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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 16, 2016 10:20:30 GMT
I read here, but also know of at least two people that got Category 2 Slovakia and Russia tickets with only a Gold membership and home games - so just 3 points... No bumps up or down, just straightforward asked and got them... Yup I am aware of someone who was in this position so counts themselves very lucky Someone who has gone for years but only bought on the gate or a spare from a friend Could it be the ones who went for the Cat 2 were prioritised and any that were to be bumped up did so after? |
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 16, 2016 10:24:49 GMT
Right - discounting Nick's totals for now -this is the revised minimum points needed. Just one caveat - if two people were tied on points, then number of away matches was taken into account, so it is possible some people missed out on these totals. Category 4: All group matches - 20 points Category 3: Follow My Team - 20 points Category 3: Slovakia 11 points, England 9 points, Russia 20 points Category 2: Slovakia 8 points, England 9 points, Russia 8 points. Category 1: Slovakia 6 points, England 9 points, Russia 6 points. Two observations: - does the smaller capacity in Toulouse mean there were fewer category 3 tickets available for the Russsia game? A lot of people seem to have been bumped up. - category 4 vastly over subscribed for England match - but not so category 3?! Using this as a rough guide it could make sense why a potential high points scorer (2 X gold, 2 X TT) missed out on Cat 4 and/or FYT especially if any bumping up was done after the next category had been issued. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 16, 2016 10:46:41 GMT
I am curious,
Are there fans out there that had more than 3 points and specifically applied for category 2 tickets for Slovakia and didn't get it?
If they did actually get any other ticket (quarter-final, semi etc) this will make a mockery of our loyalty system.
Obviously, if they received no tickets at all, that could have always simply been a voided application (either registration error or card problem).
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 16, 2016 10:52:10 GMT
I am curious, Are there fans out there that had more than 3 points and specifically applied for category 2 tickets for Slovakia and didn't get it? If they did actually get any other ticket (quarter-final, semi etc) this will make a mockery of our loyalty system. Obviously, if they received no tickets at all, that could have always simply been a voided application (either registration error or card problem). Not necessarily a mockery of the system but how UEFA applied it? They still could have potentially been successfull for the conditional tickets if number of applicants was low. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 16, 2016 10:58:33 GMT
Correction accepted.
But getting a conditional ticket would indicate that there is totally no excuse for not getting a Slovakia ticket at least, as all applicants with more than 3 loyalty points should have at least got Slovakia game if applying in category 2.
Yes, it does look like people applying in higher categories were only bumped up after the existing applicants for that higher category were first fulfilled. Example being Russia category 3 applicants
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 16, 2016 11:01:50 GMT
Correction accepted. But getting a conditional ticket would indicate that there is totally no excuse for not getting a Slovakia ticket at least, as all applicants with more than 3 loyalty points should have at least got Slovakia game if applying in category 2. Yes, it does look like people applying in higher categories were only bumped up after the existing applicants for that higher category were first fulfilled. Example being Russia category 3 applicants I agree there is something amiss but to me it points to one of 2 things: Individuals thinking they have more points than they actually have A UEFA cock up |
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Post by manulike on Feb 16, 2016 11:13:47 GMT
From news reports coming out of Belgium, it does look like UEFA have now officially apologised to the Belgian FA about "ignoring the Belgian FA loyalty system"
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 16, 2016 18:00:12 GMT
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Post by manulike on Feb 18, 2016 22:01:48 GMT
Belgian media still reporting "several hundred" and up to "a few thousand" more tickets will be made available for their games due to the UEFA balls up... Now, also the Northern Irish get yet another 600 tickets after the initial extra 1,300 www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35602784I love the diplomacy of the IFA saying there was "quite a small, inadvertent error by UEFA", where as the Belgian FA stated categorically that UEFA "totally ignored [our loyalty] system" ... Come on FAW! |
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Post by Jamie-Bins on Feb 18, 2016 23:52:08 GMT
Just seen the mighty Saes couldn't sell out their allocation for their opener, bless.
