, then the whole team struggles. I'm hoping it will be similar against croatia and if so ramsey could be asked to do the same job again. Essentially, that would mean sarri would have a direct involvement in one facet of our gameplan and any tactical organisation that we can transfer from giggs to sarri is good by me!

Unfortunately this won't be the case. Brozovic, whilst being a great player in his own right, still isn't as good of a player as Rakitic and Modric. We'll be up against arguably one of the best midfield's in world football, and preventing them from having the lion's share of the ball will be nigh on impossible.

However, I think this actually could suit us, they are slow at the back and one of our biggest assets is our pace, which means they are the ideal team to play against in a sense. We will HAVE to be very organised in defence though to keep them at bay.

[Deleted]

For the record it's never worth listening to a player's opinion on what their best or favourite role is.

[impeachabull]

On the bench today. Should be a good game (Inter v Juve). Starts in 5.

[alarch]

Mixed blessing that he's not starting. I doubt he'll be fit to play 90 minutes in either match.

[insertname]

But I was assured he would be starting today? Fair play to Sarri I guess for taking his fitness seriously, although perhaps *too* seriously.

Ah well, looking on the bright side at least he is earning a hell of a wedge to warm the bench in the big games, Juve seem to be doing alright in his absence and, most importantly, he is going to be fit for the Wales games.

[impeachabull]

It's a pretty feisty game so far so his absence might indeed be a blessing!

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 19:03:21 GMT impeachabull said:

It's a pretty feisty game so far so his absence might indeed be a blessing!

That equaliser was a good result for him, he won't be on the bench much longer if it carries on like this.

[hooky]

Aren't people being optimistic in opining that Sarri is resting Ramsey? You don't rest a player you rate as a starter for your two most important games early into your tenure.

Sarri is a conservative coach and he was not involved with recruiting Ramsey but has rather inherited him.

From what the Chelsea fans at work say about Sarri then Ramsey is not the sort of player Sarri goes for? They suggest he is an extremely rigid coach.

I hope I am wrong but things are not looking great so far. All these comments about Welsh players should go to play in Europe to better themselves - well they all seem to be warming the bench - even Bale was for a while!

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 19:12:36 GMT hooky said:

Aren't people being optimistic in opining that Sarri is resting Ramsey? You don't rest a player you rate as a starter for your two most important games early into your tenure.

Sarri is a conservative coach and he was not involved with recruiting Ramsey but has rather inherited him.

From what the Chelsea fans at work say about Sarri then Ramsey is not the sort of player Sarri goes for? They suggest he is an extremely rigid coach.

I hope I am wrong but things are not looking great so far. All these comments about Welsh players should go to play in Europe to better themselves - well they all seem to be warming the bench - even Bale was for a while!

I'd be surprised if anyone genuinely thought he *was* resting him and not just talking tongue in cheek/offering fighting talk after he was left out for the CL game and Juve's biggest domestic game today. After today he has a few days til Wales play, so by leaving him out this weekend Sarri is basically saying he can't start a game a week (he could of course be resting him today to keep him fresh for 2 games in a few days for Wales...but that idea seems extremely fanciful).

As you say Sarri had no input to his signing and he also seems to have to earn his place at the top table- even despite the massive wages he is on. That's only fair really and we will learn a lot in the process of how good he is, will he be starting the key CL games at the back end of the season?

It is to be noted however that Juve were being linked last week with a January swoop for Rakitic - they won't be signing him to warm the bench, that's for sure.

[robin1864]

Oct 6, 2019 19:12:36 GMT hooky said:

Aren't people being optimistic in opining that Sarri is resting Ramsey? You don't rest a player you rate as a starter for your two most important games early into your tenure.

Sarri is a conservative coach and he was not involved with recruiting Ramsey but has rather inherited him.

From what the Chelsea fans at work say about Sarri then Ramsey is not the sort of player Sarri goes for? They suggest he is an extremely rigid coach.

I hope I am wrong but things are not looking great so far. All these comments about Welsh players should go to play in Europe to better themselves - well they all seem to be warming the bench - even Bale was for a while!

Prepare for your fellow Apostles to smite you down in questioning Rambo's benching.

Undoubtedly he'll play an outstanding full 90 vs. a very technically gifted Lecce side.

[abwales]

He's not a play maker and has made that blindingly obvious in the games he has played that role this season. I'm not sure he has the defensive attributes to play in this midfield 3 either. I think he'll get lots of minutes but can't see him being a regular starter this year.

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 19:33:18 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 6, 2019 19:12:36 GMT hooky said:

Aren't people being optimistic in opining that Sarri is resting Ramsey? You don't rest a player you rate as a starter for your two most important games early into your tenure.

Sarri is a conservative coach and he was not involved with recruiting Ramsey but has rather inherited him.

From what the Chelsea fans at work say about Sarri then Ramsey is not the sort of player Sarri goes for? They suggest he is an extremely rigid coach.

