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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 7, 2019 16:30:16 GMT
It's cringe-worthy that his fitness & "over-playing" is a constant talking point. He's a 28-year-old professional footballer with access to world-class fitness and medical facilities, not a 50-year-old builder playing in the pub leagues with a beer belly, shot knees and a knackered back. The fact people on here get worried because he played more than 5 minutes is an embarrassing indictment on his fitness and condition. Dai is absolutely right. What are you talking about? Are you saying players being injury prone shouldn't exist?? Just to clarify he played roughly 215 minutes in 13 days, not 5 minutes, although feel free to exaggerate to support your point. This was after being out for 4 months as well. |
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Post by robin1864 on Oct 7, 2019 17:52:51 GMT
It's cringe-worthy that his fitness & "over-playing" is a constant talking point. He's a 28-year-old professional footballer with access to world-class fitness and medical facilities, not a 50-year-old builder playing in the pub leagues with a beer belly, shot knees and a knackered back. The fact people on here get worried because he played more than 5 minutes is an embarrassing indictment on his fitness and condition. Dai is absolutely right. What are you talking about? Are you saying players being injury prone shouldn't exist?? Just to clarify he played roughly 215 minutes in 13 days, not 5 minutes, although feel free to exaggerate to support your point. This was after being out for 4 months as well. They shouldn't exist at his level, and those who do aren't afforded many extra chances. Kaka faced the MLS or early retirement. Alexandre Pato had to go back to Brazil because nothing could be done for him. Joniesta had to drop two leagues down. If Rambo doesn't sort himself out at Juve, it could be good news for Cardiff fans I guess. |
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Post by ger93 on Oct 8, 2019 7:58:03 GMT
Someone on Twitter claiming he spoke to Aaron yesterday at the airport and said he is unlikely to play.
My confidence has gone from about 6/10 to 4/10 for these next two games.
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Post by cadno on Oct 8, 2019 8:18:35 GMT
Midfield is already our weakest area, fuck sakes.
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2019 8:48:18 GMT
The bloke hasn't played an international match for nearly a year, that's a bloody atrocious record for a top flight player. Might be better off retiring to avoid all this hassle.
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Post by cadno on Oct 8, 2019 9:08:20 GMT
Has he tried simon church's cannabis oil?
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 8, 2019 9:08:45 GMT
Step up Joniesta.
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Post by johnoster on Oct 8, 2019 9:28:14 GMT
Maybe he should play 5 a side twice a week.
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2019 9:31:49 GMT
The bloke hasn't played an international match for nearly a year, that's a bloody atrocious record for a top flight player. Might be better off retiring to avoid all this hassle. I thought he already had considering the amount of times he's been anonymous in a Welsh shirt... I shall reiterate that I admire the faith shown on here but if you were to list his good games in a Wales shirt since Euro 2016 you would be left scratching your head trying to figure that one out. |
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Post by manulike on Oct 8, 2019 9:45:23 GMT
Can we please have a little more positive vibes on here.
#Build.it.and.he.Will.Come
#Field.of.Dreams.Trnava.2019
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2019 9:52:16 GMT
Jonny's a better footballer than Ramsey anyway, so may not be too bad after all. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Oct 8, 2019 10:03:05 GMT
Jonny's a better footballer than Ramsey anyway, so may not be too bad after all. Bad bait. |
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2019 10:07:07 GMT
Jonny's a better footballer than Ramsey anyway, so may not be too bad after all. Bad bait.  |
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Post by derynglas on Oct 8, 2019 10:23:00 GMT
One of the possibilities may be that its been decided Rambo can only play one of the games,
and that will be the Croatia game.
He's flown to Slovakia so the injury can't be that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2019 10:36:54 GMT
He is our most important player now isn't he?.
I always thought joe allen Bale or the centre backs were more vital.
But he gives us a threat in the middle of the park, when without we are paper thin
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Post by johnoster on Oct 8, 2019 10:37:04 GMT
His arms will be tired though.