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 9, 2023 12:43:55 GMT
HI All Wales fans. I am dipping in from the Scotland forums just to check out how likely we are to get tickets for Euro 2024 Finals. You guys have the most recent experience of a similar situation in France 2016 (similar sized UK nation looking for tickets at stadiums with 7000-10000 allocation to Loyalty scheme members). I reckon manulike and cymroircarn wiil have good knowledge if their memories are good enough... My specific question is - do you know what percentage of loyal fans (i.e. Euro 2016 and WC 2014 Gold members) actually applied for tickets to the group games in 2016? Was it close to 100% or was it only, say, 30-40% pickup? I am about 16000 in the queue for the SSC Loyalty scheme with 9 points, but I will be screwed if all the members in fromt of me apply for tickets. Tnaks for any help - I hope the info in this forum will become useful for you again after the games against Turkey. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 9, 2023 16:09:14 GMT
HI All Wales fans. I am dipping in from the Scotland forums just to check out how likely we are to get tickets for Euro 2024 Finals. You guys have the most recent experience of a similar situation in France 2016 (similar sized UK nation looking for tickets at stadiums with 7000-10000 allocation to Loyalty scheme members). I reckon manulike and cymroircarn wiil have good knowledge if their memories are good enough... My specific question is - do you know what percentage of loyal fans (i.e. Euro 2016 and WC 2014 Gold members) actually applied for tickets to the group games in 2016? Was it close to 100% or was it only, say, 30-40% pickup? I am about 16000 in the queue for the SSC Loyalty scheme with 9 points, but I will be screwed if all the members in fromt of me apply for tickets. Tnaks for any help - I hope the info in this forum will become useful for you again after the games against Turkey. Those who were entitled got 2 tickets per match in 2016. That was a Uefa decision. I might be wrong but memory thinks about 5 - 6k through association membership entitlement. There were of course plenty available applying directly to UEFA. The grounds in Germany are a bit bigger so they will be more available. I think for the group stage was pretty much a 100%. It tailed off a bit after that. |
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 9, 2023 17:26:56 GMT
Those who were entitled got 2 tickets per match in 2016.
So - there were, for instance, 12,000 members applying for all three group games with an allocation of 8000 for each stadium so everyone was just allocated 2 random games out of the 3 applied for? Were super loyal fans with max loyalty points not p***ed off?
How much was the tail off from groups to last 16? There must be loads of people who can only take time off for a couple of weeks.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 9, 2023 17:54:05 GMT
Those who were entitled got 2 tickets per match in 2016. So - there were, for instance, 12,000 members applying for all three group games with an allocation of 8000 for each stadium so everyone was just allocated 2 random games out of the 3 applied for? Were super loyal fans with max loyalty points not p***ed off? How much was the tail off from groups to last 16? There must be loads of people who can only take time off for a couple of weeks. Yes, but in 2016 we were new to the party and most sort of accepted their place in the queue, not to say there wasn't any complaining. It was actually worse then, as our Loyalty scheme pretty much began and ended with those who bought tickets to away games. In the end most / a lot of people got tickets for the group games anyway. But we're half the size of Scotland, it sure to raise some grief for you lot. I'm sure we were allowed 2 each in 2020 / 21 as well although for us, being Baku mainly, it hardly mattered. We could have had 200 each after the Pandemic. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 9, 2023 23:24:56 GMT
tartanarmylurkerHave the SFA given breakdowns of how many fans are on different amount of points? UEFA usually give each country approx 16% of the stadium capacity. I think most the stadiums in Germany are about 48k? So probably about 7.5k tickets on average. There’s also the 2 per eligible person rule, not everybody takes 2 tickets. I would think your best bet will be to apply for tickets in the ballot after the final tournament draw is done. For the knockout games, you’ll most likely get tickets as most people just do the three groups. I’ve always gone for all group games, the round of 16 and final (just incase and we nearly made it!) and got those, plus the semi for 2020. All get refunded pretty quickly.