I hope I am wrong but things are not looking great so far. All these comments about Welsh players should go to play in Europe to better themselves - well they all seem to be warming the bench - even Bale was for a while!

Prepare for your fellow Apostles to smite you down in questioning Rambo's benching.

Undoubtedly he'll play an outstanding full 90 vs. a very technically gifted Lecce side.

Bring it on

I hold my hands up that I obviously got it massively wrong that he wasn't going to slide down the league after leaving Arsenal in the same way that Allen has, but my suspicion that his move to a bigger club would turn out to be 'Fool's Gold' is holding up at the moment. Albeit really, really, reeeeeeeally early days.

[erasedcitizen]

Oct 6, 2019 19:38:27 GMT abwales said:

He's not a play maker.

This guy wasn't in Toulouse on 20th June 2016.

[abwales]

3 midfield/attacking subs and there will be no Ramsey tonight. Ouch.

[hooky]

Can - attacking?

How unlucky that our best player has ended up with this manager

[abwales]

/ = and/or he's a midfielder.

[cadno]

Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and football fans being fickle as fuck! 

[dai]

At least he's fit to play for us now.

Unless he's carrying a niggle and that's why he's not featured tonight?

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 20:34:24 GMT cadno said:

Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and football fans being fickle as fuck! 

Oi I said all along he would struggle to get in the Juve side!

That being said, *if* he really is no more than a squad player in Sarri's eyes what is Juve's end game to paying him an eye watering amount? The could try and sell him to make a massive profit on his free transfer but as Real found out once you start handing out massive contracts to players who won't get that money elsewhere it becomes a nightmare to get them off the books. 

[cadno]

Oct 6, 2019 20:41:19 GMT insertname said:

Oct 6, 2019 20:34:24 GMT cadno said:

Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and football fans being fickle as fuck! 

Oi I said all along he would struggle to get in the Juve side!

That being said, *if* he really is no more than a squad player in Sarri's eyes what is Juve's end game to paying him an eye watering amount? The could try and sell him to make a massive profit on his free transfer but as Real found out once you start handing out massive contracts to players who won't get that money elsewhere it becomes a nightmare to get them off the books. 

Fair enough you have a valid opinion and could be proven right, personally I think he'll be a key player for them. And my hunch is that they want to manage his games better than Arsenal did. It's still way too early to say anything right now anyway. 

[allezlesrouges]

I think it's obvious that they are trying to manage him better than Arsenal did.

Ramsey didn't play the last few months of the season, nor did he have a pre-season. Easing him in against the lowly Serie A teams is sensible, and I'm sure that he'll slowly be eased into the high intensity games, e.g against the likes of Inter. Nothing to worry about.

Anyone who has listened to EJFOF will know that Sarri has changed his system to incorporate Ramsey, and I for one will be looking forward to his input over the coming season.

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 20:48:25 GMT cadno said:

Oct 6, 2019 20:41:19 GMT insertname said:

Oi I said all along he would struggle to get in the Juve side!

That being said, *if* he really is no more than a squad player in Sarri's eyes what is Juve's end game to paying him an eye watering amount? The could try and sell him to make a massive profit on his free transfer but as Real found out once you start handing out massive contracts to players who won't get that money elsewhere it becomes a nightmare to get them off the books. 

Fair enough you have a valid opinion and could be proven right, personally I think he'll be a key player for them. And my hunch is that they want to manage his games better than Arsenal did. It's still way too early to say anything right now anyway. 

Yep, time will tell...

I’m just not sure I buy that he was rested for this game. To not start maybe, but Juve were chasing the win late in the game and they brought on Emre Can instead of Ramsey for the last 20 minutes? There isn’t much to be positive about there, imo

[cadno]

Oct 6, 2019 21:13:13 GMT insertname said:

Oct 6, 2019 20:48:25 GMT cadno said:

Fair enough you have a valid opinion and could be proven right, personally I think he'll be a key player for them. And my hunch is that they want to manage his games better than Arsenal did. It's still way too early to say anything right now anyway. 

Yep, time will tell...

I’m just not sure I buy that he was rested for this game. To not start maybe, but Juve were chasing the win late in the game and they brought on Emre Can instead of Ramsey for the last 20 minutes? There isn’t much to be positive about there, imo

Fair point.

[robin1864]

Oct 6, 2019 20:41:19 GMT insertname said:

Oct 6, 2019 20:34:24 GMT cadno said:

Three things are certain in life: death, taxes, and football fans being fickle as fuck! 

Oi I said all along he would struggle to get in the Juve side!

That being said, *if* he really is no more than a squad player in Sarri's eyes what is Juve's end game to paying him an eye watering amount? The could try and sell him to make a massive profit on his free transfer but as Real found out once you start handing out massive contracts to players who won't get that money elsewhere it becomes a nightmare to get them off the books. 

