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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 6, 2019 22:51:37 GMT
Worth noting that Emre Can came on for Dybala tonight. Sarri was clearly happy with a point, and not pushing for a win. A fair point in some respects however I think it is contradicted in that Sarri initially brought on Higuain for Bernardeschi, thus having Dybala, Higuain and Ronaldo on the pitch at the same. That doesn’t exactly scream “playing for the draw!”. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 6, 2019 22:56:17 GMT
Call me out for "assumptions" again, but there's absolutely no way Juventus are paying only £100k per week less than Ronaldo for someone as injury prone and inconsistent as Ramsey, especially with the current lowly state of Italian football. Terrible business if they are, therefore he's free money. Sensationalist headlines have made people think he's on insane amount of buck at Juve, but I don't think that's the truth at all. Along with getting bored of Arsenal achieving fuck all, a lad who grew up on Football Italia would have found it hard to refuse any offer Juve could make him. That makes sense from a sane business strategy POV...but what about all the figures banded about, and by sources who are well connected (Marcotte etc)? It seems to be common knowledge that he is one of the world’s highest paid players- how have they all got it wrong if he is on a run of the mill wage? The only explanation I can think of is his agents are trying to increase his stock artificially by throwing big numbers out there, attempting to put feelers out for his next move. Juve won't complain because such articles would make them look more appealing to every player in football. Remove yourself from the Welsh football bubble for a second - what football manager/scout in European football wouldn't be curious about this previously little-known player who Juventus are now paying big bucks? |
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Post by insertname on Oct 6, 2019 23:28:00 GMT
Injured again?! Hmm....will be interesting to see what part he plays for Wales now |
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Post by insertname on Oct 6, 2019 23:32:59 GMT
That makes sense from a sane business strategy POV...but what about all the figures banded about, and by sources who are well connected (Marcotte etc)? It seems to be common knowledge that he is one of the world’s highest paid players- how have they all got it wrong if he is on a run of the mill wage? The only explanation I can think of is his agents are trying to increase his stock artificially by throwing big numbers out there, attempting to put feelers out for his next move. Juve won't complain because such articles would make them look more appealing to every player in football. Remove yourself from the Welsh football bubble for a second - what football manager/scout in European football wouldn't be curious about this previously little-known player who Juventus are now paying big bucks? It seems we agree on a lot of points re Ramsey, but that seems to be reaching a bit imo. Juve are already in a PR minefield for paying Ronaldo’s vast wage whilst Fiat workers’ jobs are at risk. Playing Chinese whispers to give the impression of paying an inflated wage for a footballer of Ramsey’s profile seems an arse about face way of making a quick buck. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 6, 2019 23:44:01 GMT
Well we have a choice here don't we.
On the one hand we can believe a journalist in Nicky Baldini who covers Italian football, and says that Ramsey's performances have made a big impression. To the extent that Sarri, notoriously rigid from his time at Napoli and Chelsea for playing 4-3-3 come what may, was willing to change to a 4-3-1-2 all the better to accommodate Ramsey's qualities.
On the other hand one can believe the theories of a few posters on the Apostle forum implying that Ramsey was brought in to warm the bench, or be no more than a squad player. That, or some crackpot theory about only bringing him in with the intention of flogging him on at the earliest opportunity.
Hmmm, now which opinion do I most respect here...
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 7, 2019 0:08:12 GMT
Well we have a choice here don't we. On the one hand we can believe a journalist in Nicky Baldini who covers Italian football, and says that Ramsey's performances have made a big impression. To the extent that Sarri, notoriously rigid from his time at Napoli and Chelsea for playing 4-3-3 come what may, was willing to change to a 4-3-1-2 all the better to accommodate Ramsey's qualities. On the other hand one can believe the theories of a few posters on the Apostle forum implying that Ramsey was brought in to warm the bench, or be no more than a squad player. That, or some crackpot theory about only bringing him in with the intention of flogging him on at the earliest opportunity. Hmmm, now which opinion do I most respect here... Aye, Ramsey is certainly moving mountains against the likes of Brescia, SPAL etc., so much so that his reward against the big teams is a space on the bench. |
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Post by superunknown on Oct 7, 2019 7:09:17 GMT
Well we have a choice here don't we. On the one hand we can believe a journalist in Nicky Baldini who covers Italian football, and says that Ramsey's performances have made a big impression. To the extent that Sarri, notoriously rigid from his time at Napoli and Chelsea for playing 4-3-3 come what may, was willing to change to a 4-3-1-2 all the better to accommodate Ramsey's qualities. On the other hand one can believe the theories of a few posters on the Apostle forum implying that Ramsey was brought in to warm the bench, or be no more than a squad player. That, or some crackpot theory about only bringing him in with the intention of flogging him on at the earliest opportunity. Hmmm, now which opinion do I most respect here... Aye, Ramsey is certainly moving mountains against the likes of Brescia, SPAL etc., so much so that his reward against the big teams is a space on the bench. It's fairly obvious, as has been said above, that they're managing his game time far better than Arsenal did. As we all know he's very injury prone, so where's the use in throwing him straight in to the high intensity games against Inter and the like when he hasn't had a pre season. Fully expect him to be in the starting 11 in a month or two. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 7, 2019 8:13:52 GMT
I think that Sarri is aware that he's got two games coming up for Wales, that Sarri has no control over.
Giggs may well decide to have him play 180 minutes in 4 days.
So Sarri is being pragmatic in leaving him out, thinking he has the players to get a result anyway. And he got it right.
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Post by ger93 on Oct 7, 2019 10:27:43 GMT
Got a bad feeling about Rambo. Fitness checks to be undertaken today/tomorrow. I honestly can't remember the last time he played for us
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Post by GuntersLeftFoot on Oct 7, 2019 10:32:12 GMT
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Post by kingstonred on Oct 7, 2019 10:37:00 GMT
He's going to be out isn't he, we've all jyxed it. Gutted.