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 10, 2023 12:14:40 GMT
tartanarmylurker Have the SFA given breakdowns of how many fans are on different amount of points? has the info. Speculation is that 12+ points will guarantee tickets for all 3 group games. The SSC Scheme only assigns tickets to SSC members (i.e. 1 ticket per member). I am suprised the Wales gives 2 tickets to each member - this must really annoy Wales loyalty members that miss out? |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 10, 2023 12:32:44 GMT
tartanarmylurker Have the SFA given breakdowns of how many fans are on different amount of points? has the info. Speculation is that 12+ points will guarantee tickets for all 3 group games. The SSC Scheme only assigns tickets to SSC members (i.e. 1 ticket per member). I am suprised the Wales gives 2 tickets to each member - this must really annoy Wales loyalty members that miss out? That doesn't come from the Welsh FA. That's down to UEFA so I assume it will apply to yourselves as well. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 10, 2023 13:06:56 GMT
tartanarmylurker Have the SFA given breakdowns of how many fans are on different amount of points? has the info. Speculation is that 12+ points will guarantee tickets for all 3 group games. The SSC Scheme only assigns tickets to SSC members (i.e. 1 ticket per member). I am suprised the Wales gives 2 tickets to each member - this must really annoy Wales loyalty members that miss out? As pointed out below by Epping blue, it’s a UEFA thing. FIFA was just 1 per person at the World Cup. Even though it’s 2 not everybody takes 2, and quite often 1 person will just buy for another who is quite high up anyway. |
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Post by sleepy on Nov 10, 2023 13:09:34 GMT
SSC Loyalty Points has the info. Speculation is that 12+ points will guarantee tickets for all 3 group games. The SSC Scheme only assigns tickets to SSC members (i.e. 1 ticket per member). I am suprised the Wales gives 2 tickets to each member - this must really annoy Wales loyalty members that miss out? That doesn't come from the Welsh FA. That's down to UEFA so I assume it will apply to yourselves as well. Here's what I remember, hope it helps In 2016, the FAW allocated a number of points for home season tickets and away games, but there were never any guarantees given on who would get tickets. The application was done via the UEFA portal, and each game had 4 price categories. You had to apply for a specific price category for each game, and could check a box to agree to move up or down a price category. The initial phase of the portal closed a few weeks after the draw, but it wasn't until February that we found out if we had tickets or not when the transaction hit our credit cards. The categories for the group games were: 25Euro 55Euro 105Euro 145?Euro I had a home season ticket and 2 aways, which I guess was pretty high up the list but I had missed out a ticket for the Bosnia away game (top 800), but I'd say I was about 1500th in the priority list. So hedging my bets, I went for 2x 55 Euro for the opening game v Slovakia, and 2x 105 Euro for England, checking the move up/down box. I ended up getting what I'd ordered, i.e. 55 Euro for Slovakia and 105 Euro for England. I do wonder if I'd gone for the 25 Euro tickets if I'd have got them or missed out? I had travel booked so didn't want to risk it, I imagine some people will have missed out if they selected the "wrong" categories. For the last 16, QF, and Final I opted for 1x ticket in the cheapest category and got those too. 45 Euro for the QF v Belgium, bargain of the century! I didn't go to Toulouse for Russia or buy for the SF. You could share an application number with friends to be allocated seats together, this worked for all the games I tried it for. Under 18s couldn't apply, I believe the 2 tickets per member rule was something to do with that. Also, I mentioned no guarantees. If for some reason your credit card rejected the purchase in Feb when UEFA were processing it, you were screwed. No chance to try again, no tickets. This happened to my brother, fortunately he was only trying for the England game and had my spare ticket. |
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 10, 2023 13:23:35 GMT
Thanks for the info. SSC have a "Friends and Family" option that lets you buy tickets for other members of the SSC Loyalty schme , but it sounds like the UEFA Portal wouldn't take that into account. So it sounds like to be absolutely guaranteed a ticket for a game you have to half the seating allocation for the game. So 16% goes to 8%  FYI here is how the SSC scheme works - attending every home game along with historical membership gives 12 pts which is between 12,000 and 16,000 in the queue: How the loyalty points system works? • One point is awarded for every home match attended by a member, as long as your ticket was purchased online or by phone, in advance of matchday • Two points are awarded for every away match attended • One point will be awarded for renewing members, who renew before 31 January 2023 • One point will be awarded for everyone who has been a member for the previous three campaigns, who renew before 31 January 2023 (Members must have bought the 2016-17, 2018-19 and 2020-22 campaigns) Loyalty points gained through attending home matches will drop off after 10 home matches. Loyalty points gained through attending away matches will also drop off after 10 away matches. |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 10, 2023 13:56:54 GMT