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Post by rushlegend on Oct 8, 2019 11:59:11 GMT
One of the possibilities may be that its been decided Rambo can only play one of the games,
and that will be the Croatia game.
He's flown to Slovakia so the injury can't be that bad.
Was thinking the very same thing - i have a feeling Ramsey will sit out the Slovakia game and play v. Croatia.
I think Giggs will play a defensive formation against Slovakia and hit them on the break without Ramsey - and will unleash him in Cardiff next Sunday possibly?
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Post by johnoster on Oct 8, 2019 12:39:27 GMT
Or they'll keep him back for the Croatia game and he'll strain his back reaching for the tv remote on Saturday.
Am I doing it right dai?
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2019 12:45:15 GMT
One of the possibilities may be that its been decided Rambo can only play one of the games, and that will be the Croatia game. He's flown to Slovakia so the injury can't be that bad. Was thinking the very same thing - i have a feeling Ramsey will sit out the Slovakia game and play v. Croatia. I think Giggs will play a defensive formation against Slovakia and hit them on the break without Ramsey - and will unleash him in Cardiff next Sunday possibly? Quite plausible. I feel we need to beat Slovakia to remain within contention though, and I think playing at home will give us more advantage. Ramsey needs to play against Slovakia if fit. Croatia have shown so far they can be drawn against or even beaten. If Azerbaijan can match them at home with an average squad, then we need to take inspiration from that. Giggs has already done one double header mistake in playing a weaker team against Hungary, after playing a stronger team against Croatia, so he needs to get it right this time. |
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Post by alarch on Oct 8, 2019 13:26:20 GMT
One of the possibilities may be that its been decided Rambo can only play one of the games, and that will be the Croatia game. He's flown to Slovakia so the injury can't be that bad. Was thinking the very same thing - i have a feeling Ramsey will sit out the Slovakia game and play v. Croatia. I think Giggs will play a defensive formation against Slovakia and hit them on the break without Ramsey - and will unleash him in Cardiff next Sunday possibly? Quite plausible. I feel we need to beat Slovakia to remain within contention though, and I think playing at home will give us more advantage. Ramsey needs to play against Slovakia if fit. Croatia have shown so far they can be drawn against or even beaten. If Azerbaijan can match them at home with an average squad, then we need to take inspiration from that. Giggs has already done one double header mistake in playing a weaker team against Hungary, after playing a stronger team against Croatia, so he needs to get it right this time. If Ramsey can only play one game then that game has to be Slovakia. Realistically Croatia will win the group and we are chasing second spot along with Slovakia and Hungary. If Slovakia beat us on Thursday they're within touching distance of second spot - we simply have to get a result on Thursday. That doesn't necessarily mean starting Ramsey though. It's got to be a doubt that he'll be effective defensively, and the number 10 will have to chip in defensively in a 4-2-3-1, or we risk being over-run in midfield by Slovakia's 4-3-3. We know Jonny Williams can do that job, so I'd be inclined to start Williams unless Ramsey is 100% fit - which has to be very doubtful. Better to bring offensive quality off the bench, if we need to, than the other way round. |
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Post by iot on Oct 8, 2019 14:00:03 GMT
Ramsey has far greater defensive instincts than joniesta in my opinion. Ramsey's a box to box midfielder, as he describes himself, while joniesta's an out and out attacking midfielder. He will harry teams and put in good challenges from time to time, but he's not defnesively aware. He's not all that aware of where opposition players are when they're off the ball - who he should mark etc. So I would disagree that joniesta gives us greater defensive solidity
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Post by johnoster on Oct 8, 2019 14:08:17 GMT
Ramsey is prone to making mistakes in his own half though. See the Ireland home nations league game.