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Post by iot on Oct 7, 2019 10:43:23 GMT
His absence from the game yesterday has three possible explanations:
A) They don't think he's sharp enough for the big games yet. With no pre-season behind him and given that they have a luxury of options in midfield, they feel that ramsey at 70% sharpness is behind a matuidi/khedira and even emre can who are close to 100% sharpness. They therefore want to build his sharpness against the lesser sides with an eye on starting him against the big sides later in the season.
B) He's injured / has a niggle
C) He's not Sarri's man and he's not rated as highly by Sarri as much as their other midfield options
Given my own personal view of his quality and the initial feedback he's from Juve fans, journalists and the manager - my hunch is that it's either A or B. The main short-term concern is that if it's B and C would represent the main long-term concern!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 7, 2019 10:54:58 GMT
Oh fuck off.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 12:25:36 GMT
He won't play.
His body just cannot cope with football anymore. Pulling a muscle while warming up? I'm 5 years older than him, and play 5 a side twice a week, along with lots of other lads - hardly any injuries (touch wood).
How in this modern era of sports science and player conditioning that someone gets injured so often?
Same shit, different day.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 7, 2019 12:46:45 GMT
Congratulations on playing 5 a side twice a week mate, we're all made up for you.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 12:49:12 GMT
Congratulations on playing 5 a side twice a week mate, we're all made up for you. Ok. |
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Post by superunknown on Oct 7, 2019 12:55:30 GMT
Congratulations on playing 5 a side twice a week mate, we're all made up for you. Weird response. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 7, 2019 13:19:55 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the rigors of playing 5 a side twice a week, with an 11 year career at the highest level in football? Come on.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 13:42:30 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the rigors of playing 5 a side twice a week, with an 11 year career at the highest level in football? Come on. Yes. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:56:40 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the rigors of playing 5 a side twice a week, with an 11 year career at the highest level in football? Come on. People honestly do. Put any of them on a full size pitch for 45 minutes against real professionals and they'd realise the difference. Wouldn't make it out for the second half. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 7, 2019 13:58:52 GMT
I dunno though, he does play twice a week.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 14:27:40 GMT
You've missed the point completely.
I am not comparing fitness levels, I'm asking how does someone who has the highest quality backing in sports science, medicals, fitness techniques etc, get injured so easily?
But hey, if you want to behave like a child, go ahead.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 14:28:59 GMT
Are you seriously comparing the rigors of playing 5 a side twice a week, with an 11 year career at the highest level in football? Come on. People honestly do. Put any of them on a full size pitch for 45 minutes against real professionals and they'd realise the difference. Wouldn't make it out for the second half. I reckon I could easily handle 45 mins in the Premier League, not to big myself up too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:30:48 GMT
More stress creates more injuries. More medicals means more issues are found earlier. Smaller issues are more significant for top level professionals.
If I feel a twinge in an abductor I go to the gym anyway because it likely won't matter, and even if it goes no one will care except me and the people I moan about it to. A professional footballer has a spasm that's something that can lead to a tear in a full speed game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 14:31:18 GMT
People honestly do. Put any of them on a full size pitch for 45 minutes against real professionals and they'd realise the difference. Wouldn't make it out for the second half. I reckon I could easily handle 45 mins in the Premier League, not to big myself up too much. Goalkeeper doesn't count. |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 7, 2019 15:07:34 GMT
You've missed the point completely. I am not comparing fitness levels, I'm asking how does someone who has the highest quality backing in sports science, medicals, fitness techniques etc, get injured so easily? But hey, if you want to behave like a child, go ahead.
You could have asked that question without telling us about your 5 a side career.
Why do you think he gets injured so often? Do you think it's his fault?
And we're basing this on the fact that Juventus decided not to bring him off the bench against Inter, because he had a twinge in a warmup.
I wonder if he told Sarri about the twinge in Italian?
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 15:10:12 GMT
You've missed the point completely. I am not comparing fitness levels, I'm asking how does someone who has the highest quality backing in sports science, medicals, fitness techniques etc, get injured so easily? But hey, if you want to behave like a child, go ahead.
You could have asked that question without telling us about your 5 a side career.
Why do you think he gets injured so often? Do you think it's his fault?
And we're basing this on the fact that Juventus decided not to bring him off the bench against Inter, because he had a twinge in a warmup.
I wonder if he told Sarri about the twinge in Italian?
I didn't realise saying such a thing would touch a nerve. Sorry snowflake |
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Post by alarch on Oct 7, 2019 15:41:28 GMT
Am I the only one hoping that the apparent "twinge" had everything to do with Ramsey's desperation to get to the Euro 2020 finals.
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 7, 2019 15:49:23 GMT
It's cringe-worthy that his fitness & "over-playing" is a constant talking point. He's a 28-year-old professional footballer with access to world-class fitness and medical facilities, not a 50-year-old builder playing in the pub leagues with a beer belly, shot knees and a knackered back. The fact people on here get worried because he played more than 5 minutes is an embarrassing indictment on his fitness and condition.
Dai is absolutely right.
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Post by dai on Oct 7, 2019 15:50:21 GMT
Am I the only one hoping that the apparent "twinge" had everything to do with Ramsey's desperation to get to the Euro 2020 finals. I very much doubt he’s not done something. Just a waiting game now for the announcement saying he’s unavailable. Historically when we’ve had a player who’s become a doubt, they dont play. Especially important bloody ones! I cant remember the last time an ‘injured’ player recovered for us. Once there’s doubt, they’re out, from my experience. I desperately hope Im proven wrong. |
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