Thanks for the info. SSC have a "Friends and Family" option that lets you buy tickets for other members of the SSC Loyalty schme , but it sounds like the UEFA Portal wouldn't take that into account. So it sounds like to be absolutely guaranteed a ticket for a game you have to half the seating allocation for the game. So 16% goes to 8% FYI here is how the SSC scheme works - attending every home game along with historical membership gives 12 pts which is between 12,000 and 16,000 in the queue: How the loyalty points system works? • One point is awarded for every home match attended by a member, as long as your ticket was purchased online or by phone, in advance of matchday • Two points are awarded for every away match attended • One point will be awarded for renewing members, who renew before 31 January 2023 • One point will be awarded for everyone who has been a member for the previous three campaigns, who renew before 31 January 2023 (Members must have bought the 2016-17, 2018-19 and 2020-22 campaigns) Loyalty points gained through attending home matches will drop off after 10 home matches. Loyalty points gained through attending away matches will also drop off after 10 away matches. Our scheme gives no allocation of points for the attendance of individual home games. You have 5 points for your tournament ticket or nothing at all. |
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 10, 2023 17:21:31 GMT
Even though it’s 2 not everybody takes 2, and quite often 1 person will just buy for another who is quite high up anyway. So would members apply for a set of 2 tickets using their name, then also be the second named person on someone else's application? What happened if both applications were successful? |
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Post by eppingblue1 on Nov 10, 2023 17:47:34 GMT
Even though it’s 2 not everybody takes 2, and quite often 1 person will just buy for another who is quite high up anyway. So would members apply for a set of 2 tickets using their name, then also be the second named person on someone else's application? What happened if both applications were successful? You'll become very popular. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 11, 2023 0:36:20 GMT
Even though it’s 2 not everybody takes 2, and quite often 1 person will just buy for another who is quite high up anyway. So would members apply for a set of 2 tickets using their name, then also be the second named person on someone else's application? What happened if both applications were successful? They sold the tickets differently for EURO 2020. We got our codes to access the FAW allocated tickets on UEFA’s portal at times when members became eligible, entered them in, got access and bought the tickets there and then, and could buy up to 2 per member. The second person is a guest but you have to specify a name, however it can be changed later on, but the lead applicant can only use the first ticket. The tickets went on sale the week after the final draw in December 2019. I would think the same will happen for EURO 2024. It was a better system than the ballot for 2016. No waiting around. FIFA employed the same system for last year’s World Cup. For both UEFA and FIFA the codes aren’t linked to an email, so somebody can pass them on if they don’t require the code to buy tickets. |
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 11, 2023 22:52:25 GMT
Thabks for the Euro 2020 info jbt95 . Did applying for the more expensive categories make it more likely you would get tickets in 2020? |
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Post by superunknown on Nov 11, 2023 23:42:08 GMT
Thabks for the Euro 2020 info jbt95 . Did applying for the more expensive categories make it more likely you would get tickets in 2020? Someone will correct me if I’m wrong but I recall it being in stages. So for example Stage 1 obviously gets first pick and they’d have a choice of the cheaper Follow My Team tickets or cheaper group game tickets etc. So the lower down the stages you go the less likely the cheaper tickets will be available. Forgot what stage I was in but I presume I was Stage 1 as I got Category 3 (the cheapest) Follow My Team tickets to the final. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 12, 2023 8:14:51 GMT
Thabks for the Euro 2020 info jbt95 . Did applying for the more expensive categories make it more likely you would get tickets in 2020? 2020 there was no applying. Just logged in and it showed availability. I think I was stage 2 so everything was available. However, you have to remember 2 of our 3 games were in Baku. |
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Post by cymru58 on Nov 12, 2023 15:19:53 GMT
To those interested, I found the following that was distributed at the time. 29 November 2019 LATEST UEFA EURO 2020 TICKETING INFORMATION The following information has been released with regards to the purchasing of tickets for UEFA EURO 2020. Who Can Apply For Tickets? Tickets for the UEFA Euro 2020 tournament will only be available through UEFA's dedicated ticketing website www.euro2020.com/tickets, with the Wales Fans Portal only open to 2018-20 Red Wall members. The portal will be opening early December. Please note UEFA will only allow fans age 18 and over to purchase tickets. Eligible members will receive an access code from FAW and this will be needed in order to enter the application process on the Wales Fans Portal. The codes are unique to each member and will be sent by email over a two week period. The release of access codes will be staggered over 9 stages, in line with the FAW loyalty system. Please note, anyone who was not a Red Wall member for the 2018-20 period can only apply during the general public sales window through www.euro2020.com/tickets. Where Can I Apply For Tickets? Through the Wales Fans Portal on www.euro2020.com/tickets. Tickets will be sold on a first come first served basis and there is a maximum of 2 tickets per Red Wall member. Access codes are valid for one use only. How Many Tickets Can I Apply For? Each application is limited to 2 tickets, so any Red Wall member may apply for up to 2. |
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Post by tartanarmylurker on Nov 13, 2023 9:08:19 GMT
Do the FAW have a table showing you how many members there are at each level like in the following link at the bottom? SSC Loyalty Points
There are 38000 members in SSC scheme - I think that is a cap. |
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Post by superunknown on Nov 13, 2023 9:49:07 GMT
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