I've said it all along, he's a free investment to a club like Juve. What they're paying him is peanuts compared to what they'd be able to get for selling him on. £30m if he plays well, £15m if he has a stinker. Either way, they're in the money by signing him. 

Interesting to hear Phil Stead & Welsh football twitter hinting at rumours of discontent.

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 21:25:24 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 6, 2019 20:41:19 GMT insertname said:

Oi I said all along he would struggle to get in the Juve side!

That being said, *if* he really is no more than a squad player in Sarri's eyes what is Juve's end game to paying him an eye watering amount? The could try and sell him to make a massive profit on his free transfer but as Real found out once you start handing out massive contracts to players who won't get that money elsewhere it becomes a nightmare to get them off the books. 

I've said it all along, he's a free investment to a club like Juve. What they're paying him is peanuts compared to what they'd be able to get for selling him on. £30m if he plays well, £15m if he has a stinker. Either way, they're in the money by signing him. 

Interesting to hear Phil Stead & Welsh football twitter hinting at rumours of discontent.

But the idea of ‘land banking’ him doesn’t make sense either- at least not the way they have done it.

If they had picked him up for nowt and paid him an average wage then fair enough, but they are basically paying him a 50 odd million transfer fee as part of his wage. It’s idiotic because what if they want to realise their profit by selling him at the end of his first season for 15 million so they have only “lost” a season’s worth of pay and will more than recoup that by a 15 million transfer fee but just like Bale he doesn’t want to leave because he is earning more at Juve than anyone will pay him?

[allezlesrouges]

Worth noting that Emre Can came on for Dybala tonight. Sarri was clearly happy with a point, and not pushing for a win.

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 21:33:41 GMT allezlesrouges said:

Worth noting that Emre Can came on for Dybala tonight. Sarri was clearly happy with a point, and not pushing for a win.

A fair point in some respects however I think it is contradicted in that Sarri initially brought on Higuain for Bernardeschi, thus having Dybala, Higuain and Ronaldo on the pitch at the same. That doesn’t exactly scream “playing for the draw!”.

[robin1864]

Oct 6, 2019 21:31:46 GMT insertname said:

Oct 6, 2019 21:25:24 GMT robin1864 said:

I've said it all along, he's a free investment to a club like Juve. What they're paying him is peanuts compared to what they'd be able to get for selling him on. £30m if he plays well, £15m if he has a stinker. Either way, they're in the money by signing him. 

Interesting to hear Phil Stead & Welsh football twitter hinting at rumours of discontent.

But the idea of ‘land banking’ him doesn’t make sense either- at least not the way they have done it.

If they had picked him up for nowt and paid him an average wage then fair enough, but they are basically paying him a 50 odd million transfer fee as part of his wage. It’s idiotic because what if they want to realise their profit by selling him at the end of his first season for 15 million so they have only “lost” a season’s worth of pay and will more than recoup that by a 15 million transfer fee but just like Bale he doesn’t want to leave because he is earning more at Juve than anyone will pay him?

Call me out for "assumptions" again, but there's absolutely no way Juventus are paying only £100k per week less than Ronaldo for someone as injury prone and inconsistent as Ramsey, especially with the current lowly state of Italian football. Terrible business if they are, therefore he's free money. 

Sensationalist headlines have made people think he's on insane amount of buck at Juve, but I don't think that's the truth at all. Along with getting bored of Arsenal achieving fuck all, a lad who grew up on Football Italia would have found it hard to refuse any offer Juve could make him.

[insertname]

Oct 6, 2019 21:52:01 GMT robin1864 said:

Oct 6, 2019 21:31:46 GMT insertname said:

But the idea of ‘land banking’ him doesn’t make sense either- at least not the way they have done it.

If they had picked him up for nowt and paid him an average wage then fair enough, but they are basically paying him a 50 odd million transfer fee as part of his wage. It’s idiotic because what if they want to realise their profit by selling him at the end of his first season for 15 million so they have only “lost” a season’s worth of pay and will more than recoup that by a 15 million transfer fee but just like Bale he doesn’t want to leave because he is earning more at Juve than anyone will pay him?

Call me out for "assumptions" again, but there's absolutely no way Juventus are paying only £100k per week less than Ronaldo for someone as injury prone and inconsistent as Ramsey, especially with the current lowly state of Italian football. Terrible business if they are, therefore he's free money. 

Sensationalist headlines have made people think he's on insane amount of buck at Juve, but I don't think that's the truth at all. Along with getting bored of Arsenal achieving fuck all, a lad who grew up on Football Italia would have found it hard to refuse any offer Juve could make him.

That makes sense from a sane business strategy POV...but what about all the figures banded about, and by sources who are well connected (Marcotte etc)? It seems to be common knowledge that he is one of the world’s highest paid players- how have they all got it wrong if he is on a run of the mill wage?