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Post by alarch on Oct 8, 2019 14:09:44 GMT
Ramsey has far greater defensive instincts than joniesta in my opinion. Ramsey's a box to box midfielder, as he describes himself, while joniesta's an out and out attacking midfielder. He will harry teams and put in good challenges from time to time, but he's not defnesively aware. He's not all that aware of where opposition players are when they're off the ball - who he should mark etc. So I would disagree that joniesta gives us greater defensive solidity I guess we just have to disagree on this one, although I'm not sure how you can argue your case on recent showings. Ramsey was deficient defensively in both games against Denmark, whereas Jonny Williams contributed a lot defensively in the recent double-header, albeit against weaker opposition. In my opinion most of Ramsey's good defensive work is done in advanced areas - further back his attacking instincts kick in when he should be more defensively alert. In any event Ramsey is probably more vulnerable fitness wise right now, so his game time will need to be carefully managed, more so than Williams'. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 8, 2019 14:10:42 GMT
Ramsey is prone to making mistakes in his own half though. See the Ireland home nations league game. Tendency to get caught in possession. |
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Post by dai on Oct 8, 2019 14:21:03 GMT
If Ramsey is a box to box midfielder and has good defence qualities, then is it a thought to start him next to Allen in that holding role? That means we can have a trio in front of them consisting of Bale, Jonny, James and Moore/Vokes up front.
Not sure if he's been played in that position before for us?
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Post by insertname on Oct 8, 2019 14:35:06 GMT
If Ramsey is a box to box midfielder and has good defence qualities, then is it a thought to start him next to Allen in that holding role? That means we can have a trio in front of them consisting of Bale, Jonny, James and Moore/Vokes up front. Not sure if he's been played in that position before for us? He started there against ROI at home in the WC - and you don't need me to remind you how ineffective he was in that game. So bad that the Irish decided not to bother nobbling him because he was more use to them on the pitch |
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Post by rushlegend on Oct 8, 2019 14:41:39 GMT
If Ramsey can only play one game then that game has to be Slovakia.
Think he has an abductor strain etc according to Ellis James podcast with Danny Gabbidon saying they take a week to get over from his own previous experience therefore that is why i'm guessing that Slovakia game is too soon whereas Croatia gives him more time to recover etc - Slovakia is the key game but has come too soon so don't think he would be able to play that one?
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Post by alarch on Oct 8, 2019 15:07:50 GMT
Allen and Ramsey also played as a double pivot in the Denmark game at home and Ramsey was found wanting in that deep-lying role on that occasion. If Ramsey is to play deep, then it has to be in a three, so that he has plenty of defensive cover from the other two. I'd be surprised if he's able to play the sort of box-to-box role for us that he's very capable of playing when fully match fit.
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Post by cymroircarn on Oct 8, 2019 15:32:22 GMT
No news is good news, right?
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Post by iot on Oct 8, 2019 15:49:56 GMT
Ramsey has far greater defensive instincts than joniesta in my opinion. Ramsey's a box to box midfielder, as he describes himself, while joniesta's an out and out attacking midfielder. He will harry teams and put in good challenges from time to time, but he's not defnesively aware. He's not all that aware of where opposition players are when they're off the ball - who he should mark etc. So I would disagree that joniesta gives us greater defensive solidity I guess we just have to disagree on this one, although I'm not sure how you can argue your case on recent showings. Ramsey was deficient defensively in both games against Denmark, whereas Jonny Williams contributed a lot defensively in the recent double-header, albeit against weaker opposition. In my opinion most of Ramsey's good defensive work is done in advanced areas - further back his attacking instincts kick in when he should be more defensively alert. In any event Ramsey is probably more vulnerable fitness wise right now, so his game time will need to be carefully managed, more so than Williams'. I guess I'm basing it off a few seasons, rather than a couple of games. I don't want to labour the point, but ramsey has spent a good few seasons in a deeper midfield role (i.e. not as an attacking mid) and in a couple of those the statistics around his defensive contributions were sky high - at one point he was the lead tackler in the premier league. Joniesta's never played as anything other than an attacking midfielder and whilst he's certainly tenacious, I don't think he has a defensive mindset at all. |
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